Carlisle faces undeniable fate, one t...

Carlisle faces undeniable fate, one that he doesn't deserve

There are 99 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Apr 19, 2007, titled Carlisle faces undeniable fate, one that he doesn't deserve. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Rick Carlisle knew. How could he not know? As he stood in the hallway outside Indiana's locker room, chatting before the franchise's most meaningless regular-season finale in years, the Pacers coach shrugged ...

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Playa

Indianapolis, IN

#1 Apr 19, 2007
Carlisles not only issue, Bird put the mess on the floor and guess what? the seats are empty!
Cant stand Playa

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Apr 19, 2007
But his right, Larry should go to.
special ed

Covington, KY

#3 Apr 19, 2007
C'mon, Bob. Enough with the pity party for poor old Rick. The guy has shown a penchant for NEVER playing young guys and sticking with the old vets. You know, we were warned about that from the Piston fans. Michael Curry over Tayshaun Prince?
And the next time Rick deviates from the norm, goes against the grain and comes up with something imaginative, will be the first. Call timeout to call the inevitable dump the ball to JO and stand around and watch? Surprising that Artest wanted out of that plan!
Yes, there are a myriad of problems here but the fun seems to suck away when Rick sticks around. It's a GAME; ask Joe Dumars.

Since: Apr 07

United States

#4 Apr 19, 2007
It's real simple...Rick takes the fall for a team that has to many chiefs and no indians.

SPM

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, Indiana

#5 Apr 19, 2007
While I don't think he was the start of the problem. Carlisle is part of the problem. Bird and the front office brought in the wrong types of players (personallity wise) and Carlisle could not control them. Since the head coach is suppose to be in control of his players (on and off the court) he is part of the problem. Bird should also go as he is part of the problem. It was when he (Bird) went into front office and began making decision that these types of uncontrolable players arrived. Walsh was bringing in players with behavior that was appropriate, and could be coached, before hand. Bird along with Carlisle should be shown the door. Walsh, needs to run the show again and rebuild this franchise.
Playa

Indianapolis, IN

#6 Apr 19, 2007
special ed wrote:
C'mon, Bob. Enough with the pity party for poor old Rick. The guy has shown a penchant for NEVER playing young guys and sticking with the old vets. You know, we were warned about that from the Piston fans. Michael Curry over Tayshaun Prince?
And the next time Rick deviates from the norm, goes against the grain and comes up with something imaginative, will be the first. Call timeout to call the inevitable dump the ball to JO and stand around and watch? Surprising that Artest wanted out of that plan!
Yes, there are a myriad of problems here but the fun seems to suck away when Rick sticks around. It's a GAME; ask Joe Dumars.
I thank God someone see whats happen to Pacer basketball. Bird gave his boy a Fat$$$$$$ to coach here the same way he did in Motown
Gary Atkinson

Bloomington, IN

#7 Apr 19, 2007
Carlisle has to be fired. There can't be this much going on without him being part of the problem. The team either does not respect him,he doesn't hold them accountable to a high enogh standard, leadership or spmething he lacks has some contribution to the class act they use to be. Carlisle treating players different and having favorites is a good place to start.
Larry Bird must go also, I hope he will step down on his own.
Tokin42

Union, KY

#8 Apr 19, 2007
Carlisle and Bird both need to go. Walsh should be given his choice, stay and fix this mess or retire now so the Simons can bring someone in who wants the job.
Flame Thrower 2

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Apr 19, 2007
If Carlisle or Bird stays, I and a host of others will not support the Pacers in any way. Carlisle couldn't coach in Detroit and should not be a coach in the NCAA, let along the NBA! Bird has know clue of management or recognizing talent. He should go back to French Lick and drive tractors. This Despicable Dynamic Duo (Bird and Carlisle) has Destroyed Pacer Basketball...And Walsh should go as well...

You can count on the seats being empty and $$$$ will be lost, hopeful the Billionaires (Simons of Course)will get the idea..
Wbsh

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Apr 19, 2007
Oh so true Bob

Rick good job and good luck.
Greenfield Resident

United States

#11 Apr 19, 2007
The Pacers have not had a winning attitude for many years---is this the coach, owners, players or ????

The incidents "off the playing floor" has gotten the pacers much bad press and that just rubs off
and lingers for a long time

It is not the coaches job to babysit these Prima Donas when they are off the playing field-if they have a bad attitude---get rid of them---same as any employer would do

The NBA needs to get tuff ( as the NFL is starting to do)with standards on and off the playing surface

Play hard with a winning attitude
will help the team and make any coach look good
Curious

United States

#12 Apr 19, 2007
Flame Thrower 2 wrote:
If Carlisle or Bird stays, I and a host of others will not support the Pacers in any way. Carlisle couldn't coach in Detroit and should not be a coach in the NCAA, let along the NBA! Bird has know clue of management or recognizing talent. He should go back to French Lick and drive tractors. This Despicable Dynamic Duo (Bird and Carlisle) has Destroyed Pacer Basketball...And Walsh should go as well...
You can count on the seats being empty and $$$$ will be lost, hopeful the Billionaires (Simons of Course)will get the idea..
It is a sad fact that in any industry
you just cannot take a very good "player" and make them into a management person------it just doesn't work---and sports is no different

Boils down to the wrong person in the wrong posotion, but with the right intention---usually results in disaster
timkav69

Frankfort, IN

#13 Apr 19, 2007
I believe that, given time, Larry Legend could build a record as a team GM/Pres equal to that of Elgin Baylor with the Clippers.

Since: Jan 07

Noblesville

#14 Apr 19, 2007
The problem is not just with the Pacers, but with the entire leaugue! You have a bunch of high $$$$ thugs who do not know how to act now tha tthey have some money. It is as though they revert back to their childhood and think rules no longer apply to them. As my wife likes to say; "the Cubs are lovable losers, the Pacers are just losers."
bing55

United States

#15 Apr 19, 2007
Bob you forgot a few things. First do you really think that Rick was not part of the decisions that were made in the trades? He surely was, and then how about starting out the year ASKING S Jack and Oneal How they felt about his returning? How can one lead when you are asking permission form the ones that are to follow? Plus his game decisions/play calling were bad and he would have be just as bad with 5 starting all-stars.
You are wrong Bob to say it is not his fault - He is every bit as much to blame as anyone else.
Skeeter

Indianapolis, IN

#16 Apr 19, 2007
timkav69 wrote:
I believe that, given time, Larry Legend could build a record as a team GM/Pres equal to that of Elgin Baylor with the Clippers.
Bird can't even spell team or GM/PRES since he hooked up with Walsh...He's not equipped to deal with recognizing talent or making appropriate trades..he needs to go back to French Lick and shoot ducks..
Reggie for Coach

Cincinnati, OH

#17 Apr 19, 2007
That's a horrible and unrealistic idea, Bob!
sick of larry bird

Evansville, IN

#18 Apr 19, 2007
here is a better idea.Somebody wake the simons up and fire bird also,he has done nothing for the pacers since he came back,except make the whole team and front office look like thugs and idiots.
Jim

Bloomington, IN

#19 Apr 19, 2007
Carlisle is not the only problem. Donnie and Larry should be fired also. Who trated for all this terrible players. Bird and walsh and I hope the Simons take control of the team and get this mess fixed.
pacemaker

Indianapolis, IN

#20 Apr 19, 2007
i am pretty sure this actually all falls back on austin crosheres kevin garnett like salary.

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