RAPTORS 115, KNICKS 92: It's obvious there's a big, big problem

There are 16 comments on the Feb 25, 2008, Newsday story titled RAPTORS 115, KNICKS 92: It's obvious there's a big, big problem. In it, Newsday reports that:

's turn to sit and watch during the fourth quarter and Eddy Curry 's turn to play in it.

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Mark

Swansea, MA

#1 Feb 25, 2008
The irony of Eddy Curry's diagreement with Isiah Thomas over whether the NBA is "going small" is that the coach is actually protecting the player here by using that excuse. Thomas, for all of his faults, is doing Curry a big favor here by not saying too much. Thomas can't publicly announce the true reasons why his center has been phased out of the Knicks' rotation, most notably Curry's inability to play even pedestrian defense and his inability to get a rebound.
Curry sleepwalks his way through games when he's out there, constantly getting beaten to loose balls by opponents who are clearly playing the game with far more hunger. That one part of Hahn's game story that refers to Curry getting outrebounded by a smaller Toronto guard is a recurring theme if you've watched Knicks' games the past few years. Curry is the biggest, strongest player on the court at almost all times and yet would any Knick fan be willing to bet that given equal minutes, he'd be able to outrebound teammate Nate Robinson, all 5-foot-7 of him?
The problem with Curry is he never had to work to be a dominant player on the court through his high school years, and then he jumped right to the NBA. Whereas most players know at that point the party is over and they must make the necessary adjustments and improvements through a heightened work ethic, this guy has been mailing it in since his days disappointing the Chicago franchise and fans. He's yet another king-sized failure of the Thomas regime, but instead of playing the victim here, wouldn't it be nice if Curry actually looked in the mirror and saw what everyone else sees - an incredibly lazy underachiever who is undeserving of playing time.
He's fortunate NBA teams turn over hundreds of millions of dollars to players for what they may bring to the table instead of what they have brought to the table. Because based on performance and work ethic, Curry would be minimum-wage material. Players like Curry can cripple franchises for years by clogging the salary cap and producing next to nothing on the court. When a new coach arrives, he's either going to have to wake Curry up and light a fire under his rear, or the Knicks will have to find somebody who will take him off their hands with little besides perhaps bad, expiring contracts coming back in return. That would be the definition of addition by subtraction.
Would Rather Watch Lebron

Montvale, NJ

#2 Feb 25, 2008
WAKE UP DOLAN! GOOD PLAYERS DON'T ALWAYS MEAN GOOD COACHES. THEY DON'T PLAY FOR OR RESPECT ISIAH. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!
Knicks specialist

Brooklyn, NY

#3 Feb 25, 2008
Please get rid of randolf, we were on our way to making the playoffs last season with curry dominating. Why did we get Zach????? Trade him get steph out and get a young point guard. We also need a vocal leader. We have to make a blockbuster trade this summer. Also, none of this is Isiah's fault, its really the players. Isiah is a competitor, he hates losing, plus has won championships. He knows how to win. He has to get rid of zach, he plagued the team this year. Sign lee to a multi year contract, keep curry, and get a young point and shot blocker. With that we will be a tough team to beat. We have youth and skill, now we need to mesh
Knicks specialist

Brooklyn, NY

#4 Feb 25, 2008
Mark wrote:
The irony of Eddy Curry's diagreement with Isiah Thomas over whether the NBA is "going small" is that the coach is actually protecting the player here by using that excuse. Thomas, for all of his faults, is doing Curry a big favor here by not saying too much. Thomas can't publicly announce the true reasons why his center has been phased out of the Knicks' rotation, most notably Curry's inability to play even pedestrian defense and his inability to get a rebound.
Curry sleepwalks his way through games when he's out there, constantly getting beaten to loose balls by opponents who are clearly playing the game with far more hunger. That one part of Hahn's game story that refers to Curry getting outrebounded by a smaller Toronto guard is a recurring theme if you've watched Knicks' games the past few years. Curry is the biggest, strongest player on the court at almost all times and yet would any Knick fan be willing to bet that given equal minutes, he'd be able to outrebound teammate Nate Robinson, all 5-foot-7 of him?
The problem with Curry is he never had to work to be a dominant player on the court through his high school years, and then he jumped right to the NBA. Whereas most players know at that point the party is over and they must make the necessary adjustments and improvements through a heightened work ethic, this guy has been mailing it in since his days disappointing the Chicago franchise and fans. He's yet another king-sized failure of the Thomas regime, but instead of playing the victim here, wouldn't it be nice if Curry actually looked in the mirror and saw what everyone else sees - an incredibly lazy underachiever who is undeserving of playing time.
He's fortunate NBA teams turn over hundreds of millions of dollars to players for what they may bring to the table instead of what they have brought to the table. Because based on performance and work ethic, Curry would be minimum-wage material. Players like Curry can cripple franchises for years by clogging the salary cap and producing next to nothing on the court. When a new coach arrives, he's either going to have to wake Curry up and light a fire under his rear, or the Knicks will have to find somebody who will take him off their hands with little besides perhaps bad, expiring contracts coming back in return. That would be the definition of addition by subtraction.
Listen Mark, Curry was a potential all star last season, how quickly do you forget??? He lost his confidence and cant handle it because this is the pros and not high school or college. But, now he must adapt to his environment and get better. that is what will be his biggest challenge next season. He blocked shots last year, rebounded and scored the basketball. If you get rid of curry, you throw away a 6'11 300 pound center, who with work, is a dominant center. your crazy and not a knick fan to think to throw players under the bus for 1 bad season.
sammy

Toronto, Canada

#5 Feb 25, 2008
Knicks specialist wrote:
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Listen Mark, Curry was a potential all star last season, how quickly do you forget??? He lost his confidence and cant handle it because this is the pros and not high school or college. But, now he must adapt to his environment and get better. that is what will be his biggest challenge next season. He blocked shots last year, rebounded and scored the basketball. If you get rid of curry, you throw away a 6'11 300 pound center, who with work, is a dominant center. your crazy and not a knick fan to think to throw players under the bus for 1 bad season.
Give up , knicks are done...go raps
Dead

Hollis, NY

#6 Feb 26, 2008
Knicks? Instead of chanting for booting Thomas - Knicks fans should chant for changing the team name. Maybe something like "Ladybugs" or "Donuts" or "Drama Queens"... or even "Spectators". Dolan can change it back to Knicks when he puts a team on the court that deserves the name. These guys- including Thomas are a disgrace-
Hey! That's it! "The NY Disgrace"
sammy

Toronto, Canada

#7 Feb 26, 2008
Dead wrote:
Knicks? Instead of chanting for booting Thomas - Knicks fans should chant for changing the team name. Maybe something like "Ladybugs" or "Donuts" or "Drama Queens"... or even "Spectators". Dolan can change it back to Knicks when he puts a team on the court that deserves the name. These guys- including Thomas are a disgrace-
Hey! That's it! "The NY Disgrace"
its a shame really! so much tradition gone
Mark

Swansea, MA

#8 Feb 26, 2008
Knicks specialist wrote:
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Listen Mark, Curry was a potential all star last season, how quickly do you forget??? He lost his confidence and cant handle it because this is the pros and not high school or college. But, now he must adapt to his environment and get better. that is what will be his biggest challenge next season. He blocked shots last year, rebounded and scored the basketball. If you get rid of curry, you throw away a 6'11 300 pound center, who with work, is a dominant center. your crazy and not a knick fan to think to throw players under the bus for 1 bad season.
Potential All-Stars at his position get tough rebounds, play defense and in some cases block shots, though the last category is a specific talent and isn't as important as the first two. The operative words in your reply were "with work" he could be a dominant center. At one point in a career that is already seven years old does that work ethic begin to take form. As far as your suggesting how easily I forgot about his performance last year, I didn't think his performance last year was worthy of any accolades other than the obvious - that he is a talented low-post scorer when the spirit moves him. As a Knicks' fan, you must by now realize the spirit doesn't move Curry to work very hard on a consistent basis.
There's one other element of Curry's existence on the court that doesn't come up in stat sheets but is as damaging to a team as anything else he does or doesn't do. When he's not hustling, or at least making an honest attempt to fill the lane to stop opponents' drives, that breaks the spirit of a unit. It's the same reason why the Celtics' defense this season is like day and night from last year en route to their great turnaround. The lesser players see Kevin Garnett working his rear end off at the defensive end of the floor and it becomes contagious. Team defense begins with your big men having the perimeter defenders' backs, and being able to defend the goal. Curry doesn't do this and too often looks like he doesn't care to try.
Here's another way to look at it. When they conducted a poll of NBA players earlier this year to determine the biggest underachievers in the league, Curry finished in the top three. I can't imagine that would come as any surprise to any Knicks' fan, even those who claim he's still young. Sure he is, but consider he's watching players a lot younger establish themselves among the leaue's best while he goes backward. I hope he does turn it around because he doesn't appear to be a bad guy, but I'm sorry, he does appear to be a lazy one.
KJ from Queens

Atlanta, GA

#9 Feb 26, 2008
Mark wrote:
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Potential All-Stars at his position get tough rebounds, play defense and in some cases block shots, though the last category is a specific talent and isn't as important as the first two. The operative words in your reply were "with work" he could be a dominant center. At one point in a career that is already seven years old does that work ethic begin to take form. As far as your suggesting how easily I forgot about his performance last year, I didn't think his performance last year was worthy of any accolades other than the obvious - that he is a talented low-post scorer when the spirit moves him. As a Knicks' fan, you must by now realize the spirit doesn't move Curry to work very hard on a consistent basis.
There's one other element of Curry's existence on the court that doesn't come up in stat sheets but is as damaging to a team as anything else he does or doesn't do. When he's not hustling, or at least making an honest attempt to fill the lane to stop opponents' drives, that breaks the spirit of a unit. It's the same reason why the Celtics' defense this season is like day and night from last year en route to their great turnaround. The lesser players see Kevin Garnett working his rear end off at the defensive end of the floor and it becomes contagious. Team defense begins with your big men having the perimeter defenders' backs, and being able to defend the goal. Curry doesn't do this and too often looks like he doesn't care to try.
Here's another way to look at it. When they conducted a poll of NBA players earlier this year to determine the biggest underachievers in the league, Curry finished in the top three. I can't imagine that would come as any surprise to any Knicks' fan, even those who claim he's still young. Sure he is, but consider he's watching players a lot younger establish themselves among the leaue's best while he goes backward. I hope he does turn it around because he doesn't appear to be a bad guy, but I'm sorry, he does appear to be a lazy one.
Kudos, Mark. I am a Knicks fan that was not totally impressed by Curry's '06-'07 season. A guy his size with his ability averages 7 boards a game and doesn't defend the lane, at all? Since when us Knicks fans expect so little from our players? Ewing, Oakley, Mason, even Camby were better rebounders and defenders in their sleep than Curry will ever be. He is a bum, even Isiah has realized that he is a bum. I just want him and Marbury off the team, please.
Isiah is an idiot

New Hyde Park, NY

#10 Feb 26, 2008
Curry is the pre-Phil Jackson era L.A Shaq, minus the stats. When Shaq was in L.A., he was killin everyone, getting rebounds, and blocking shots, but he didn't have that killer instinct. He didn't play good defense, he was lazy, no on was scared to drive the lane with him there, and he only put up great stats because of his size. Once Phil Jackson came to L.A., he transformed Shaq into the most dominant center in the NBA.
My point is this - FIRE ISIAH AND GET A REAL COACH!!! Yes there are other changes that need to be made regarding the players we have, but in order to get this team to play well, they need better coaching. Why not bring in Ewing as the big man's coach, look what he's done for Yao and Dwight Howard.
Knicks specialist

Brooklyn, NY

#11 Feb 26, 2008
KJ from Queens wrote:
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Kudos, Mark. I am a Knicks fan that was not totally impressed by Curry's '06-'07 season. A guy his size with his ability averages 7 boards a game and doesn't defend the lane, at all? Since when us Knicks fans expect so little from our players? Ewing, Oakley, Mason, even Camby were better rebounders and defenders in their sleep than Curry will ever be. He is a bum, even Isiah has realized that he is a bum. I just want him and Marbury off the team, please.


Are u kidding, he was an all star last year. The knicks won 6 to 7 straight until marbury hurt his shoulder. Well, i agree we need a voice on this team to get more energy, but i still would not give up on eddie.
KJ from Queens

Atlanta, GA

#12 Feb 26, 2008
Knicks specialist wrote:
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Are u kidding, he was an all star last year. The knicks won 6 to 7 straight until marbury hurt his shoulder. Well, i agree we need a voice on this team to get more energy, but i still would not give up on eddie.
First, he was not an all star, he didn't make the team, remember. Glenn Rice was once an all star, he was also one of the biggest mistakes the Knicks made. So being an almost all star for one season does not make Curry a winning ballplayer.
jack

Kew Gardens, NY

#13 Feb 27, 2008
if the knicks had a pass first point guard they wouldnt be in this mess
jack

Kew Gardens, NY

#14 Feb 27, 2008
the knicks should keep randolph, and get rid of curry. Jerome James is just a over sized monkey, he stinks
tell marbaury to go back to the projects. Isiahs draft selection stinks. Balkman should not be in the pros. collins suxs. when the next come to new york i might switch teams. and what up with the brothers having tatoos on their necks they look dumb....
jack

Kew Gardens, NY

#15 Feb 27, 2008
the knicks should keep randolph, and get rid of curry. Jerome James is just a over sized monkey, he stinks
tell marbaury to go back to the projects. Isiahs draft selection stinks. Balkman should not be in the pros. collins suxs. when the nets come to new york i might switch teams. and what up with the brothers having tatoos on their necks they look dumb....
sammy

Toronto, Canada

#16 Feb 29, 2008
jack wrote:
the knicks should keep randolph, and get rid of curry. Jerome James is just a over sized monkey, he stinks
tell marbaury to go back to the projects. Isiahs draft selection stinks. Balkman should not be in the pros. collins suxs. when the nets come to new york i might switch teams. and what up with the brothers having tatoos on their necks they look dumb....
why not just get rid of all of them and start over.

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