Spurs rout sagging Bulls

Spurs rout sagging Bulls

There are 21 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Mar 20, 2008, titled Spurs rout sagging Bulls. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Tony Parker scored 23 points and Tim Duncan had 22 to go with 10 rebounds Thursday night as the San Antonio Spurs ended a four-game losing streak with a 102-80 rout of the Bulls.

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no plan

United States

#1 Mar 20, 2008
When will the bulls play and develope their young players for next year? What's the point of trying to get into the playoffs this year when clearly you can't go very far? Oh, I get it, the coach and gm are trying to save their jobs, not build a contender. I guess they and we fans are happy with blue collar work effords, so we get gooden, wallace and deng. Great character, no winners.
Mack the knife

Beirut, Lebanon

#2 Mar 20, 2008
This shows up the biggest problem the Bulls have(coach notwithstanding): Inner presence, Noah with all his enthusiasm just doesn't measure up, and the point guard position. Those are the two issues(plus coach) which must be addressed this summer. Otherwise this is a solid young team that can really compete next year. PLEASE FORGET TRYING TO GET TO THE PLAYOFFS, PLAY THE YOUNGSTERS!!!!
Creighton

Evanston, IL

#3 Mar 20, 2008
What solid young team are you looking at, there is not a shooter in the Bunch. There is no point guard, no center, there small forward is a jump shooter with no athletic abilty. Thabo has length,b but can't shoot or handel the ball, Kirk is a tweener joke, he can't shoot or handel the ball. Gordon is a specialist but got destroyed and abused by Parker, Nocioni is 28 and a bench player, Gooden looks to be the only Legit player on this team and he is nothing special. The Sixers and Hawks are younger and better than the bulls and they suck.

What has this team shown that has anyone talking about a good young team. There a jump shooting team that can't shoot. They have no guts, no talent, no heart. Man if they where playin in the West they would be right above the Sonics and Wolves. They rank 30th in field goal percantage, 19th in points per game, they have a loosing record at home. Young core my eye, this core is rotten. They are lousy group of quitters. It doesn't matter who they start they all suck. Someone needs to show me some proof that anyone on this team is anything other than a role player at best.
Cal ChiFan

Tustin, CA

#4 Mar 21, 2008
Once, I believed Paxson had somewhat of a plan by leaving Boylan in there as coach. That way, when the season tanked, he couldn't be accused of raising the white flag like the Sox of '97. But this is becoming ridiculous. If the young players don't start playing, you're gonna have the same problems next year. The playoffs are a long shot at best. And why get in to get spanked by Boston. Deng and those guys already took the year off. Let them all go home and start playing the young guys.
Chad

Schaumburg, IL

#5 Mar 21, 2008
Yeah they really need a center that is not soft as deng. Noah and Gray are soft as silk. Gordon gets abused more than a choir boy and I don't know what happen to Heiny. Thabo has really shown a ton of improvement since the begining of the season and they HAVE to start giving Tyrus playing time.

They have major personel issues and a GM with a history of bad decissions. Not a good combo. Next year isn't looking pretty especially with the odds that everyone returns is high since Paxson is love with his draft choices.
Chad

Schaumburg, IL

#6 Mar 21, 2008
Paxson has no plan and if he does then he is retarded and that is why noone can figure it out. I found out he has no plan when they drafted Tyrus and he said that if Noah had came out he would have taken him there at number 2. Noah who is widely considered Tyson Chandler with less potential. Is this not the same GM that gave Tyson away for nothing? If you don't follow the logic it is okay cause neither do I!

Now Chandler wouldn't have reached the same level here as he has but he would have about the same stats with less scoring. And was ten years younger and 5 million per year less than Big Bust. The reason Chandler and Curry were gone so fast and for so little is Paxson came in with an agenda to get rid of everyone that weren't his guys and now he doesn't want to lose any of his guys???
Cal ChiFan

Torrance, CA

#7 Mar 21, 2008
Chad wrote:
Yeah they really need a center that is not soft as deng. Noah and Gray are soft as silk. Gordon gets abused more than a choir boy and I don't know what happen to Heiny. Thabo has really shown a ton of improvement since the begining of the season and they HAVE to start giving Tyrus playing time.
They have major personel issues and a GM with a history of bad decissions. Not a good combo. Next year isn't looking pretty especially with the odds that everyone returns is high since Paxson is love with his draft choices.
Chad, good post. IMHO the starting five should be Gooden, Hughes, Sefalosha, Thomas (@ SF), and Noah. With Gray getting significant minutes as well as Shannon Brown. Brown was a force a MSU. Not sure why he isn't playing now but he should be. You gotta find out what these guys can do. Let Deng, Gordon, Heinrich and Nocioni go home. They never showed up anyway.
Anti Wilt The Stilt

AOL

#8 Mar 21, 2008
JOHN PAXON....thats the problem in simple....plain terms.....i say no more
George McGinnis

Bloomingdale, IL

#9 Mar 21, 2008
Chad wrote:
Paxson has no plan and if he does then he is retarded and that is why noone can figure it out. I found out he has no plan when they drafted Tyrus and he said that if Noah had came out he would have taken him there at number 2. Noah who is widely considered Tyson Chandler with less potential. Is this not the same GM that gave Tyson away for nothing? If you don't follow the logic it is okay cause neither do I!
Now Chandler wouldn't have reached the same level here as he has but he would have about the same stats with less scoring. And was ten years younger and 5 million per year less than Big Bust. The reason Chandler and Curry were gone so fast and for so little is Paxson came in with an agenda to get rid of everyone that weren't his guys and now he doesn't want to lose any of his guys???
As usual Chad, you need some more "schoolin" in professional sports and NBA basketball Chicago style. You may not like Paxson, but let's not demonize the man because he did the right thing and got rid of Curry and Chandler. They both suffered from the same malady as many on the current Bulls roster: height but no skill or hops but no skill or height/hops but no toughness. Take your pick. Any center or forward that plays against Curry "abuses" him. Forget the low post moves; he couldn't improve over his high school days. He was a one-trick poney. Chandler: he was and is just another skinny, tall guy who's only a foot below the rim. Sure, he's going to make alley-oop dunks; who wouldn't if they were his height? But Tyson doesn't have an offensive game; he can't pass; and he over-compensates for his lack of other skills by yelling and thumping the chest. Now who does that remind you of? C'mon, young man, grow up. If Curry and Chandler were still on the Bulls, they would still be bottom-feeders. Most of the commentary on the Bulls young core is on point: they were probably over-rated from the get-go ... Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Nocioni. On the other hand, it was probably part of a plan that Paxson and Skiles were assembling a group of role players that followed a very systematic style of play to be able to play competitively until they could land one or two other key pieces that would have made that scenario for success more realistic. Unfortunately, the team folded and the plan imploded when the trade/contract talks emerged at the beginning of the season. Now, the experts who said at the time that the Bulls wouldn't get much in trade for their players look like geniuses; since they've played like crap all season, their trade value is even lower. Guys like Gordon, Deng, etc. have actually hurt their market value big time by coming completely unglued this season. They're not going to get the money Paxson offered last summer .. at least from the Bulls .. and they may even get a one-way ticket out of town. But ... please .. no more nonsense from you Chad about how the Bulls would have been challenging Detroit/Boston with Eddie and Tyson. Son ... you got to get rid of those beer goggle glasses.
stickaforkinit

Hinsdale, IL

#10 Mar 21, 2008
Boylan says that he didn't have the team ready to play? I wouldn't put that on the resume, Jim. What we have here is a bunch of players who flat out don't care anymore. The team needs to be gutted to get players who want to win and a coach who gets their respect and attention. The Bulls are seriously diseased and need a major transfusion.
Chad

Schaumburg, IL

#11 Mar 21, 2008
George McGinnis wrote:
<quoted text> As usual Chad, you need some more "schoolin" in professional sports and NBA basketball Chicago style. You may not like Paxson, but let's not demonize the man because he did the right thing and got rid of Curry and Chandler. They both suffered from the same malady as many on the current Bulls roster: height but no skill or hops but no skill or height/hops but no toughness. Take your pick. Any center or forward that plays against Curry "abuses" him. Forget the low post moves; he couldn't improve over his high school days. He was a one-trick poney. Chandler: he was and is just another skinny, tall guy who's only a foot below the rim. Sure, he's going to make alley-oop dunks; who wouldn't if they were his height? But Tyson doesn't have an offensive game; he can't pass; and he over-compensates for his lack of other skills by yelling and thumping the chest. Now who does that remind you of? C'mon, young man, grow up. If Curry and Chandler were still on the Bulls, they would still be bottom-feeders. Most of the commentary on the Bulls young core is on point: they were probably over-rated from the get-go ... Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Nocioni. On the other hand, it was probably part of a plan that Paxson and Skiles were assembling a group of role players that followed a very systematic style of play to be able to play competitively until they could land one or two other key pieces that would have made that scenario for success more realistic. Unfortunately, the team folded and the plan imploded when the trade/contract talks emerged at the beginning of the season. Now, the experts who said at the time that the Bulls wouldn't get much in trade for their players look like geniuses; since they've played like crap all season, their trade value is even lower. Guys like Gordon, Deng, etc. have actually hurt their market value big time by coming completely unglued this season. They're not going to get the money Paxson offered last summer .. at least from the Bulls .. and they may even get a one-way ticket out of town. But ... please .. no more nonsense from you Chad about how the Bulls would have been challenging Detroit/Boston with Eddie and Tyson. Son ... you got to get rid of those beer goggle glasses.
Did I say that with Curry and Chandler the bulls would be contenders? No! I said that Paxson came in with an agenda and drove both their values into the ground through poor coaching and playing time for chandler and publicly demanding curry take a medical test that he didn't want to. So he doesn't like them that is fine but to then a year or two later fall in love with a guy (Noah) who plays the same way but with less potential is mind boggling! It makes no sense... You say he has a plan I say he just keeps drafting players that fall to him and then falls in love with them.

Did you go to the Kevin McHale GM course or are you just so stupid that you believe everything Paxson says and does is perfect? The way he treated Eddy and the Tim Thomas situation were disgusting. No class.

And yes Curry and Chandler were the best frontcourt players we have had since we got rid of them. They had their flaws but their strengths complemented each others weaknesses. If you don't want them fine, but you have to be able to bring in something legit for 21 year old seven footers with upside! I mean the freaking wizards got Caron Butler for Kwame Brown! Paxson is over his head and you are nuts for believing the propaganda.
Homer Simpson

Addison, IL

#12 Mar 21, 2008
Cal ChiFan wrote:
<quoted text>Chad, good post. IMHO the starting five should be Gooden, Hughes, Sefalosha, Thomas (@ SF), and Noah. With Gray getting significant minutes as well as Shannon Brown. Brown was a force a MSU. Not sure why he isn't playing now but he should be. You gotta find out what these guys can do. Let Deng, Gordon, Heinrich and Nocioni go home. They never showed up anyway.
Tyrus Thomas getting playing time at the 3 would be a disaster. It takes him out of position to do the actual things he does well.
Creighton

Evanston, IL

#13 Mar 21, 2008
Actually Pax did get value for Curry and then of course he threw that value away.

My personal opinion on Tyson is he looks much better in New Orleans because he is playing with the best Point Guard in the NBA, he could always grab boards but now he has someone dishing him the ball right under the basket. Tyson looks better because of the team he is on, he also looks to have put some wait on so he is not getting pushed around in the low post anymore. He would not be as good on this team, he was always a high motor guy and very athletic, he still has no touch and small hands. It's Paul hooking him up.

I wonder what this team will look like at the end of the season? Deng and Gordon may not want to be here and some team will pony up some money for them as role players. Gooden looks to be trade bait, some team will want him for the playoffs.

Pax has been a bad GM and should probably go at the end of the season. I think he has seen Hoosiers one too many times. "So what if we don't have talent where gonna beat them on effort and game planning." Great movie, great story, horrible idea for an NBA team.
George McGinnis

Bloomingdale, IL

#14 Mar 21, 2008
Chad my friend, who said anything about Pax and "perfection". Clearly, the man had a plan and a coach who stood for something; draft/acquire players with character from top notch programs ... Duke, UConn, etc. Please, fellow, give Skiles/Pax their due at least for last year. Patterned, systematic, drive-kick-pass offense that produced open shots for someone when it worked, team defense, and good-stable rotations. It did work Chad last year; the Bulls almost won 50 games; they were the suprise success story in the NBA; every bozo on the tube called the Bulls play amazing; and they had good performances in the first round of the playoffs the last two years... blowing away Miami and almost Detroit. Don't give me your nonsense about Curry/Chandler; they sucked for the Bulls and they suck today... Chandler less so because of their PG. I would be tickled if Pax & Co. emulated either K. McHale or D. Ainge; they both are stellar and did what they needed to do for their respective franchises in moving the players. T-Wolves needed to move beyond the KG era and they're now rebuilding on youth; Danny put together a win-it-all now squad and mortgaged the future, and it's working. Plus, they're bud's and helped one another out; what's so wrong with that? Sounds to me like you got something against all NBA GMs. I think we can agree that much of the current Bulls roster is suspect and too many players are one-dimensional, just like Eddie and Tyson. We need change, and hope, and unity, and all need to believe in a better tomorrow for this team and their GM...LOL

“Isaiah 60:10”

Since: Nov 07

Drake CO

#15 Mar 21, 2008
Trade Noah...things will improve immediately.

Since: Jan 08

Los Angeles, CA

#16 Mar 21, 2008
Go Lakers!
Homer Simpson

Addison, IL

#17 Mar 22, 2008
The 5th Angel wrote:
Trade Noah...things will improve immediately.
Noah surely has hit a bit of a rookie wall over the past few weeks, but I don't think giving up on his is the right move.

Besides, you'd be happier with Aaron Gray getting 25+ minutes a night?
Creighton

Evanston, IL

#18 Mar 23, 2008
George McGinnis wrote:
Chad my friend, who said anything about Pax and "perfection". Clearly, the man had a plan and a coach who stood for something; draft/acquire players with character from top notch programs ... Duke, UConn, etc. Please, fellow, give Skiles/Pax their due at least for last year. Patterned, systematic, drive-kick-pass offense that produced open shots for someone when it worked, team defense, and good-stable rotations. It did work Chad last year; the Bulls almost won 50 games; they were the suprise success story in the NBA; every bozo on the tube called the Bulls play amazing; and they had good performances in the first round of the playoffs the last two years... blowing away Miami and almost Detroit. Don't give me your nonsense about Curry/Chandler; they sucked for the Bulls and they suck today... Chandler less so because of their PG. I would be tickled if Pax & Co. emulated either K. McHale or D. Ainge; they both are stellar and did what they needed to do for their respective franchises in moving the players. T-Wolves needed to move beyond the KG era and they're now rebuilding on youth; Danny put together a win-it-all now squad and mortgaged the future, and it's working. Plus, they're bud's and helped one another out; what's so wrong with that? Sounds to me like you got something against all NBA GMs. I think we can agree that much of the current Bulls roster is suspect and too many players are one-dimensional, just like Eddie and Tyson. We need change, and hope, and unity, and all need to believe in a better tomorrow for this team and their GM...LOL
You cannot judge the character of a team when thing are going good, it's when things are going bad that character is put to the test. The Bulls have failed that test and so has Pax. How many bad trades and fourth quarter losses do fans have to see before Pax gets it in his head that his little project was a bad idea. Sorry but I think Pax needs to go, before he brings in anymore of his character guys. Noc lost it tonight, I wonder who is next.

I do think Skiles is a good coach, I hope he gets the Indiana Job, he would restore that program.

“Isaiah 60:10”

Since: Nov 07

Drake CO

#19 Mar 23, 2008
Homer Simpson wrote:
<quoted text>
Noah surely has hit a bit of a rookie wall over the past few weeks, but I don't think giving up on his is the right move.
Besides, you'd be happier with Aaron Gray getting 25+ minutes a night?
HS, Noah hit wall face first the day he was drafted and has been there ever since. Stupid is as stupid does. He has personally contributed in a major way to tearing down the Bulls this season.

First things first. Get rid of Noah and then worry about who replaces him.

Trade Noah now.
Creighton

Evanston, IL

#20 Mar 23, 2008
LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!!!! IF YOU DON'T LEAVE HER ALONE YOU ARE GOING OT HAVE TO DEAL WITH ME. LEAVE HER ALONE. I MEAN IT AND LEAVE NOAH ALONE TOO IF YOU DON'T LEAVE HIM ALONE WE WILL NEVER GET TO SEE HIS HAIR EXPLODE WHEN HE IS TOLD HE MUST TRY AND GUARD DUNCAN AGAIN. HE IS THE CLOWN PRINCE OF BASKETBALL NOW ALL OF YOU LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!!!!!!!

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