Pacers take defensive posture

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In my 25 years in this business, I've read a lot of news releases and team statements.

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zionsville

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Feb 22, 2007
 
I think this entire incident is getting blown out of proportion. First and foremost, our system is based on innocent until proven guilty - Jamaal and Marquis need their day in court. Second, the expression "I'll kill you", even IF SAID, which has not yet been proven, is probably uttered everyday, especially in settings like the one described. I can't help but believe that if this incident involved anybody else besides some Pacers, this would never have seen the light of day. I am tired of the presumption of guilt, especially with Jamaal. Lets give him some support.
Indianapolis

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Feb 22, 2007
 
Loser...see below.
Greatindy

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Feb 22, 2007
 
Thanks, Bob, for being straightforward. The Pacers have become a pathetic organization. I'm very disappointed and sad for the loss of what they meant to the city at one time... a few years ago.
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#4
Feb 22, 2007
 
It's not about the presumption of guilt or innocence. What it's about is for the past 3 plus years, there has just been way too much bad news coming out of the Pacers camp. It is just one thing after another with those clowns and seemingly no plan to stop it. This is not just a local matter. People around the country look at the Pacers as a JOKE and
people around here are just sick of it. We have provided the team what many regard as the finest sporting facility in the world (Conseco). Don't we deserve a little better for our investment?
Ball in their court

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Feb 22, 2007
 
zionsville wrote:
I think this entire incident is getting blown out of proportion. First and foremost, our system is based on innocent until proven guilty - Jamaal and Marquis need their day in court. Second, the expression "I'll kill you", even IF SAID, which has not yet been proven, is probably uttered everyday, especially in settings like the one described. I can't help but believe that if this incident involved anybody else besides some Pacers, this would never have seen the light of day. I am tired of the presumption of guilt, especially with Jamaal. Lets give him some support.
If you feel you are still being well served by your team, then by all means, you give them your support.(Hopefully you can afford to buy all those empty seats at home games.) But don't try to guilt the rest of us for feeling betrayed by an organization that we have given our hearts to for the past 40 years. Guilty or innocent, the players owe it to their team and fans to avoid trouble. And that means avoiding places where trouble resides. In an organization as shipwrecked as the Pacers, that needs a PR break so desperately, Jamaal and company have repeatedly shown just how selfish they are with their reluctance to avoid frequenting "trouble spots."
If that team wants our sympathy they first must become sympathetic,not just "pathetic."
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Feb 22, 2007
 
the post from Zionsville has it right. Kravitz has become Nancy Grace.....guilty until proven innocent......especially if those involved are rich and black. Get the rope out Bob and continue Indiana's rich history of lynchings.
Wha Happened

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#7
Feb 22, 2007
 
zionsville.....sorry try again.

Greatindy and Slick...good posts...no need to say more.
The France Family

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Feb 22, 2007
 
xnaptowner wrote:
the post from Zionsville has it right. Kravitz has become Nancy Grace.....guilty until proven innocent......especially if those involved are rich and black. Get the rope out Bob and continue Indiana's rich history of lynchings.
Pick up your "race card" and put it back in the deck until you need it. You might be seeing a different point of view if you weren't an "ex" naptowner. People around here are sick of all the bad news with their morning sports report. Have fun in the utopia that is Reston, Virginia.
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Feb 22, 2007
 
It's well known around town through people that interact with Tinsley that he is typical of the thugs that are ruining the NBA. The entire league is going down the toilet. Look what happened in Vegas this past weekend.

When Jackson was sent packing, Tinsley should have been on the same bus. Get rid of the thugs. I would rather be mediocre that win with thugs and felons.

Larry Legend, please bring honor back to Indiana basketball.
Mike

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Feb 22, 2007
 
zionsville wrote:
I think this entire incident is getting blown out of proportion. First and foremost, our system is based on innocent until proven guilty - Jamaal and Marquis need their day in court. Second, the expression "I'll kill you", even IF SAID, which has not yet been proven, is probably uttered everyday, especially in settings like the one described. I can't help but believe that if this incident involved anybody else besides some Pacers, this would never have seen the light of day. I am tired of the presumption of guilt, especially with Jamaal. Lets give him some support.
You've posted this exact same post in at least one other discussion thread? Are you a member of the players' PR team?

The problem is that the facts of this individual case are irrelevant. The real trial going on here is in the court of public opinion, and the Pacer's have lost. They must now serve the sentence - get rid of problem players and management and rebuild with a new approach towards personal accountability.

Whether or not Tinsley really threatened someone is almost irrelevant - the issue is that as the point guard he is a team leader and he showed idiotic judgment by putting himself in a position to get in an argument at a bar after he had already had a recent legal problem and the entire team was under a microscope. He should lay low and stay out of bars, or if he goes, shut his mouth and walk away from potential conflicts. That's called personal responsibility for one's behavior and it is the price of fame. He doesn't get that, and clearly never will, so the Pacers need to get rid of him if they are ever going to move on in restoring this team to integrity.
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Feb 22, 2007
 
I THINK BOB KRAVITZ IS BIASED ON THE COLTS. THEY ARE NO ANGELS. THEY HAVE HAD DUI'S, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND THROWN OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL BASKET BALL GAMES, AND WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE THAT WAS KEPT QUIET. IT SEEMS THAT YOU AND THE MEDIA ARE JUST PICKING ON THE PACERS LATELY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO. LETS LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE TILL WE DO FIND OUT THE TRUTH AND NOT SPECULATE. WE HAVE ENOUGH TROUBLE IN THIS WORLD WITHOUT DEMORALIZING PEOPLE BEFORE THEY ARE FUND GUILTY OR INNOCENT. EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINION AND THE TOWN OF INDIANAPOLIS SHOULD STAND BEHIND THEIR TEAMS UNTIL WE FIND OUT THE TRUTH. I HAVE BEEN A PACER FAN IN THE PAST AND WILL ALWAYS BE A PACER FAN. EVERYONE IS NOT PERFECT.
No Longer a Pacers Fan

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Feb 22, 2007
 
What you forget is- this is NOT the first incidence of trouble. It continues to spiral with no accountability from the players or the Pacers orginazation. Blown out of proportion? How can you say that when they continue to make bad choices (being in a bar into the early morning hours) before a game. Nothing good happens at that hour!Then they continue to blame everyone else or make excuses for their bad choices. I supported them the first time around, everyone makes mistakes.Obiously they didn't learn from the first, second, or third times around because there is never anything but excuses from players,coaches,owners,and president. It is always someone elses fault. I want a team back Indiana that I can be proud of. The players don't care whether they have our respect or not or they would be ashamed of their past behavior and get it cleaned up. The real victims in all of this are the guys like Jermaine who come out and work hard and keep their nose clean. I don't know how they continue to play hard and come out every night when all this turmoil is going on all the time. Now add the attorney to the list of whiners in the Pacers orginazation!
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#13
Feb 22, 2007
 
Bob, when the Pacers refered to media coverage, I believe that they were thinking beyond your little column. We do have a few other news sources in Indy, not to mention the national press that continues to cover this story. Just like the Pacers, you are hardly the only game in town.
Tinsley is a loser

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#14
Feb 22, 2007
 
To my knowledge, the Pacer oraganization has never expressed remorse about the actions of their players. They've always maintained that it was somebody else's fault or that they were miunderstood. Whether it was the brawl, or the latest incidents clubs, it was not the fault of the Pacers.

I think it's time they accepted some responsibility for the perception that has been established in the past few years regarding the Pacers. Bad things happen to people who put themselves in bad situations. I guess that applies to organizations as well as individuals.

Oh and by the way, Tinsley is still a loser. When he displays even the smallest amount of maturity (as a player, but even more so as a person) then I'll stop the bashing. In his time in the NBA he has yet to develop the work ethic required to be an excellent player. I understand that not every player can be on the elite level, but he has yet to demonstrate even an inkling of the amount of dedication and commitment that is required to reach that status. Injuries due to bad conditioning, failure to execute gameplans, boneheaded mistakes during the game, run-ins with the law at all hours... These are all indicative of immaturity, not thug-ness.

Until he grows up, he's still a loser.
Five Banners

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Feb 22, 2007
 
Carol said "I THINK BOB KRAVITZ IS BIASED ON THE COLTS. THEY ARE NO ANGELS. THEY HAVE HAD DUI'S, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND THROWN OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL BASKET BALL GAMES, AND WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE THAT WAS KEPT QUIET. IT SEEMS THAT YOU AND THE MEDIA ARE JUST PICKING ON THE PACERS LATELY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO. LETS LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE TILL WE DO FIND OUT THE TRUTH AND NOT SPECULATE. WE HAVE ENOUGH TROUBLE IN THIS WORLD WITHOUT DEMORALIZING PEOPLE BEFORE THEY ARE FUND GUILTY OR INNOCENT. EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINION AND THE TOWN OF INDIANAPOLIS SHOULD STAND BEHIND THEIR TEAMS UNTIL WE FIND OUT THE TRUTH. I HAVE BEEN A PACER FAN IN THE PAST AND WILL ALWAYS BE A PACER FAN. EVERYONE IS NOT PERFECT"

Carol, you being from Cincy know better than most how player's actions reflect on their team. The media in Atlanta are comparing the Pacers to the Bengals now.
There are certain individuals in life that never understand "right and wrong", who feel tehy are above the rules because of their fame, wealth or power. Great organizations either never bring players in like that because they do a great job of investigating their background or they do everything in their power to get rid of them. The Pacers have been doing a very poor job in their pre-hiring screening and are then in a bind when they need to get rid of certain players. It sounds like the fans are at a point where major housecleaning is needed and taking a chance in the lottery to rebuild might be the answer.
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#16
Feb 22, 2007
 
Thankfully, Indiana's colleges have produced great basketball this season. I haven't followed the Pacers since shortly after the Brawl, and I don't intend to anytime soon. IU, Purdue, and Butler have shown college hoops to still be a good TEAM game, and what's better, the players have pride, dignity, and play for their schools in a respectful manner. Our multi-millionaire Pacers could learn a few things from college kids who live in dorms and eat Ramen noodles.
Louisville Pacer

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#17
Feb 22, 2007
 
Biased on the Colts? Hey, Kravitz, send Carol's note on to Polian. HAHAHA!
I'm sure he'll meet you at Starbucks for a coffee and cookies next time you're up on the Northwestside.

I thought Bob's article was right on. Here's the point: Does anybody remember the Colts climbing into the stands and beating the crap out of fans? No.
It's apples and oranges, simple as that. To Bob's point, 3 indictments to 1 all-star.

Slick in Whiteland made a great point. The public has committed to the Pacers with their hard earned public dollars. If this does not stop, I can see public pressure forcing county and state officials, who are always up for election, to get involved.

If you want to increase your approval rating, then squeeze the local thugs to prove you're doing something. I'm not saying it's right, but if the opportunity is there, some politician will seize it.
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Feb 22, 2007
 
dwb wrote:
It's well known around town through people that interact with Tinsley that he is typical of the thugs that are ruining the NBA. The entire league is going down the toilet. Look what happened in Vegas this past weekend.
When Jackson was sent packing, Tinsley should have been on the same bus. Get rid of the thugs. I would rather be mediocre that win with thugs and felons.
Larry Legend, please bring honor back to Indiana basketball.
Doesn't seem like your watching "dwb". Because we are mediocre.

What's that old expression about ...'one bad apple'?
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#19
Feb 22, 2007
 
Usually I think Kravitz's is a dick, but he nailed this one to a tee. We really need to get new management and coaching hired before we can get a team the city can buy into
MrDon

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#21
Feb 22, 2007
 
TUG wrote:
Bob, when the Pacers refered to media coverage, I believe that they were thinking beyond your little column. We do have a few other news sources in Indy, not to mention the national press that continues to cover this story. Just like the Pacers, you are hardly the only game in town.
Agreed. Of all the things in the article, the one thing that made me raise my eyebrows was the insinuation that the Pacer press release was aimed at Mr. Kravitz's opinion. It seemed pretty self-centered, IMHO.

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