Undermanned Pacers fall to 76ers

Undermanned Pacers fall to 76ers

There are 18 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 10, 2007, titled Undermanned Pacers fall to 76ers. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Andre Iguodala scored 25 points, and the Philadelphia 76ers won their seventh straight Saturday night with a 100-96 victory over the Indiana Pacers, who have lost eight in a row.

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David Smith

Marysville, OH

#1 Mar 10, 2007
It's gonna take more then a new shirt for Ricky to get these thugs to win!

Congrats on the 8th loss in a row!
Greenwood Guy

Newport, KY

#3 Mar 10, 2007
Murphy, Granger, Armstrong...Sweet!
Coach blows it again...last quarter player rotations were stupid.
Reggie was in attendance! Maybe Bird called him to come in to tae over as Coach if Rick blew this one?
Or maybe come back and play for a bit?
No doubt they need a leader like him in some role.
at least

United States

#4 Mar 10, 2007
we saw some players tonight who were willing to work as a team and break a sweat.....they didnt win but were more fun to watch than the regular cry baby always injured lawbreaking thugs that we usually see.....1 game closer to having a draft pick!!!
Sammy

Milwaukee, WI

#5 Mar 10, 2007
At least they tried. That's all I ask. Just assemble a team that cares and get rid of the troublemakers, and I'll support the Pacers, Larry. I don't mind cheering for a bad team, but I'll never cheer for malcontent thugs.
Stan Hirtle

Ashville, OH

#6 Mar 10, 2007
Scratch your head about this team? If they are as bad as they now appear to be, how did they do so good for so long?
Main thought I have is that Carlisle should have been playing Diogu and maybe Greene and Williams more than he has. But particularly Diogu. The only way the trade works is if he develops, so throw him in there more than a handful of minutes, and live with his learning curve. I guess he wanted to use veterans and contend for home court in the playoffs, but now he's contending for the lottery.

Anyway various other ideas.
1. the team we are seeing now is not a very good team. Maybe Carlisle should be coach of the year for having them as high as they were before the league caught up with them.
2. All of the teams they have lost to on the streak are better teams.(mostly West teams with similar records but playing regularly against better opposition.) Look at their rosters and compare them to the Pacers. Most of the Pacers early wins came against bad Eastern teams or teams with guys out injured, or both. The schedule and injuries caught up with them.
3, O'Neal and Tinsley have been subpar with injuries, although they played until they had to stop, and Daniels, who seems to be a key man as the athlete on the perimeter, hasn't played. When Daniels doesn't play the Pacers lose.
4. The Pacers had to start over after the trade and are behind other teams that had the same roster all year.
5. The Pacers mostly lose because the other team gets and makes large numbers of free throws. Players like Granger, Dunleavy and Murphy may or may not make outside shots but they don't go to the basket and don't get fouled. And of course the Pacers are bad defensively, ao other teams do go to the basket and do get fouled.
6. At crunch time, when there is one, Tinsley usually gets the shot and he is a bad shooter. He is able to get a look but doesn't make it. But who else is there? Jackson used to take those and missed most of them also, but made a few. No one else can get open.
7. Granger remains their second best player and he is a second year guy with a very low plus minus ratio, meaning the team does worse when he is in the game. He is good and is going to be very good, but he is not yet able to carry a team to the playoffs. This is much less a veteran team than Pacers fans are used to.
8. The Pacer's team mentality is an issue, perhaps after all the tension and chaos of the last two years, plus being in the East and thinking they had a midlevel playoff spot made. But other teams like Chicago, Cleveland, Toronto, New York and Philadelphia have gotten better, and the Pacers have not, and they do not play with the urgency it takes to compete night in and night out.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#8 Mar 10, 2007
I'm very proud of our Pacers for playing with alot of heart, tonight! Lately they've fallen on hard times, but I felt they stepped up tonight, and I was really proud of them!

I admit I have been weak at giving support lately, but when they play like they did tonight, they remind me what it is to be a Pacers fan!

Thanks Pacers!!!!
Greenwood Guy

Newport, KY

#9 Mar 10, 2007
Stan Hirtle wrote:
Scratch your head about this team? If they are as bad as they now appear to be, how did they do so good for so long?
Main thought I have is that Carlisle should have been playing Diogu and maybe Greene and Williams more than he has. But particularly Diogu. The only way the trade works is if he develops, so throw him in there more than a handful of minutes, and live with his learning curve. I guess he wanted to use veterans and contend for home court in the playoffs, but now he's contending for the lottery.
Anyway various other ideas.
1. the team we are seeing now is not a very good team. Maybe Carlisle should be coach of the year for having them as high as they were before the league caught up with them.
2. All of the teams they have lost to on the streak are better teams.(mostly West teams with similar records but playing regularly against better opposition.) Look at their rosters and compare them to the Pacers. Most of the Pacers early wins came against bad Eastern teams or teams with guys out injured, or both. The schedule and injuries caught up with them.
3, O'Neal and Tinsley have been subpar with injuries, although they played until they had to stop, and Daniels, who seems to be a key man as the athlete on the perimeter, hasn't played. When Daniels doesn't play the Pacers lose.
4. The Pacers had to start over after the trade and are behind other teams that had the same roster all year.
5. The Pacers mostly lose because the other team gets and makes large numbers of free throws. Players like Granger, Dunleavy and Murphy may or may not make outside shots but they don't go to the basket and don't get fouled. And of course the Pacers are bad defensively, ao other teams do go to the basket and do get fouled.
6. At crunch time, when there is one, Tinsley usually gets the shot and he is a bad shooter. He is able to get a look but doesn't make it. But who else is there? Jackson used to take those and missed most of them also, but made a few. No one else can get open.
7. Granger remains their second best player and he is a second year guy with a very low plus minus ratio, meaning the team does worse when he is in the game. He is good and is going to be very good, but he is not yet able to carry a team to the playoffs. This is much less a veteran team than Pacers fans are used to.
8. The Pacer's team mentality is an issue, perhaps after all the tension and chaos of the last two years, plus being in the East and thinking they had a midlevel playoff spot made. But other teams like Chicago, Cleveland, Toronto, New York and Philadelphia have gotten better, and the Pacers have not, and they do not play with the urgency it takes to compete night in and night out.
Totally disagree with almost everything you stated.
Coaching is killing the Pacers, period.
Chris

United States

#11 Mar 10, 2007
oh dear lord. 8 in a row. what the hell is wrong with Bird? FIRE THE GODDAMN COACH!!!! CARLISLE SUCKS!! WHY'D HE GET THAT EXTENSION!?!??!?! HE'S TERRIBLE! BRING REGGIE IN TO COACH OR SOMETHING! ANYONE BUT CARLISLE. i think it's time.
eric

United States

#12 Mar 10, 2007
i agree 1000%. Carlisle's done. we have talent, he just don't know how to use it. nobody like's his system, get him out. the sooner the better. he sucks major ass
Carey from Carmel IN

Louisville, KY

#13 Mar 10, 2007
Pacers-if you keep playing with tonight's effort wins and fans will follow soon. Great quarters of true defensive intensity and running the floor.

We have to protect the ball better during transition to prevent the turnovers that plagued us late in the game. We got beat long on the "cherry pick" inbounds pass a few times because of slowness in transition from offense to defense after scoring-we must prevent these easy buckets!

We did not give up in the 4th and played hard the entire game. Just goes to show you it could be done without J.O. and Tinsley...

We did not win but a confidence builder for the entire team of contributors on both ends of the court. Team defense was the difference maker and hot aggressive shooting off the fast break. Better desire and heart overall! Surprised me I must say..
76ers

UK

#14 Mar 11, 2007
pacers suck any way 76ers rule !!!!!!!!!!
too little too late

United States

#15 Mar 11, 2007
suspended for one game.....Tinsley should be in jail [and maybe he will be soon] Any parent knows that if you permit misbehavior to go on and on and do nothing that you cant suddenly a year later start trying to correct it. You have already sent the message that the misbehavior is acceptable.....that is what the Pacer management has done with Tinsley, Daniels and even J.O.
Greenwood Guy

Newport, KY

#16 Mar 11, 2007
Carey from Carmel IN wrote:
Pacers-if you keep playing with tonight's effort wins and fans will follow soon. Great quarters of true defensive intensity and running the floor.
We have to protect the ball better during transition to prevent the turnovers that plagued us late in the game. We got beat long on the "cherry pick" inbounds pass a few times because of slowness in transition from offense to defense after scoring-we must prevent these easy buckets!
We did not give up in the 4th and played hard the entire game. Just goes to show you it could be done without J.O. and Tinsley...
We did not win but a confidence builder for the entire team of contributors on both ends of the court. Team defense was the difference maker and hot aggressive shooting off the fast break. Better desire and heart overall! Surprised me I must say..
Disagree. Defense was still very loose. Offense was better without the "O'Neal" factor and slower half court sets. Probably only because Philly played alot of zone and Carlisles boring a** half court offense isn't set up so much against it.
Wish the defense would play tight up on the ball and tight deny off the ball, like Phoenix does.
Pat Summit has some great defensive techniques, maybe we can get her to coach?
Like someone else said, anyone but Carlisle, he has lost control and apparently has limited offensive vision.
Carey from Carmel IN

Louisville, KY

#17 Mar 14, 2007
Greenwood Guy wrote:
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Disagree. Defense was still very loose. Offense was better without the "O'Neal" factor and slower half court sets. Probably only because Philly played alot of zone and Carlisles boring a** half court offense isn't set up so much against it.
Wish the defense would play tight up on the ball and tight deny off the ball, like Phoenix does.
Pat Summit has some great defensive techniques, maybe we can get her to coach?
Like someone else said, anyone but Carlisle, he has lost control and apparently has limited offensive vision.
Yeah-I agree Carlisle needs to let them run instead of all the half court sets...he looks like he is at Mass or Church for Good Friday or Easter Sunday or something-well maybe a Wake or Funeral lately! No wonder the players may not feel much chemistry with his offense..kind of bland/ uninspired overall as a coach. Hey-more power to him if it works though I guess..
Mr Pacer

Indianapolis, IN

#18 Mar 15, 2007
THUGS THUGS THUGS LOSERS LOSERS LOSERS THUGS THUGS
Jospeh

United States

#19 Apr 14, 2007
I hate to see these guys struggle so muuch...I cry at night because they just can't seem win. I miss the good ol days when a playoff berth was basically guaranteed after the 1st game. When you were forced to respect them. The 50+ win seasons, guaranteed to win 50+. I'm gonna go cry now.
drew

United States

#20 Apr 15, 2007
fuuk u "mr. pacer" u beeitchazz fuukazz titazz beeittch. they some thugs but they givin naptown a good rep. they some OGs. they aint take no sheeit. YAYAAAAAA
Indy resident

Indianapolis, IN

#21 Apr 15, 2007
I agree 100%
Mr Pacer wrote:
THUGS THUGS THUGS LOSERS LOSERS LOSERS THUGS THUGS

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