Comeback, but a step back

Comeback, but a step back

There are 211 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jan 16, 2008, titled Comeback, but a step back. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

The Indiana Pacers suspended Jamaal Tinsley for Wednesday night's game against Golden State following an incident during a film session one day earlier, The Star has learned.

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ARS

Thousand Oaks, CA

#212 Jan 18, 2008
Fell Down Funked Up wrote:
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Ghetto-like environments and "thuggish appearance", eh? "Thuggish Appearance"? Hmmmmmmm....
What, pray tell, constitutes a "thuggish appearance"? I can't help but wonder what you're getting at here, Bull Connor.
Seriously, do you even comprehend the subtext lingering just below your "outrage"? I'm sure you do, but clearly you don't care.
yes the "thug" stuff is tossed around too much. Was Dennis Rodman a thug? or a "bad boy"? he was just a guy that chose to dress and do his hair the way he chose to do it. I went to school in Indy with people that called themselves "thugs". I've said once before that a "thug" has no regard for laws and rules. Why would any "thug" want to play in a professional sport where they have to follow rules? I'm sure i don't have to bring to attention that there are more than a handful of rules to the game and to be employed by the league. Also a "thug" would not work for a living.
ARS

Thousand Oaks, CA

#213 Jan 18, 2008
All the players in the NBA have made sacrifices at some point in their lives. Sacrifices that a "thug" would not make. You don't see any of these Pacers players throwing punches at refs or just throwing them just to spice up the game. There are many players in the league that have bad attitudes, but I don't see any of them qualifying as a thug. They would get tired of following the rules and they would not last very long.
ARS

Thousand Oaks, CA

#214 Jan 18, 2008
IPS graduates 52 percent wrote:
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Here are the people on the Pacers roster that fans have issues with.
Tinsley Ė Do we really need to go over why?
Daniels Ė Felony charge pending + strip club incident
Harrison Ė Illegal Drug use
Williams Ė Arrested
Thatís 4 out of 13, or as I like to call it, 30% of the roster. Weíre not even counting players like Artest and Jackson who were on the roster in recent years and are now gone.
Dunleavyís a bad player? Do you even watch the NBA?
Letís compare Dunleavy to S.Jackson
Field Goal % 49.4 39.8
Field Goals attempted 502 580
3point % 41.8 31.4
3 pointers attempted 158 223
Rebounds 5.9 4.6
Points per game 17.5 20.5
How can you put the "strip club incident" on Daniels' record? I don't remember his name being involved with jumping on a car or firing a gun in the air. Yes he was there, but I gave he and Jamaal credit, they were all LEAVING the bar due to an altercation that they didn't want to escalate. The people probably followed them out (mostly Jackson) because he was the one doing a lot of talking. He has been known to do that. As for the 8seconds fight, when there is a problem with 2 or more people the person that gets it the worst is usually the one who wants the police involved whether they started it or not, plus the guy WAS at his own bar so he knew he could have the law on his side. All in all the guys still say they weren't involved with a fight and don;t understand why their names were used. The bar owner probably got in a mess with someone, he didn't know who it was, doesnt like Tinsley, and probably wants someone to pay his medical bills. If they plea guilty or there is some STRONG evidence against them, THEN I will say they lied, but feel they were defending themselves for being called thieves and probably worse. I'm not black but I feel if I was I'd learn to laugh when someone calls me names. If guilty then it will be a racial issue, but they will be punished for not only the crime but for lying originally.IF magic word

“My knife Your Kitchen!!”

Since: Jan 08

Where the Red Fern grows.

#215 Jan 18, 2008
All I know is that I have Jamal on my fantasy team and him not playing on wednesday probably will lose me the period. I hope he plays on saturday.
IPS graduates 52 percent

West Manchester, OH

#216 Jan 19, 2008
ARS wrote:
<quoted text>How can you put the "strip club incident" on Daniels' record? I don't remember his name being involved with jumping on a car or firing a gun in the air. Yes he was there, but I gave he and Jamaal credit, they were all LEAVING the bar due to an altercation that they didn't want to escalate. The people probably followed them out (mostly Jackson) because he was the one doing a lot of talking. He has been known to do that. As for the 8seconds fight, when there is a problem with 2 or more people the person that gets it the worst is usually the one who wants the police involved whether they started it or not, plus the guy WAS at his own bar so he knew he could have the law on his side. All in all the guys still say they weren't involved with a fight and don;t understand why their names were used. The bar owner probably got in a mess with someone, he didn't know who it was, doesnt like Tinsley, and probably wants someone to pay his medical bills. If they plea guilty or there is some STRONG evidence against them, THEN I will say they lied, but feel they were defending themselves for being called thieves and probably worse. I'm not black but I feel if I was I'd learn to laugh when someone calls me names. If guilty then it will be a racial issue, but they will be punished for not only the crime but for lying originally.IF magic word
You give Tinsley ďcreditĒ for leaving the strip club incident? Gee, that couldnít have been because there was WEED in his car now could it? Remember that? The police couldnít determine whose it was, so nobody was arrested. I give Tinsley absolutely no credit for wanting to leave the scene when illegal drugs were present. In light of other situations, I think that was just the tip of the iceberg for Tinsley.

And youíre defending Marquis Daniels who has a FELONY charge pending? Both Tinsley and Daniels were indicted by a grand jury. That means they think there is enough evidence to at least go to trial. Iíve got news for you, itís no longer just a bar fight when you have a grand jury involved and felony charges pending.

In case you donít know what a grand jury happens to do.

http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/faq/faq1....
Gary

Dayton, OH

#217 Jan 19, 2008
Sean Elliott wrote:
All I know is that I have Jamal on my fantasy team and him not playing on wednesday probably will lose me the period. I hope he plays on saturday.
Start Diener!
Mardina

Indianapolis, IN

#218 Jan 19, 2008
Gary wrote:
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Start Diener!
I second the motion!!
ARS

Thousand Oaks, CA

#219 Jan 19, 2008
IPS graduates 52 percent wrote:
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You give Tinsley ďcreditĒ for leaving the strip club incident? Gee, that couldnít have been because there was WEED in his car now could it? Remember that? The police couldnít determine whose it was, so nobody was arrested. I give Tinsley absolutely no credit for wanting to leave the scene when illegal drugs were present. In light of other situations, I think that was just the tip of the iceberg for Tinsley.
And youíre defending Marquis Daniels who has a FELONY charge pending? Both Tinsley and Daniels were indicted by a grand jury. That means they think there is enough evidence to at least go to trial. Iíve got news for you, itís no longer just a bar fight when you have a grand jury involved and felony charges pending.
In case you donít know what a grand jury happens to do.
http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/faq/faq1....
so you think Tinsley wanted to leave due to what was IN HIS CAR?? if a fight breaks out IN THE CLUB is there any probable cause to search the vehicles of any of the persons involved? or any person who was with a person involved? What if Tinsley would have chose to leave Jackson there, would you have given him credit then? Like I said i give them credit for deciding to leave jackson's issue to himself, they could have very easily jumped in to defend a teammate who was probably in the wrong. With the FELONY charges PENDING, even when there are witnesses the allegations aren't always true, and it takes more than one party to tango, the bar owner is guilty of something he is only considered "in the right" because it was at HIS bar. Just one question for you, at the time with the only incident involving the names of Tinsley and Daniels being the strip club scene, why would you be so quick to believe that they ARE guilty? You would probably have done the same thing as the bar owner just because you don't like Tinsley. I will say just one more time, yes Tinsley and Daniels should have left the bar regardless of what someone was saying to or calling them. I feel bad for them because they had no control of their actions, and I feel bad for the bar owner for not knowing how to handle the safety of himself and his business when something got out of hand. Its a mess leave it at that just stop pointing fingers let your "grand jury" figure it out.
IPS graduates 52 percent

West Manchester, OH

#220 Jan 20, 2008
You really want me to have an intelligent conversation with someone who says...
ARS wrote:
<quoted text> I feel bad for them because they had no control of their actions...
Yea, that sounds like a civilized individual. And I have a news flash for you, three guys beating one man isnít a fight were I come from, itís a beat down.

Police said Tinsley, Daniels and McLeod's cousin, Jeremy King, started hitting Nicholson, who suffered a damaged earlobe and possible broken jaw.
"It first started, I think, with the threat that,'I will kill you,'" said Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Lt. Doug Scheffel. "It turned into a punch being thrown, striking the manager in the face. There was another punch allegedly thrown by Marquis Daniels ... hitting him in the ear, I believe. So, we know at least the manager was struck a couple of times"
ARS

Thousand Oaks, CA

#221 Jan 21, 2008
IPS graduates 52 percent wrote:
You really want me to have an intelligent conversation with someone who says...
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Yea, that sounds like a civilized individual. And I have a news flash for you, three guys beating one man isnít a fight were I come from, itís a beat down.
Police said Tinsley, Daniels and McLeod's cousin, Jeremy King, started hitting Nicholson, who suffered a damaged earlobe and possible broken jaw.
"It first started, I think, with the threat that,'I will kill you,'" said Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Lt. Doug Scheffel. "It turned into a punch being thrown, striking the manager in the face. There was another punch allegedly thrown by Marquis Daniels ... hitting him in the ear, I believe. So, we know at least the manager was struck a couple of times"
no we as people shouldn't feel sorry for anyone in any way shape or form, but I do FEEL for many people in this world and some of them happen to be people that don't know the difference between a reaction and a negative reaction weather or not they feel it is justified. Yes I feel theses actions were REactions on what was going on at the bar. As a human being do you really think that these people went walking through the bar, looking and searching for a random person to "beat down" because it sounded like the fun thing to do? Regardless of how "beat down" the manager was or even still is, he played a roll in this also. In this day and age, before fists fly words are spoken. Again I say to you, when things like this happen MORE THAN ONE PARTY is to blame, but its easy to sue when you get the worst of it huh
rmk23

United States

#222 Jan 22, 2008
ARS wrote:
<quoted text>no we as people shouldn't feel sorry for anyone in any way shape or form, but I do FEEL for many people in this world and some of them happen to be people that don't know the difference between a reaction and a negative reaction weather or not they feel it is justified. Yes I feel theses actions were REactions on what was going on at the bar. As a human being do you really think that these people went walking through the bar, looking and searching for a random person to "beat down" because it sounded like the fun thing to do? Regardless of how "beat down" the manager was or even still is, he played a roll in this also. In this day and age, before fists fly words are spoken. Again I say to you, when things like this happen MORE THAN ONE PARTY is to blame, but its easy to sue when you get the worst of it huh
They may not have been looking to beat someone down, but certainly they're not so stupid that they couldn't realize the effect their presence would have. Going to that club, in that area, with their money, cars and fame is absolutely flaunting it. Does that mean they deserve to be confronted? No. However, reality is reality and a little common sense can go a long way. Quit making lame excuses for them.

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