Rest helps O'Neal, team

Rest helps O'Neal, team

There are 33 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Dec 5, 2007, titled Rest helps O'Neal, team. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Indiana Pacers forward Jermaine O'Neal knew something had to be done to relieve his ailing knee and calf.

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Lee

Indianapolis, IN

#1 Dec 6, 2007
I think it is time JO "rests" on another team's roster.
Go Pacers

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Dec 6, 2007
Lee wrote:
I think it is time JO "rests" on another team's roster.
Yeah...because guys who can put up 30pts and 11 boards against Phoenix are a dime a dozen.
supercolts

Danville, IN

#3 Dec 6, 2007
Coach Obrien is the best thing that has happened to this franchise in 3 years. I think he is a very smart coach and is very good with dealing with his players. If the pacers can get it all together, they can beat anyone on any given night.
Adam

Bloomington, IN

#4 Dec 6, 2007
Whoa, I was right. I was being sarcastic in the other thread when I said Murphy was put on the TSP List before the game (Too Slow to Play list).
late date

Pryor, OK

#5 Dec 6, 2007
If we can get an interior defender, shot blocker, proven scorer and rebounder who is under age 30 in a trade for JO, great. But I don't know of too many teams that are stupid enough to trade such a valuable player.
BSU Fan

Fishers, IN

#6 Dec 6, 2007
Andrew Bynum made O'Neal look less that mediocre in the last Lakers game. There was an article I read somewhere on how a 20 year old shut down the +great+ O'Neal. And how Koby had told the kid all the +secrets+ to O'Neals game. It was a great coaching decision to sit O'Neal. Maybe they should let him rest for another month, then let him play a few games before the trade deadline and see if we can get any takers?
who knows

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Dec 6, 2007
Indiana Pacers forward Jermaine O'Neal knew something had to be done to relieve his ailing knee and calf.

And what is the likelyhood of this happening again? Unfortunately from a health stand point I am sure it is high. He is more than likely going to be a revolving door of knee plagued injuries.
whatever

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Dec 6, 2007
Go Pacers wrote:
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Yeah...because guys who can put up 30pts and 11 boards against Phoenix are a dime a dozen.
yeah and they still lost w/ him!

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Since: Jul 07

Speedway, Indiana

#9 Dec 6, 2007
Go Pacers wrote:
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Yeah...because guys who can put up 30pts and 11 boards against Phoenix are a dime a dozen.
I was at the Phoenix game. What everyone does not realize is that JO is the last player up court, while his guy, Amarie Stoudamire, is leading the break and dunking. To truly evaluate JO, you need to watch him off the ball and see what he does. He scored and rebounded well but his Amarie, who he was supposed to be checking, scored 40+ and JO only waived at him as he went by. That is the problem. JO does not fit the up tempo style the Pacers want to play. He's a banger and post up player. By the way, David Harrison played SUPER until his brain slipped out of gear and he got the technical. Some things never change.
JBT

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Dec 6, 2007
The Pacers are playing team basketball again for the first time in a long time,Jermaine needs to become part of this system and concede to the idea that this squad no longer revolves around him and his antics.If he gets on board with the team basketball concept he can be a crucial factor in our(the Pacers)success.If he doesn't and the team suffers...? Time to move on.
Colt45

United States

#11 Dec 6, 2007
late date wrote:
If we can get an interior defender, shot blocker, proven scorer and rebounder who is under age 30 in a trade for JO, great. But I don't know of too many teams that are stupid enough to trade such a valuable player.
For example?
Other than Dwight Howard, I'm not sure that there is another player in the league that fits the description you gave. Obviously, Howard is "untouchable" when it comes to trades...
Dungy ball

Cincinnati, OH

#12 Dec 6, 2007
supercolts wrote:
Coach Obrien is the best thing that has happened to this franchise in 3 years. I think he is a very smart coach and is very good with dealing with his players. If the pacers can get it all together, they can beat anyone on any given night.
YES...THAT IS CORRECT SIR.
JimmyThe Greek

Orlando, FL

#13 Dec 6, 2007
SWT-500 wrote:
<quoted text>I was at the Phoenix game. What everyone does not realize is that JO is the last player up court, while his guy, Amarie Stoudamire, is leading the break and dunking. To truly evaluate JO, you need to watch him off the ball and see what he does. He scored and rebounded well but his Amarie, who he was supposed to be checking, scored 40+ and JO only waived at him as he went by. That is the problem. JO does not fit the up tempo style the Pacers want to play. He's a banger and post up player. By the way, David Harrison played SUPER until his brain slipped out of gear and he got the technical. Some things never change.
If JO can't keep up with Amare he's in for a long night Friday against Howard. I wish him well but he needs to get lots of rest.
James

Greencastle, IN

#14 Dec 6, 2007
SWT-500 might have a point. I only watch the games on TV and that doesn't show that J.O. doesn't get back on defense quickly enough. His rebounding, points, and blocks have been good. If he can improve his defense and fit into O'Brien's game, there is no need to trade him (unless his knee is going to be an ongoing problem).
Louisville Pacers

Louisville, KY

#15 Dec 6, 2007
I just read the Forbes report where Revenue for the Pacers went from $108 Million in 05 to only $110 Million in 06. This resulted in an operating loss of $12.5 Million vs $9 Million profit in 05.

Looks like the fans were successful in boycotting the team last year. If the fans continue to stay away, this will continue to force the owners to change this team, and put a competitive product on the floor.
Hoosier Hacker

Carmel, IN

#16 Dec 6, 2007
BSU Fan wrote:
Andrew Bynum made O'Neal look less that mediocre in the last Lakers game. There was an article I read somewhere on how a 20 year old shut down the +great+ O'Neal. And how Koby had told the kid all the +secrets+ to O'Neals game. It was a great coaching decision to sit O'Neal. Maybe they should let him rest for another month, then let him play a few games before the trade deadline and see if we can get any takers?
The difference? How many big games has Bynum had before or since that game? How many has O'Neal had? Hey, one time Jeff Hornacek went off on us, did that elevate him over Reggie? Any trade that involves moving O'Neal (either directly or in a 3-way trade) and getting back Bynum would be fraught with danger. We've heard and seen it before with young guys with "Tremendous Upside Potential". Jonathan Bender, anyone? Regardless of how frustrated you might feel about O'Neal's health issues off and on, he is easily far superior than Bynum and we'd be taking a big step backward in pulling the trigger on any rash move like that.

The Phoenix game, in particular, showed what a healthy O'Neal can do in O'Brien's up-tempo offense. The offense flowed pretty well, I thought, and Jermaine still got his low-post looks and produced.

I think we need to hold off on making any moves right now, and let this season develop. We're still a few players away from being a contender, but we can still make some noise in the East at the end of the season. It would be stupid to chuck that all and fall back even further in the pack than we were last year.
Hoosier Hacker

Carmel, IN

#17 Dec 6, 2007
whatever wrote:
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yeah and they still lost w/ him!
Der, ok genius, how much would they have lost by to an elite team like Phoenix WITHOUT Jermaine? 30 points, 11 rebounds, and 2-3 blocked shots are still 30 points, 11 rebounds, and 2-3 blocked shots. They lost in the last minute on two empty possessions; ones that involved misses from Tinsley and Dunleavy. They both played pretty well, but if you're going to assign "blame" for the loss, that's kind of where you should start.

What kind of magic do you think would've happened against the Suns on the court if they just sat JO? Would Harrison pick up the slack? Foster?
BSU Fan

Fishers, IN

#18 Dec 6, 2007
Hoosier Hacker wrote:
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The difference? How many big games has Bynum had before or since that game? How many has O'Neal had? Hey, one time Jeff Hornacek went off on us, did that elevate him over Reggie? Any trade that involves moving O'Neal (either directly or in a 3-way trade) and getting back Bynum would be fraught with danger. We've heard and seen it before with young guys with "Tremendous Upside Potential". Jonathan Bender, anyone? Regardless of how frustrated you might feel about O'Neal's health issues off and on, he is easily far superior than Bynum and we'd be taking a big step backward in pulling the trigger on any rash move like that.
The Phoenix game, in particular, showed what a healthy O'Neal can do in O'Brien's up-tempo offense. The offense flowed pretty well, I thought, and Jermaine still got his low-post looks and produced.
I think we need to hold off on making any moves right now, and let this season develop. We're still a few players away from being a contender, but we can still make some noise in the East at the end of the season. It would be stupid to chuck that all and fall back even further in the pack than we were last year.
I agree that a "healthy" JO is superior to Bynum any day. The problem is that JO hasn't been healthy consistently. With that being said, let's look at the facts so far this season.

O'Neal will make 19.7 million this year. In 13 games he is averaging 14.9 points, 8 rebounds and has 4 double doubles (2 in the last games).

Bynum will make 2.1 million this year. In 18 games he is averaging 10 point, 10 rebounds and has 9 double doubles.

JO said he was 100% healthy coming into this season. Let's face the facts he is past his prime, and he never reached his potential. On a few rare, healthy, nights he can put up 30 points and 15 boards. I never brought up trading for Bynum specifically. I was just saying a twenty year old kid shut him down.
Troll

Greenfield, IN

#19 Dec 6, 2007
To quote Charles Barkley:

"There are guys that can get you 20 and 10 in prison..."

Until JO can avergae that for a season, I will have to agree with the original poster.
Go Pacers wrote:
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Yeah...because guys who can put up 30pts and 11 boards against Phoenix are a dime a dozen.
rick

United States

#20 Dec 6, 2007
SWT-500 wrote:
<quoted text>I was at the Phoenix game. What everyone does not realize is that JO is the last player up court, while his guy, Amarie Stoudamire, is leading the break and dunking. To truly evaluate JO, you need to watch him off the ball and see what he does. He scored and rebounded well but his Amarie, who he was supposed to be checking, scored 40+ and JO only waived at him as he went by. That is the problem. JO does not fit the up tempo style the Pacers want to play. He's a banger and post up player. By the way, David Harrison played SUPER until his brain slipped out of gear and he got the technical. Some things never change.
Speaking of the technical on David Harrison, he got the technical just for asking the ref what he did. He just ASKED "What did I do?" and got the technical!! Boy, he continues to get a raw deal from the refs in the NBA. They kept showing the replay where he was called for that "foul" (another phantom foul). He did absolutely nothing to get that call, if anything it was his defender that had his hand on Harrison coming up the court! What gives with all these stupid foul calls against Harrison and what gives, have these officials been asked by Stern or whoever to call fouls on him for no reason whatsoever. The team needs to lodge a serious complant with the league office. Those 3 points on that crappy call alone gave Phoenix all the margin they needed for the win.(That wasn't the only bad call in the game, and Phoenix sure doesn't need the help!) I'll bet it is really frustrating for David Harrison to get a break in this league right now. How does Coach O'Brien not lose his mind over this and get technicals or ejections. It's like they're out to get Harrison for some reason(!?!).Does anybody know what's gong on here?

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