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Minnesota Timberwolves' David Kahn, Ryan Gomes grasp the urgency

There are 21 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jun 8, 2009, titled Minnesota Timberwolves' David Kahn, Ryan Gomes grasp the urgency. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Three weeks into his tenure as head of basketball operations for the Minnesota Timberwolves, David Kahn is still something of a mystery to me.

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“Obamacs at it's finest!”

Since: Mar 09

Anytown, Minnesota........

#1 Jun 8, 2009
blah, blah, blah...after 20 years it is real old and to the point where , judging by the number of posts here, well no one apparantly cares anymore, me included.....stop the talk and all the other crap and prove it on the court where it matters....and we all know that aint gonna happen ...........if it does I doubt I'll live long enough to see it....Peace Out..............
Marcus

Maple Grove, MN

#3 Jun 8, 2009
Getting a new GM and an outsider at that is something new and positive. Let's see what Kahn does. He has some things to work with to begin his reign. 3 first round draft picks being the best bargaining chips. He has expiring contracts to work with the best being Miller. PG is a huge need for the Wolves, but obviously there are other needs as well, except for PF. the Wolves need upgrades and depth. Plenty of needs, but PG runs the team, so that is most important. I'm eager to see what Kahn's first couple of moves are 1. who's the coach and 2. Who does he draft
Jolly Green

Mount Sinai, NY

#4 Jun 8, 2009
#6 I really like Johnny Flynn. A lot of mock drafts don't have him going this high, but I think he fits most completely with what the Wolves need. Hopefully Mr. Kahn takes a long look at him.
If they could do that and find a way to move up and grab Earl Clark I would call it a huge success.
What other draft opinions are out there?
Trade UP

Isanti, MN

#5 Jun 8, 2009
There are only two sure things in this draft and we already have a two PFs. Get Rubio! We need Rubio!
Gomes

Davis, SD

#6 Jun 8, 2009
I like what I am hearing from him. I think he has the right mindset and hopefully others in the organization will follow his lead. Hopefully Kahn can right this ship....a fresh face was badly needed.
Mike - formerly St Paul

Oceanside, CA

#7 Jun 8, 2009
I was right on Robin Lopez last year - stiff.
I was right on whom they should pick & KEEP - Mayo.
The trade of Mario C. for cash turned into a joke. He was a decent rookie last year.
So, here we go with some advice, not so humbly, for the new guy, whatever the hell the title is now:
Hey Mr. Kahn, some words of advice:
1) All this talk of trading the picks and/or trading a pick for possible cash should have any Wolves fan cancelling their season tickets on the spot. The previous idiots running the operation couldn't learn anything, apparently, from their mistakes. Mr. Kahn, don't repeat the previous mistakes.
2) The last thing I'm doing is trading a pick for cash or trading a pick once it's made, especially on draft night. The last two (Mayo & Roy) turned into obvious fiascos.
3) Unless your packaging two of your three first round picks,(or a first & a second) to move up and take a Rubio, don't do it, especially to trade down. You need guard help and there is plenty at your first two spots in the draft.
4) Usually the mock draft boards are not this bad; this year seems to be an exception. They keep projecting Minnesota to take a Power Forward, which is the LAST POSITION you should be drafting for unless you had a top three pick to make on a certain Hall of Famer that's better than Jefferson. But maybe they've learned how the Wolves keep taking the wrong players. They've built it into the draft. So many of them have the Wolves taking a PF or stiff center like Mullins in the first round at one or more of the three picks. Since the consensus seems to be there is no one who fits that description, Scratch any PF from your draft board in round one, unless they can play a legit NBA #3.
Kahn, stick to a plan that focuses on the #4,#5, 3 spots. If your predecessor had been competent and kept Mayo and taken Stuckey instead of Brewer you'd be adding piece #4 to the plan, a PG. Actually, if your predecessor had been competent the past four years, you'd only be searching for a center and bench players at this point.
5) Same with center. There is ONE shot-blocking defensive center in this draft and he will not be there by pick six. Besides, do you really need a skinny defensive specialist at center who can be pushed around by 2/3rds of the league's current centers?(I thought not!)
Do not pick big stiffs at center later in the 1st round of the draft like Mullins. Again, Rome wasn't built in a day. Stick to a plan.
6) Focus on this: You need to come out of this draft with a PG & SG better than what you have now.(This shouldn't be hard to do.)You need two of the picks at least to pick the right player and all three picks to pick three guards, hoping you've hit on two of the right ones. This should help narrow the focus of your preparation.
7) Get the talent and stop trading it, either on draft night or before it fully matures.(A shooting guard like Mayo, which we now still need, for Love, a Power Forward which we already had. The team trading away a Ray Allen, or a Billups, was stupid. For God's sake, do not trade any of these picks for journeymen NBA players or washed out 3-4 year players. There's reason team's want to part with them. I'd only trade a pick for more and better future/current trade picks.
So remember Mr. Kahn,
Small steps man, small steps.
BUT MAKE THEM COUNT FOR ONCE!!!!
Mike - formerly St Paul

Oceanside, CA

#8 Jun 8, 2009
Okay, my editing is terrible, That should have been, of course, focus on the #1,#2, and #3 spots.

This is what happens when you piece together advice for a team run this badly with so many things to work on.
Dicky

United States

#9 Jun 8, 2009
Mike - formerly of St. Paul,
I agree with most of what you said, especially about them needing a lot of help. However, a couple of things I would add: I think if they can in any way trade up the 6th pick and one of their other picks (or current players) to get either Rubio or Thabeet, I think they should do it. Otherwise, hopefully they can pick 3 guards (hopefully a couple pan out) and stick them with Miller, Foye, Gomes, Jefferson, and Love.
It's not great (unless they got really lucky), but it is a good start.
By the way, they were looking at Brooke Lopez and not Robin Lopez last year. Brooke was pretty solid with the Nets (13 ppg, 8 rpg, 1.8 bpg).
hmmm

Davis, SD

#10 Jun 8, 2009
Mike - formerly St Paul wrote:
I was right on Robin Lopez last year - stiff.
I was right on whom they should pick & KEEP - Mayo.
The trade of Mario C. for cash turned into a joke. He was a decent rookie last year.
So, here we go with some advice, not so humbly, for the new guy, whatever the hell the title is now:
Hey Mr. Kahn, some words of advice:
1) All this talk of trading the picks and/or trading a pick for possible cash should have any Wolves fan cancelling their season tickets on the spot. The previous idiots running the operation couldn't learn anything, apparently, from their mistakes. Mr. Kahn, don't repeat the previous mistakes.
2) The last thing I'm doing is trading a pick for cash or trading a pick once it's made, especially on draft night. The last two (Mayo & Roy) turned into obvious fiascos.
3) Unless your packaging two of your three first round picks,(or a first & a second) to move up and take a Rubio, don't do it, especially to trade down. You need guard help and there is plenty at your first two spots in the draft.
4) Usually the mock draft boards are not this bad; this year seems to be an exception. They keep projecting Minnesota to take a Power Forward, which is the LAST POSITION you should be drafting for unless you had a top three pick to make on a certain Hall of Famer that's better than Jefferson. But maybe they've learned how the Wolves keep taking the wrong players. They've built it into the draft. So many of them have the Wolves taking a PF or stiff center like Mullins in the first round at one or more of the three picks. Since the consensus seems to be there is no one who fits that description, Scratch any PF from your draft board in round one, unless they can play a legit NBA #3.
Kahn, stick to a plan that focuses on the #4,#5, 3 spots. If your predecessor had been competent and kept Mayo and taken Stuckey instead of Brewer you'd be adding piece #4 to the plan, a PG. Actually, if your predecessor had been competent the past four years, you'd only be searching for a center and bench players at this point.
5) Same with center. There is ONE shot-blocking defensive center in this draft and he will not be there by pick six. Besides, do you really need a skinny defensive specialist at center who can be pushed around by 2/3rds of the league's current centers?(I thought not!)
Do not pick big stiffs at center later in the 1st round of the draft like Mullins. Again, Rome wasn't built in a day. Stick to a plan.
6) Focus on this: You need to come out of this draft with a PG & SG better than what you have now.(This shouldn't be hard to do.)You need two of the picks at least to pick the right player and all three picks to pick three guards, hoping you've hit on two of the right ones. This should help narrow the focus of your preparation.
7) Get the talent and stop trading it, either on draft night or before it fully matures.(A shooting guard like Mayo, which we now still need, for Love, a Power Forward which we already had. The team trading away a Ray Allen, or a Billups, was stupid. For God's sake, do not trade any of these picks for journeymen NBA players or washed out 3-4 year players. There's reason team's want to part with them. I'd only trade a pick for more and better future/current trade picks.
So remember Mr. Kahn,
Small steps man, small steps.
BUT MAKE THEM COUNT FOR ONCE!!!!
what? I didn't get all that, could you say that again?
d mcclay

Oklahoma City, OK

#11 Jun 8, 2009
trade 6 to new jersey for 11 and more.
nets own their first and dallas first 2010 and a possible golden st first 2011 or beyond.
is there much difference in guards between 6 +11 ?
maybe dirk will get hurt and the mavs will s_ck next year.
HENRY

United States

#12 Jun 8, 2009
I wish I had a direct line to G.M. Kahn 'cause this seems so simple - it helps all trading partners - and that's what make trades happen- right?
Three way trade:
1) Wolves give Cardinal, Miller, and their 6th, 18th, and 28th pick to the Clippers for the Clippers 1st pick and Zach Randolph.
2) The Clippers give these 3 picks to Memphis for their 2nd round pick.
3) Memphis now has 4 1st round pic2ks to use for draft picks or use for trade bait for veterans they may need in their line up.
4) Wolves gain inside help- who's gonna get a rebound with Jefferson, Love and Randolph on the front line? They use the Clippers 1st pick for Rubio which not only solves their point guard problem but puts them #1 in NBA jersey sales with Timberwolves "Ricky" jersey sales and gets their sleeping fanbase excited again.
5) Clippers still get Griffin with the #2 pick and get rid of Randolph's contract (2 years remaining) for two players with only one year remaining each.
6) When Randolph's contract expires the wolves have the European center the drafter last year at #31 to take over.
7) Future bloggers: what's wrong with this? Please give me your opinions! thanks!
John

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Jun 8, 2009
Henry....are you out of your mind thats the dumbest trade i have ever heard, seriously, what are you thinking cmon now, wow Zach Randolph?
Jolly Green

Mount Sinai, NY

#14 Jun 9, 2009
HENRY wrote:
I wish I had a direct line to G.M. Kahn 'cause this seems so simple - it helps all trading partners - and that's what make trades happen- right?
Three way trade:
1) Wolves give Cardinal, Miller, and their 6th, 18th, and 28th pick to the Clippers for the Clippers 1st pick and Zach Randolph.
2) The Clippers give these 3 picks to Memphis for their 2nd round pick.
3) Memphis now has 4 1st round pic2ks to use for draft picks or use for trade bait for veterans they may need in their line up.
4) Wolves gain inside help- who's gonna get a rebound with Jefferson, Love and Randolph on the front line? They use the Clippers 1st pick for Rubio which not only solves their point guard problem but puts them #1 in NBA jersey sales with Timberwolves "Ricky" jersey sales and gets their sleeping fanbase excited again.
5) Clippers still get Griffin with the #2 pick and get rid of Randolph's contract (2 years remaining) for two players with only one year remaining each.
6) When Randolph's contract expires the wolves have the European center the drafter last year at #31 to take over.
7) Future bloggers: what's wrong with this? Please give me your opinions! thanks!
I'm not sure about this one. It is a mighty price to pay for one point guard - all our first round picks, all expiring contracts, and being hamstrung wtih Randolph's contract. Zach is a blackhole in the middle. I do not think he is the type of player that will allow Al to improve and turn out to be the top notch player he can be. I don't want him.
d mcclay

Oklahoma City, OK

#15 Jun 9, 2009
HENRY wrote:
I wish I had a direct line to G.M. Kahn 'cause this seems so simple - it helps all trading partners - and that's what make trades happen- right?
Three way trade:
1) Wolves give Cardinal, Miller, and their 6th, 18th, and 28th pick to the Clippers for the Clippers 1st pick and Zach Randolph.
2) The Clippers give these 3 picks to Memphis for their 2nd round pick.
3) Memphis now has 4 1st round pic2ks to use for draft picks or use for trade bait for veterans they may need in their line up.
4) Wolves gain inside help- who's gonna get a rebound with Jefferson, Love and Randolph on the front line? They use the Clippers 1st pick for Rubio which not only solves their point guard problem but puts them #1 in NBA jersey sales with Timberwolves "Ricky" jersey sales and gets their sleeping fanbase excited again.
5) Clippers still get Griffin with the #2 pick and get rid of Randolph's contract (2 years remaining) for two players with only one year remaining each.
6) When Randolph's contract expires the wolves have the European center the drafter last year at #31 to take over.
7) Future bloggers: what's wrong with this? Please give me your opinions! thanks!
what about just sending all three firsts to memphis for the #2 pick and by passing clippers.

if above (henry idea) was done, wolves should also get the draft pick they owe clippers wiped off the books.
Mike-formely St Paul

Oceanside, CA

#16 Jun 9, 2009
d mcclay wrote:
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what about just sending all three firsts to memphis for the #2 pick and by passing clippers.
if above (henry idea) was done, wolves should also get the draft pick they owe clippers wiped off the books.
Why don't we just construct a typical Wolves draft night scenario, based on their past history?
Here we go:

Wolves trade Jefferson, two first round picks this year and another first rounder next year, to move up on draft night.

Wolves select above-average player,(name doesn’t matter, insert whatever name you want here cause they'll be a Timberwolves for less than two hours.)

The T-Wolves trade player to one of ten worst NBA teams for a worse player just drafted, probably a Power Forward which they did not originally need when they started this scenario.(Insert any big man's name here. Mullen will do.) In addition, they owe the other team a second round draft choice this year and the Wolves give up Miller and Madsen.

With their remaining first round choice, the Wolves select their hidden draft find that Asst. GM Fred H. has found after year's of McHale tutelage: Rodney 'I’m apathetic' Jones. A real find from 'Nowhere State University'.

Just to be sure to round out the team, the Wolves trade their remaining second round pick for cash.

Now ladies & gentlemen THAT is a real MN Timberwolves draft scenario!
Mike-formely St Paul

Oceanside, CA

#17 Jun 9, 2009
hmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
what? I didn't get all that, could you say that again?
McHale, is that on the board again?
Mike-formely St Paul

Oceanside, CA

#18 Jun 9, 2009
Dicky wrote:
Mike - formerly of St. Paul,
I agree with most of what you said, especially about them needing a lot of help. However, a couple of things I would add: I think if they can in any way trade up the 6th pick and one of their other picks (or current players) to get either Rubio or Thabeet, I think they should do it. Otherwise, hopefully they can pick 3 guards (hopefully a couple pan out) and stick them with Miller, Foye, Gomes, Jefferson, and Love.
It's not great (unless they got really lucky), but it is a good start.
By the way, they were looking at Brooke Lopez and not Robin Lopez last year. Brooke was pretty solid with the Nets (13 ppg, 8 rpg, 1.8 bpg).
Before last year's draft, some of the 'mock drafts' were predicting Wolves would draft ROBIN LOPEZ last year, after the Brook Lopez scenario cooled off.

I repeatedly wrote comments not to draft Robin Lopez.

I didn't mix the names up.
I know the Wolves worked out his twin brother Brook, but they also had some interest in Robin Lopez, especially right until the last couple of weeks before the draft. When Robin ran in an NBA pre-draft workout, everyone could understand why I called Robin, not his brother,'SLOPEZ'.

And I was right about ROBIN LOPEZ, the twin brother who played center in high school and college, of the two. Brook, even though listed as a center/post, played mostly away from the basket in high school.

Look at Robin's stats during his NBA rookie year. Did you watch any of Robin in an NBA game?

I've seen the brothers since high school so, I didn't mix them up.

Robin Lopez of the Suns is SLOPEZ.
Mike-formely St Paul

Oceanside, CA

#19 Jun 9, 2009
HENRY wrote:
I wish I had a direct line to G.M. Kahn 'cause this seems so simple - it helps all trading partners - and that's what make trades happen- right?
Three way trade:
1) Wolves give Cardinal, Miller, and their 6th, 18th, and 28th pick to the Clippers for the Clippers 1st pick and Zach Randolph.
2) The Clippers give these 3 picks to Memphis for their 2nd round pick.
3) Memphis now has 4 1st round pic2ks to use for draft picks or use for trade bait for veterans they may need in their line up.
4) Wolves gain inside help- who's gonna get a rebound with Jefferson, Love and Randolph on the front line? They use the Clippers 1st pick for Rubio which not only solves their point guard problem but puts them #1 in NBA jersey sales with Timberwolves "Ricky" jersey sales and gets their sleeping fanbase excited again.
5) Clippers still get Griffin with the #2 pick and get rid of Randolph's contract (2 years remaining) for two players with only one year remaining each.
6) When Randolph's contract expires the wolves have the European center the drafter last year at #31 to take over.
7) Future bloggers: what's wrong with this? Please give me your opinions! thanks!
What's wrong with this?

Well, sorry to tell you, but it is McHale-like.
Enough said.

“GO DUCKS!”

Since: Aug 07

Portland, Oregon

#20 Jun 11, 2009
Mike-formely St Paul wrote:
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What's wrong with this?
Well, sorry to tell you, but it is McHale-like.
Enough said.
The TWolves don't need Zach's contract and he's a team killer. The Wolves have KLove & Al Jefferson & both will continue to get better and better especially KLove. They need a real point guard and some more length (shot blockers) David Lee or Chris Anderson will be FA's this summer.
I can't wait to hear about Brandon Jennings & how is workouts go with the Wolves & all the other teams in the lottery.
I think he's going to surprise everyone.
The Wolves should keep building around Jefferson & Love.
Dicky

United States

#21 Jun 11, 2009
Mike-formely St Paul wrote:
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Before last year's draft, some of the 'mock drafts' were predicting Wolves would draft ROBIN LOPEZ last year, after the Brook Lopez scenario cooled off.
I repeatedly wrote comments not to draft Robin Lopez.
I didn't mix the names up.
I know the Wolves worked out his twin brother Brook, but they also had some interest in Robin Lopez, especially right until the last couple of weeks before the draft. When Robin ran in an NBA pre-draft workout, everyone could understand why I called Robin, not his brother,'SLOPEZ'.
And I was right about ROBIN LOPEZ, the twin brother who played center in high school and college, of the two. Brook, even though listed as a center/post, played mostly away from the basket in high school.
Look at Robin's stats during his NBA rookie year. Did you watch any of Robin in an NBA game?
I've seen the brothers since high school so, I didn't mix them up.
Robin Lopez of the Suns is SLOPEZ.
Sorry, I just don't remember anyone having the Wolves taking Robin last year in the draft. Nobody in their right mind would have taken him above Brooke, so unless the Wolves were going to be trading way down in the first round, I figured you had just made a mistake. I apologize for the confusion, and am really happy for you that you got to use your clever nickname of SLOPEZ again. Congrats.

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