Pacers take defensive posture

Pacers take defensive posture

There are 99 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Feb 21, 2007, titled Pacers take defensive posture. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

In my 25 years in this business, I've read a lot of news releases and team statements.

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Mother of Two

Mooresville, IN

#84 Feb 22, 2007
ABA Pacers fan wrote:
Bob hit the right note when he said "Going back through the blizzard of official written statements we've received from the Pacers this year, can anybody ever recall a genuine expression of contrition or concern? Something?". I think Pacers fans deserve an apology, and some genuine empathy from the front office and players. Does anyone in the Pacers organization have the backbone to say "enough is enough"? We are sorry fans for letting you down? The atmosphere inside Conseco makes me long for MSA in the mid 90's.
It is because of the arrogance and the Pacers Organization and the NBA in general.
Adam

Indianapolis, IN

#85 Feb 22, 2007
zionsville wrote:
I think most people miss the old team - the Reggie years - and rather than change, they would rather complain.....
This is correct in multiple ways. Short and to the point. You sir, get a gold star :)
Adam

Indianapolis, IN

#86 Feb 22, 2007
Mother of Two wrote:
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SHUT UP! Reggie, Rick, Mark, Dale and Tony were rich and black and we loved them. Explain that you idiot!
I've been staying away from the race issue but I couldn't resist... did you just call Rik Smits black?
Chilly

Indianapolis, IN

#87 Feb 22, 2007
rOSS JOHNSON wrote:
THIS COUNTRY TOWN DOES NOT NEED A PRO TEAM, A BIG CITY WOULD NOT CONSIDER THESE ACT BREAKING NEWS.What these racist want is an all white team, let them have it
RACISM, RACISM, RACISM. Indianapolis, you are no longer free to question the acts of anyone who isn't white in Indiana. If you do, you are a racist. What is wrong with people? It's not about color you moron. It's about people with your attitude that think it's okay to behave in this manner. Lest we forget, these players are paid MILLIONS of dollars to be PROFESSIONALS and ROLE MODELS. If they don't want that responsibility then give the money back and the organization will pay someone who will. Oh, but you can't do that with the POT SMOKING THUGS in the NBA because they are gauranteed their money no matter how ignorant or childish they act. And we wonder why we can't win in a gold in the Olympics in B-ball.
fan

Indianapolis, IN

#88 Feb 22, 2007
Adam wrote:
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Can you please point out these "repeated incidents" over the last 3 years? Please be specific. By my count, there was the brawl (an on-court incident in which the participants are no longer part of this team), and then the 2 incidents this year involving Tinsley and Daniels (Tinsley who was NOT involved in the brawl, and Daniels who is new to the team this season).
By everyone's response to Club Rio, you would have thought the entire team had been in-and-out of jail for the last 2 years. This is not the case. So please, add some more examples of "repeated incidents" if you could.
Mr Adam

Whether we have had too much press or too much harshness is not real important. The real issue (which I went into much detail is an earlier post) is that the basic fact is, those 2 Pacers make us as a city look bad. We have a reputation now that we don't want
Gerald Jennings

Leipsic, OH

#89 Feb 22, 2007
Oh get off it, Kravitz (and you're percieved by by many fans as a man who never has a positive word to say about the Pacers, by the way)we're living in a country where a man (Scooter Libby) is being hounded by a prosecutor and may be going to jail for a non-crime (having a faulty memory and outing a covert CIA agent who was never a covert CIA agent) and where other athletes (at Duke) have had to pay tens of thousands of dollars defending themselves from the lies of some slut, but nonetheless have had their reputations dragged through the mud by the actions of a renegade District Attorney. As for the witnesses who testified for the grand jury, we don't know a damned thing about them and what if any axes they may have to grind in this matter. I have a suspicion those witnesses will be revealed to be disinterested innocent bystanders.

If Tinsley and Daniels are laying, then they should recieve punishment according to the law. But before
engaging in your own little metaphorical lynching, let's wait for the evidence, OK?
Mother of Two

Mooresville, IN

#90 Feb 22, 2007
Adam wrote:
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I've been staying away from the race issue but I couldn't resist... did you just call Rik Smits black?
Of course not. He was a part of that team that we LOVED.
MIKE

United States

#91 Feb 22, 2007
I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE A PACERS FAN, BUT I AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY THAT FEEL SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO SHOW THAT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE BEHAVIOR LIKE THAT OF JAMAAL AND OTHERS WHO DO NOT SHOW GOOD JUDGEMENT WHEN IT COMES TO OFF THE COURT BEHAVIOR. WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT PLAYERS WHO DISPLAY THOSE OFF COURT ANTICS BE BENCHED PERMANENTLY UNTIL WE CAN TRADE OR GET RID OF THEM AND REPLACE THEM WITH PLAYERS WHO SHOW THIER PROFESSIONALISM ON AND OFF THE COURT. CARLISLE AND BIRD NEED TO TAKE CONTROL AND DO SOMETHING TO SHOW THE FANS THAT THEY MEANBUSINESS!
Aaron Babb

O Fallon, MO

#92 Feb 22, 2007
Scooter Libby leaked the identity of a covert CIA agent to hurt a political opponent. Libby and Karl Rove are about as good of role models as Tinsley and Daniels. Sometimes I cant help but shake my head at some of the idiots that share this country with us.
MrDon

Fort Wayne, IN

#93 Feb 22, 2007
Adam wrote:
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I've been staying away from the race issue but I couldn't resist... did you just call Rik Smits black?
haven't you ever heard of "dutch black"?
MrDon

Fort Wayne, IN

#94 Feb 22, 2007
Mr. Kravitz, here's something to ask Mr. Walsh about:

I've been a Pacer fan for thirty years....and back when Barkley asked for a trade around 92 from Philly (or maybe from PHX to HOU) I was at a meeting where Donnie Walsh spoke. Remember, Barkley was a bad boy when he played, got in fights, spit on a fan, threw some guy (deservedly probably) through a window..."I'm not a role model."

Anyway, someone asked Donnie Walsh about getting Charles Barkley. His response was "I'd love to have him on my team, but I wouldn't want him in my community." My, how times (and Donnie) have changed.
Reality Bites

United States

#95 Feb 22, 2007
zionsville wrote:
I think this entire incident is getting blown out of proportion. First and foremost, our system is based on innocent until proven guilty - Jamaal and Marquis need their day in court. Second, the expression "I'll kill you", even IF SAID, which has not yet been proven, is probably uttered everyday, especially in settings like the one described. I can't help but believe that if this incident involved anybody else besides some Pacers, this would never have seen the light of day. I am tired of the presumption of guilt, especially with Jamaal. Lets give him some support.
You people just don't get it. If we had a clean team and history, yea, I would probably be more supportive. But how ignorant do you have to be to completely ignore the history? Who else was at the 8 second saloon for the last fight with Stephen Jackson? Oh, that's right...it was Tinsley and Marquis Daniels. What's that old saying..if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
or maybe you prefer "where there's smoke there's fire". Either way, only the naive are still being supportive of our problem players.
MrDon

Fort Wayne, IN

#96 Feb 22, 2007
One more thing....

What if Tinsley had stats like Kobe or Kidd or Iverson....I think those three have had mug shots taken, haven't they?

This is not to excuse unlawful behavior , but just pointing out the inconsistencies with fans and the double standard we can apply. If the Pacers win the NBA championship with Tinsley MVP, who would call for a trade next summer? There will be some - but assuming the guy can stay out of more trouble - most will move on I bet.
MIKE

United States

#97 Feb 22, 2007
THE SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM IS SIMPLE. EVEN IF THESE PLAYERS HAVE GUARANTEED CONTRACTS THE TIME THAT THEY PLAY ON THE COURT IS NOT. BENCH THESE SILLY PLAYERS PERMANENTLY! AND PLAY THE ONES WHO KNOW HOW TO BE RESPONSIBNLE ON AND OFF THE COURT. AFTER ALL IT'S NOT LIKE TINSLEY OR DANIELS ARE MARQUIS PLAYERS LIKE JERMAINE. THIS WOULD SEND A MESSAGE TO THEM AS STRONGLY AS THE SEASON SUSPENSION THAT THE LEAGUE IMPOSED ON ARTEST AFTER THE BRAWL. IT'S TIME FOR COACH, GM, AND OWNERS TO TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY AND SHOW THESE MISFITS WHO IS IN CHARGE.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#98 Feb 22, 2007
Sorry, BK, comparing Rhodes' DUI with Daniels and Tinsley's situation is far different ... like comparing apples to oranges.

The Pacers seemed to be reminding both the media and public not to rush to judgement.

The problem with that is after a while of bad publicity, like the brawl, artest, jackson, etc ... it gets old - that's what the Pacers need to be troubled by, and thats what they should be saying during media visits. It's a long paper trail and regardless of guilt, it's bringing discredit to the Pacers as an organization - that should be troubling!

In Rhodes case, there's no defense for it, hence why Mr. Polian was "troubled" by it.
WHat

Bedford, MA

#99 Feb 22, 2007
rOSS JOHNSON wrote:
THIS COUNTRY TOWN DOES NOT NEED A PRO TEAM, A BIG CITY WOULD NOT CONSIDER THESE ACT BREAKING NEWS.What these racist want is an all white team, let them have it
Is that what it takes to get law abiding players?
The Crapper

United States

#100 Feb 22, 2007
What's that old saying "If you mess with sh$$ long enough, YOU WILL GET IT ON YOU" and that's what has happened to some the pacer and players like Pac-man Jone....It doesnt matter if they are guilty or not guilty....They run with sh$$ and now its all over them...
Willy Hay

Chicago, IL

#101 Feb 22, 2007
We were all a bit wild in our younger days, maybe even got in a bit of trouble, or just got lucky and avoided getting caught. In any case, Bird and Walsh are not the problem. I think it's the drinking water in Indy. It's really bad! Visit from out of town and you'll know what I mean. Larry and Donnie, BUY BOTTLED WATER! Go Pacers!
Randy Rowan

United States

#102 Feb 22, 2007
Larry Legend, I still believe in you. Anybody who leaves IU and rides a garbage truck; then goes on to win NBA championships can never be dissed. But Kravitz is a terrific sports reporter, and I agree with everything he says (except an item that you should be held responsible for the team's legal problems.) You're an athlete, and it's a closed community.

And Larry, I loved what you said about D.J. today.

And Bob, even though I'm light years away in San Antonio, I graduated IU, and I love your columns. The Star is fortunate to have you, and I hope you're making big bucks. If you aren't, please don't leave.

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