Indiana has only 1 choice if it wants to remake team

Jermaine O'Neal only wants to remain an Indiana Pacer if management can surround him with players who can help this team return to contending status. Full Story
Rebuilding idea

Indianapolis, IN

#21 Apr 20, 2007
OK... Here is a novel rebuilding idea.

Change the team name from the Indiana Pacers to the Indiana Thugs and recruit a new team from within the Indiana penal system. That would mean getting rid of several of the existing players, including Oneal, but several would be able to stay!

This would put the team under the salary cap for one thing. For another, it would better reflect the attitude of the Pacers, oops, I mean Thugs.

The owners would like it because it would mean new team colors and perhaps logo which would equal lots of merchandise sales. I predict the Orange Thug tear-away jumpsuit to be a popular item.

I'm just trying to think of an idea which would play to the strengths of the current Pacers.
Chris

Lexington, KY

#22 Apr 20, 2007
J.O. has done what he can. He's be awesome in tandem with a franchise player. Everyone talks like running a full-court system is the answer. Any team with speed can run the court. But, everyone knows that a successful full-court game starts with discipline and effort in the defensive half-court. This team has had too many players who resent having to demonstrate any sort of discipline on court or off. Tinsely ain't gonna play D. Not now. Not ever. So, the full court system is out of the question even if Carlisle wanted to run it.
Timbo

Indianapolis, IN

#23 Apr 20, 2007
Bob --

pleeeaassse do two things:(1) put away the dynamite..this team may not need to be blown up; even with all of the injuries and off-court issues, how can you tell what they've got when they have never been coached to their strenghts?(2) take off your blinders regarding Rick Carlisle...if you can't see that the team has totally tuned him out, then you really haven't been watching.
trade value of JO

Indianapolis, IN

#24 Apr 20, 2007
Can we even get anyone decent for JO at this point? He's on the downslope of his career if you ask me, and it looks like he'll need some surgery in the offseason. You think any teams are going to give up a franchise-type of player for that? Not unless you find a GM as DUMB as Larry Bird, no way. I say we keep JO, Foster, Granger, and Diogu, and unload everybody else (at least, PLEASE, IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT'S SACRED, DUMP TINSLEY!!). We do that, tank the season next year, get a top 5 draft pick, and REALLY start rebuilding. Sometimes it takes hitting rock bottom before the turnaround, and I don't think we're there yet (sadly). Look at Dallas - it took them YEARS to build the current Mavericks team. I hate to say it, but this won't happen overnight. Too many problems, too little leverage, too few draft picks. Still, we'll be back eventually. GO PACERS!!!
Skip Free-SC

Columbia, SC

#25 Apr 20, 2007
barb wood wrote:
Get rid of Carlisle!!!!!!! He needs to go ..........He just doesn't know how to get the team connected........Get Reggie Miller to be their coach!!!!!!!!
I have heard this "hire Reggie Miller" bs so long it's been making me ill, so you, Barb, get to be the unfortunate target of my logic.

First, I doubt Reggie would WANT to coach in the NBA. He has a dream setup right now, working his movie production business from LA, spending one night a week doing hoops on TV, and talking to Dan Patrick on Monday on ESPN radio.

Second, even if Reggie DID want to coach in the NBA,(which he has professed several times he does not), I doubt it would be in this organization.

Third, Reggie has exactly ZERO coaching experience. He was a great player, yes, a legend in blue and gold, but that does not necessarily a successful coach make. I'd reach out to Stan Van Gundy first, and maybe make another call to Larry Brown second.

Finally, even if all of the above are ignored, there is no magic bullet in the gun! To be successful in the NBA, you have to have players and at the moment, the Pacers have one: Jermaine O'Neal. Without some serious rebuilding, this job is not going to be one sought by any coach of much repute.(Remember Tim Floyd with the post-Jordan Bulls?)
Journalism School Dropout

Indianapolis, IN

#26 Apr 20, 2007
It's pretty simple. Blow up the team, and build around Granger.

Wheel and deal to get some draft picks Larry. This team needs to start fresh with all new faces.

And forget hiring from the carousel of NBA coaches, bring in someone brand new, maybe Mark Jackson or a college coach.

Didnt Mike Davis always want to coach in the NBA?
Chuck Roast

New York, NY

#27 Apr 20, 2007
Baldninja wrote:
I think the obvious thing to do would be to attempt to trade O'Neal, and possibly other players/draft picks, to get the number one pick and draft Greg Oden. He's an Indiana guy, which will automatically put fans in the seats and regain some of the fan base, and he's the type of player that you can build a franchise around, with a very long career ahead of him coming in at only 19 years old.
Then if it's possible, possibly make a seperate trade to get a later first round pick and try to get another long term player who can complement Oden, possibly a point guard.
That's some good weed you're smokin there Baldninja. I suppose you still believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. The Pacers first need to get rid of the person who drove the train to this wreck. It's hard to tell who's the Conductor and who's the Engineer, Bird or Walsh. Carlisle should be the first to go. He would be a great High School or small College Coach. His offensive skills would be in demand. Bring the ball down and throw it to your best player.
Hoops

Indianapolis, IN

#28 Apr 20, 2007
I'm sick of people trashing Donny Walsh. He was responsible for putting together or team that made it to the finals against the lakers. Then unbelievably we went from a team that was the oldest in the nba with everyone retiring to the youngest. What, we traded dale davis for jermaine, and look how that worked out? Trust Walsh, he has jermaine, and that isn't much, but he will get us on track. Only problem is it may take a while.
Mr Obvious

Carmel, IN

#29 Apr 20, 2007
What would you fans think about trading O'Neil and Tinsley to the Bulls for their top 10 pick (from New York),#1 pick in 2008 and Ben Gordon...

You would have a chance at getting Conley in the top 10, would have Gordon as a legit 2 guard who can score and another #1 pick...

Not to mention Tinsley would be gone and you would have tons of $$$ to spend on quality Free Agents...
trade value of JO

Indianapolis, IN

#30 Apr 20, 2007
Hoops wrote:
I'm sick of people trashing Donny Walsh. He was responsible for putting together or team that made it to the finals against the lakers. Then unbelievably we went from a team that was the oldest in the nba with everyone retiring to the youngest. What, we traded dale davis for jermaine, and look how that worked out? Trust Walsh, he has jermaine, and that isn't much, but he will get us on track. Only problem is it may take a while.
Amen to that. I think the only problem with Donnie Walsh is that he is NOT INVOLVED ENOUGH. Things went downhill fast when Larry Legend moved into the front office.

Patience is definitely going to be a virtue for Pacer fans. I think we need to look long-term here, because attempting "quick fixes" will only continue the sprial down, IMHO. If we think we can trade JO for a whole new team, we're dreaming. If we do trade him, I'd rather go for a high draft pick than a current NBA player because I just don't think we can get much for JO at this point. The only trade we can get for him is from a desparate team, and all they're going to have to give us is a draft pick (if they're that "desparate," they won't have anybody worth trading JO for).
GSW_Fan

San Francisco, CA

#32 Apr 20, 2007
"In fairness, though, it also should be noted Harrington and Jackson showed up when Baron Davis and Jason Richardson were returning from injuries, and the ex-Pacers arrived just about the time the Warriors' schedule got soft."

Uuuuh, the Warriors had the toughest schedule in the entire league the last two months of the season. Pleeease...
We could do worse

Indianapolis, IN

#33 Apr 20, 2007
Why is JO the devil all of a sudden? If you think getting a good point guard is tough - try finding a good big man - it will be much harder. JO can play defense, rebound, and give you some scoring.

Donnie and Larry put together one of the top 4 teams in basketball untill they flipped-out and ran into the stands - I'm sorry but I can't blame them(totally) for it. They had to dump all that talent and you have now what you have.

The guard position is where we have to get help. No point guard, no shooting guard, no one off the bench for scoring. Dumping JO is not going to solve those problems
Chris

Jeffersonville, IN

#34 Apr 20, 2007
If O'Neil is dealt, let's get rid of some of those fat contracts with him. We've been choked ever since we gave Austin C. the fat contract after one series. Then there was a series of what appears to be forever contracts to average players. How many Pacer conversations talk about how we can't do anything because of contracts...for how many years does this go on???
Rich from Indy

Kansas City, MO

#35 Apr 20, 2007
I look at it like this. This is Bird's last chance. If Walsh and Bird make bad decisions this time and make a bunch of mistakes this summer and we end up in even worse shape than before. It will be time for the Simons to step in and clean house.
Big Al

Westfield, IN

#36 Apr 20, 2007
Y'all cab bicker over the internet... I'm going to Club Rio.
Whatever

Indianapolis, IN

#37 Apr 20, 2007
Fans come to the game to see star players and we're going to rebuild to no-name players. No one knows yet how Greg Oden will play in the NBA and more than likely the Pacers are not going to get him. Probably in a couple of years the fans in Indiana will rag him like they did Tinsley, Jackson, O'Neal and others. The history of Indiana fans!!! I don't know how Reggie managed to get such high status:)
L Bird

Winter Park, FL

#38 Apr 20, 2007
Any one up for a round of golf? And drinks afterward?
Ghost of Neto

San Francisco, CA

#39 Apr 20, 2007
We could do worse wrote:
Why is JO the devil all of a sudden? If you think getting a good point guard is tough - try finding a good big man - it will be much harder. JO can play defense, rebound, and give you some scoring.
Donnie and Larry put together one of the top 4 teams in basketball untill they flipped-out and ran into the stands - I'm sorry but I can't blame them(totally) for it. They had to dump all that talent and you have now what you have.
The guard position is where we have to get help. No point guard, no shooting guard, no one off the bench for scoring. Dumping JO is not going to solve those problems
Good post. I couldn't agree more. Had Ben Wallace not have gone 'thug' on Artest and instigated that brawl, I firmly believe the Pacers would have won the East that year. Walsh and Bird were under tremendous pressure to dump Artest and Jackson for virtually nothing because the fans were so upset by their off-court antics. While I'm still not convinced Larry has what it takes to accurately judge NBA talent, Walsh is still a solid GM. I think his biggest mistake the past three years has been allowing Larry to make more and more of the basketball decisions.

Walsh obviuosly wants to retire and his hope was to groom Larry for the GM job and hopefully leave the franchise in good hands. This past season should be enough to convince Walsh he's made a mistake handing the Pacer kingdom's keys over to Bird and should either ask Larry to be the coach or find new employment. I don;t know if Walsh has the stomach for that, so perhaps the Simon's need to step in and swing the ax for Donnie? Carlisle has run his course and needs to move on as well.

One thing is for certain, it's going to take a few years for the Pacers to be competetive again and fans should be ready for some lean times.
thinking

United States

#40 Apr 20, 2007
It a shame all you people that think you know what would fix the pacer aren't running the pacer and the world. You seem to forget that Rick want every game his first year here. A coach or player alone can not win a game with help from other player
Jim

Atlanta, IN

#41 Apr 20, 2007
Contrary to what Kravitz says, history shows us that all NBA players can be traded. Certainly, Dunleavy and Murphy can be traded - they just were traded! Can't dispute that evidence. I'd like to see Jermaine stay and see his game rise to that last high level, where he plays "wider" or more elongated. He has a nice, tight game, but too often reminds me of a freshamn at a high school dance, too restrained. He's the go-to guy now, but once he opens up, developing the width and stretch of his athletic prowess, he'll be all but unstoppable. I'd like to see that happen on our team, not on someone else's.

I don't know who should be kept or traded since the local stations (Off with their treacherous heads!:) failed to air Pacer games this year, but I loved Dunleavy's college game. In any case, I hope Bird and Walsh don't get suckered into thinking there is only one (Kravitz's) way to a championship team.

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