Season is lost; now it's time to move...

Season is lost; now it's time to move O'Neal, rebuild team from...

There are 151 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Apr 16, 2007, titled Season is lost; now it's time to move O'Neal, rebuild team from.... In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

" I wrote it a few weeks ago and I will write it again: The Pacers are wheeling and dealing their way straight to the NBA draft lottery.

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Gtown fat boyyy

United States

#129 Apr 16, 2007
get hibbert in the lottery!
casey

La Fontaine, IN

#130 Apr 16, 2007
But, you cant get anything for O'neal he is not worth 20 mill in a now gaurd ran league it will all be better there is a lot of good players in the draft this year. what we probly wont even get a pic this year. i say we get bird out of the office and back on the bench.
jlwallen

Bowling Green, KY

#131 Apr 16, 2007
wholesale cleaning time. here's what i would love to see:

get rid of o'neil
get rid of tinsley
get rid of harrison
get rid of foster
get rid of carlisle

stop trying to build a franchise around a single player and get a nucleus of players to put together. you know like, ummmmm, the pistons.

you can keep mcleod and murphy and duleavey. they'll make nice backups for a starting team. but even a starting team isn't going to work with a coach who wants to keep control of the game out of the hands of those who are actually playing it.
Anonymous

Indianapolis, IN

#132 Apr 16, 2007
The team got watered down before Baby Al and Stephen Jackson but that's the Pacers reputation. Trade, trade, trade. A bunch of us have been watching them do it for years. The grass always looks greener. Build up instead of tearing down.

Maybe the Indianapolis Star can do a trade with Bob Kravitz.
mookie

Orlando, FL

#133 Apr 16, 2007
Eric wrote:
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The only picks that are determined by the lottery are the top 3 picks. Only teams that miss the playoffs are eligible. Once those 3 picks are decided teams pick in the order of their record, from worst to first. If the Pacers finish with the 12th worst record, which is where they're at now, they'll probably have like a 2%-3% chance of getting a top 3 pick. Fail to hit the jackpot there and our 2007 first round pick goes to the freakin' Hawks.
I don't think Bird and Donnie Walsh have gotten enough criticism for trading away our '07 2nd round pick and an '08 2nd round pick (either our own or the one Phoenix owes us from the James Jones trade) for James White and then promptly cutting White a few weeks later. WTF? We just GAVE away two 2nd round picks for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. At least we could have kept White on the roster this year so he could enter the Slam Dunk contenst; then at least we'd have had a chance to win something...
Thanks for the clarification! Like I said, "It would take a miracle."
mookie

Orlando, FL

#134 Apr 16, 2007
So here is the summation: You can't get anything for any of the current Pacers, so how can you "get rid of them", and it would take a miracle to have a draft pick. Carlisle can't coach. Bird can't manage. This is a dismal saga! Maybe the Pacer front office could call for a recall of the ABA.
Larry Bird

Carmel, IN

#135 Apr 16, 2007
It's not my fault. They were all supposed to be good players. I need a new deck of tarot cards.
BIG PAT

Newark, OH

#136 Apr 16, 2007
What's Oden going to do for Pacers that Oneal isn't already doing? True... the Pacers are in a rebuilding stage but rebuild the wrong way and you will continue rebuilding for quite sometime. What do you have against JO? One man doesn't make the team. Start from the coach and proceed is the correct rebuilding strategy. JO would be a pawn for something better at best not for something potentially better.
Dont Care anymore

Crystal Lake, IL

#137 Apr 16, 2007
There's a reason why Detroit shipped Carlisle.. Larry Bird needs to go into full time retirement too... he has NO clue when it comes to evaluating talent... what a pathetic joke!
Pacersann1 Mary

AOL

#138 Apr 16, 2007
I don't agree with getting rid of O'Neal,, Carlisle yes, and Tinsley yes.
Gaston Blanco

San Fernando, Argentina

#139 Apr 16, 2007
This past years, i have seen the worst Indiana Pacers Organization as a whole I can remember.
We have in Donnie Walsh and larry Bird two guys who don't have the nerve to fire a coach that hasn't been able to mantain order in his locker room.
You have a coach that don't have the nerve to confront his CEO when he makes a big deal IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON WITHOUT CONSULTING HIM.
You have players who can't stand each other, who does not play with passion, who only think about themselves.
CONCLUSION: you have a lousy team, and Indiana deservers an All-Star Team...
Cheryl Lynn

Livingston, NJ

#140 Apr 16, 2007
Atanta is going to get 2 picks in the first 12 picks. With the depth in this years draft they will really improve their team.
Dave Anderson

United States

#141 Apr 16, 2007
There are times when being right sucks. This is one. My only additional comment is the first move should start with Bird. Either back to the bench or back to Florida. Heck, maybe he and Isiah can compare write a book on NBA management.
GSW Fan

Fremont, CA

#142 Apr 16, 2007
TheTruthIs wrote:
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I agree with you 100% on this. I'm quite impressed with Dunleavy, sure he isn't a high lotto pick but so what he's every bit as good as Jackson (keeping in mind they have different skill sets) if not better only minus the HUGE baggage. Ike is obviously better maybe even with pretty serious potential than Powell.
This is a very big joke. Dunleavy only plays well in very limited conditions and you guys will find out:
1) when the season is over and nothing is important
2) against very weak opponents

Dunleavy plays absolutely no defense. Worst, he can't shoot straight. He misses sideways and that's very bad for a "shooter"

Jax, on the other hand, helps GSW to play extremely good defense and that's why GSW is a much better team than the Pacers now. We were a much worst team before the trade. Frankly, GSW can beat any team in the west except San Antonio. With Jax and AL, we are still hunting for our playoffs and we went 13 and 4 or something in the last 17 games. BTW, those who worried Jax might shoot someone here in Oakland should not worry too much. Oakland is a town with major league crime so Jax will not dare to even show a gun over there.

Troy is actually a better player. But both Troy and Mike D. are good bench players. If you need any of them to be your starters, you are definitely a lottery bound team.

And with their contracts, they are untradeable anymore. Other fans usually won't pressure the clubs the way the Pacers fans do in pulling the trigger on bad trades because of panics
Bob

United States

#143 Apr 16, 2007
This team has been boring for a long time. O'Neal is not the player that a team can be built around. He never seems to step up and make that needed play at the end of the game. The Pacers' issues started long ago when they kept drafting high school kids and several other ill advised draft selections. In this cap heavy league, the draft is essential to building a winner and the Pacers have been absolutely dreadful with the draft.
moron

Atlanta, GA

#150 Apr 17, 2007
Hey moron wrote:
<quoted text>
The chances are slim based on the trade made with Atlanta. Get a life.
Hey loser, is Helmsville near Bangscowsville or Madeoutwithhisfavoritegoatsbur g? Is there a presumption of beastiality for anyone who lives in that podunk town?
Go Pacers!!!!
ONeals-Done

Bloomington, IN

#151 Apr 17, 2007
Foster should be kept hes like the only older player besides Armstrong that tries.
O'neal is an injury prone little baby get rid of him, how the hell does a PF/C shoot 43%, my god.
Tinsley has the skills, just not the brains, move him.
Daniels MOVE HIM look at the colts, move the classless bums.
Everyone else I am on the fence or think should be kept.
IndianaJT

United States

#152 Apr 17, 2007
We may be forced to pick up some of their salaries, but I would really like to see J.O. and Tinsley elsewhere.
Can Mike Conley make it in the NBA. We have worse.
The NBA is chemistry, not talent........There is talent everywhere....How bout giving Mark Jackson a chance on the bench???
Jimbo

Chicago, IL

#153 Apr 17, 2007
I hate to admit it, but Kravitz is right. I'm a life-long Pacers fan, now exiled in Chicago. The Pacers are going to have to take a note from the Bulls, and rebuild with a young team the way Chicago has. Take a note that Paxson probably knew that Artest was gonna be a problem and seized on an opportunity to dump him to the Pacers. Walsh and Bird need to realize that in rebuilding years, the only way Pacers fans will support the team is with young, team-oriented hustle players. And yes, this unfortunately means that cap room and draft picks will be needed, which means that Jermaine O'Neal has to go.
Guy

Bellevue, WA

#154 Apr 17, 2007
Sadly that true, we've been building our hopes on Jermain only to realize how much we gambled on the wrong horse,Jermain is a good player, but he is not a leader, he is not a go to guy, in the last minutes of the game against the Heat we kept giving to ball to Jermain and he did the same thing he did all Year long, shoot it from the out side, he doesn't even bother to look for his team mates, while Granger had the Hot hand. Jermain may be an all-star but he is an all star just as Iverson is - good,selfish and totally lack the ability to lead a team.
If you want to be in the top of the NBA you need to have players that when you give the the ball then have the ability to pass it .
so yes, Jermain must go, and the pacers need to build new team that will play as a team not 4 guys that wonder if Jermain will decide to pass the ball or just take another outside shot

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