Orlando Magic blow lead, lose to New Jersey Nets

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It's a new year, but the same curse looms large. The Orlando Magic extended its home-court woes, falling 96-95 to the New Jersey Nets tonight despite holding a double-digit lead most of the game.

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Rebel

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#21
Jan 3, 2008
 
Let's continue making excuses for them.

When we go to work we have to push for eight hours everyday.

These coddled superstars can't focus for 48 minutes every other day.

Give me a break.
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#22
Jan 3, 2008
 
Frustrated with the Gm and the Coach to the point that I can't stand either one anymore. It was exciting when we all thought Billy ball was coming to town? Why? Becasue we knew he would be a breathe of fresh air and give the young guys a shot to develop. This Van Gundy fat boy makes me want to throw up. He keeps starting guys like arroyo while Reddick gets no time? He says its defense that JJ need to learn, meanwhile everone in the league goes off on the magic's defensive players. What a joke! Would you rather have a guy that can't score or play defense in the game or a guy that can score? Every move that Otis Smith has made has been a bad one, I just don't get how he keeps a job? He is a terrible GM and I have seen them all here. Then you have all these guys talking about How good Arroyo is? Arroyo had a couple decent games, so what? He still sucks. I saw him play here the last two years and he is a bumbling, stumbling clown out there. I would rather have anyone out there. This guy is not a guy that is going to get any better, how many years has he already been in the league? jameer Nelson was just a bad draft pick, pure and simple, nothing more and nothing less, tha's why 20 othere GM's passed him over, but we have the one idiot GM that thought he was smarter than everyone else, guess what Otis, you weren't. I refuse to watch another game and I don't care what any of you think about that either, the Magic are a pretend team, nothing more. Unless they start developing their young players instead of running these older dudes out there with little upside, I don;t seen them going anywhere, especially in the playoff's. The Rachard Lewis deal was a huge mistake in retropect and everyone knows it. He is the same guys as Turk for three times the money? Makes no since to sign a guy to 120 mil that you already have a guy that does that job for 25 mil, its crazy???I see this team as exactly the same one as last year,going no-where. The only difference between this years team and last is that Dwight has stepped up his game and Turk has had a decent start, that is it...
With the fams arguing over who should start Arroyo or Nelson? I say neither. I would rather see Dooling and Reddick in the backcourt than either of the other two.
Every move or lack of moves by Otis has been the wrong move. I just wish we would hire one guy that was a good GM, just once. Hiring former players and former coaches seems to be the aproach here? Giving Otis the job makes about as much since as them bring Brian Hill back, feel good stories. Meanwhile, us fans blow our time and money on these clowns. As for Van Gundy, the guys has not been impressive to this point at all. I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt, but he has failed miserably to this point and has that team underachieving. They could have the same record without a coach.
I understand all these Latino's wanting Arroyo to do good, but lest face it dudes, he would not start on any other team in the league and would not get off the bench on many otheres either. Is arroyo this teams future? Vangundy is an idiot IMO. thanks for givng me a place to vent.

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#23
Jan 3, 2008
 
Quite simple, 4th quarter was poor. The first three quarters were okay.

Their bench shot 22-32 for 48 points. Lots of talk on the commentary about how the Magic Ďdidnít have to worry about Jason Collinsí then he shoots 5-5 and gets 10, mainly against Dwight. Or there was Malik Allen shooting 6-10 on jumpers for 12 against the Magic forwards. Or Armstrong scoring 13 on 6-7 shooting against Jameer and Carlos. The Magic did a terrific job against their starters, only to let their concentration slip against the bench.

The Magic point guards could learn a thing or two from Darrell Armstrong. Not taking anything away from Arroyo, who was very good in general last night, but Darrell showed them how to play defense. It is not about size, although that helps - it is simply about hard work and energy from tip off to final buzzer. It isnít rocket science. Armstrong moves his feet, gets his hands up, stays between ball and basket, and generally hounds the opposing guard for the entirety of the play. This is something that Arroyo and Nelson are capable of, they simply have to remain focused and do it.

I also want to see Rashard Lewis taking more shots. The two clutch buckets he made in the final minute - the pull up jumper and the tough floater - are further evidence that he is a scorer, as if we need telling. Again, it is a matter of him doing it. Too often he passes up shots, or chances to drive, in favour of getting team-mates involved. Whilst that is somewhat admirable, there are times when he needs to be fed the ball for 4 or 5 straight possessions, and just let loose.

Finally, what was up with the officiating last night? Itís not an excuse, because NJ had to put up with it as well, although I would say the Magic were on the receiving end of more strange decisions. There was the phantom goal tend call when Dwight was nowhere near touching the ball. Then there was Dwight getting manhandled in the post - at one point late in the 4th he had a defender almost hanging off him - but not getting the calls. Then Carlos, and in particular Jameer, getting bumped like pinballs when they drove into the lane, with no whistle. Then we come to the final minute. Vince Carter gets the call with minimal contact - which he forced - from Dwight, whilst when Hedo drives 20 seconds later, 3 players make grabs at him and there is no whistle. I could go on and on. The officiating was simply appalling, and impacted negatively on what was otherwise a pretty good game.
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#24
Jan 3, 2008
 
The refereeing was terrible enough that I could almost believe that Vince and the ref were high-fiving. The elbow offensive foul by Howard, because the other player was in the wrong spot, the non-call on Jameer that started to make the team not drive any more and the offensive foul on Hedo are the big 3 that come to mind.

That doesn't keep the blame off the Magic, who forgot Dwight and how to play defense against an amnemic Nets team. Plus the last play should have people cutting to the basket instead of watching Hedo try to get triple teamed. SVG did a bad job this game, but he'll learn from his mistakes and they'll be ready for the big road trip.

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#25
Jan 3, 2008
 
Nanningbob wrote:
You know the only difference between Bostonís 3 losses, and Orlandoís 12 losses. INTENSITY! The Magic have as much talent as Boston. Only they forget the intensity. Patrick sees all the talent Dwight has, but he canít teach him intensity. That comes from inside.
Ahhhhhhhh........ try the difference in schedule. The Magic are only 4 games behind in the win column. Magic have almost finished their trips out west and the Celtics have just got started. However, they are playing better than the Magic at this point but they also have 5-10 years more experience per player than the Magic do. The intensity your talking about comes with experience. The Magic are learning that, takes time. A series between these two teams in the playoffs would be a great series because the Magic actually match up very well with them. I would love to see that one probably in the second round.
If it was the Magic team that faced Boston the first time I would agree with you, but that Magic team has disappeared and there is a new Magic team and that team would be torn apart by Boston.
Howard hit 3-10 on the free throw line that is worse them terrible that is a crime.
Right now this team match's up well with the Knicks and that is not saying much.
Carlos was doing great, so when he needed a break in came Nelson who was terrible. So why didn't Dooling take his place oh Stan why didn't you even play Dooling.
Give me a break love Magic, but facing reality says that this team needs to be hit on head can't win at home to teams with losing records get wiped off the floor with teams with winning records. Record of 7-7 at home does not cut it.
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#26
Jan 3, 2008
 
Hey Stan,

Again, you forget about Keyon and we lose a winnable game. Can you have one of your assistants keep you informed during the game?
Wojtek

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#27
Jan 3, 2008
 
Bad coaching:O(
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#28
Jan 3, 2008
 
As I read all the posts here the only thing I can do is laugh at those idiots who talk bad about CA let me explain this:
1qt 2qt 3qt 4qt
Orlando 31 15 31 18
Nets 18 20 28 28
PG playing CA JN CA 6min CA/JN

At the start of the 4qt the game was up by 11pts and the hamster blew it up again as he always does.
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#29
Jan 3, 2008
 
I personally thought the officiating was terrible!!! I thought that the NBA addressed the gambling and point shaving scandal a few months ago. They may want to take a look at last night's crew! Carter get's a BS call on the Nets last possession, and Turk gets nothing?? That kind of officiating is what's driving over 40 fans like me away from the game.
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#30
Jan 3, 2008
 
Heart and hustle won this game! There
second unit totally outplayed our lifeless second unit early in the fourth quarter!
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#31
Jan 3, 2008
 
I think D Howard (as much as I love him) is getting Jameer's disease from last year - smiling and joking with the opposition during the game. I didn't see Darryl Armstrong doing that tonite but I did see him fake a head butt to one of his team mates to get him going - oh yes he was on the winning team also!! We are a bunch of talented nice guys and we need to get more resolve in ALL minutes of every game to max our potential.
SVG - will sort this out - these players are coachable.
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#32
Jan 3, 2008
 
why ron jeremy didn't used KD? Is he injured, or maybe he preferred to use the 1-8 evans, or the "DNP coach descicion in the last 10 games" Cook. What great additions, beacuase now we don't have DEFENSE without KD and TA.
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#33
Jan 3, 2008
 
Nanningbob wrote:
You know the only difference between Bostonís 3 losses, and Orlandoís 12 losses. INTENSITY! The Magic have as much talent as Boston. Only they forget the intensity. Patrick sees all the talent Dwight has, but he canít teach him intensity. That comes from inside.
Ahhhhhhhh........ try the difference in schedule. The Magic are only 4 games behind in the win column. Magic have almost finished their trips out west and the Celtics have just got started. However, they are playing better than the Magic at this point but they also have 5-10 years more experience per player than the Magic do. The intensity your talking about comes with experience. The Magic are learning that, takes time. A series between these two teams in the playoffs would be a great series because the Magic actually match up very well with them. I would love to see that one probably in the second round.
Will you died hard Magic fans please stop pampering your team! Give them a swift kick in the butt when they deserve it! You're making them into a bunch of spoiled brats!
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#38
Jan 3, 2008
 
I'm tired of hearing about Redick. His offense is not good enough to counter his defense. Every time he gets on the court, he looks lost on defense and the other team smartly attacks him. I'd rather have Dooling or Evans out there anytime.
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#39
Jan 3, 2008
 
Sam wrote:
Frustrated with the Gm and the Coach to the point that I can't stand either one anymore. It was exciting when we all thought Billy ball was coming to town? Why? Becasue we knew he would be a breathe of fresh air and give the young guys a shot to develop. This Van Gundy fat boy makes me want to throw up. He keeps starting guys like arroyo while Reddick gets no time? He says its defense that JJ need to learn, meanwhile everone in the league goes off on the magic's defensive players. What a joke! Would you rather have a guy that can't score or play defense in the game or a guy that can score? Every move that Otis Smith has made has been a bad one, I just don't get how he keeps a job? He is a terrible GM and I have seen them all here. Then you have all these guys talking about How good Arroyo is? Arroyo had a couple decent games, so what? He still sucks. I saw him play here the last two years and he is a bumbling, stumbling clown out there. I would rather have anyone out there. This guy is not a guy that is going to get any better, how many years has he already been in the league? jameer Nelson was just a bad draft pick, pure and simple, nothing more and nothing less, tha's why 20 othere GM's passed him over, but we have the one idiot GM that thought he was smarter than everyone else, guess what Otis, you weren't. I refuse to watch another game and I don't care what any of you think about that either, the Magic are a pretend team, nothing more. Unless they start developing their young players instead of running these older dudes out there with little upside, I don;t seen them going anywhere, especially in the playoff's. The Rachard Lewis deal was a huge mistake in retropect and everyone knows it. He is the same guys as Turk for three times the money? Makes no since to sign a guy to 120 mil that you already have a guy that does that job for 25 mil, its crazy???I see this team as exactly the same one as last year,going no-where. The only difference between this years team and last is that Dwight has stepped up his game and Turk has had a decent start, that is it...
With the fams arguing over who should start Arroyo or Nelson? I say neither. I would rather see Dooling and Reddick in the backcourt than either of the other two.
Every move or lack of moves by Otis has been the wrong move. I just wish we would hire one guy that was a good GM, just once. Hiring former players and former coaches seems to be the aproach here? Giving Otis the job makes about as much since as them bring Brian Hill back, feel good stories. Meanwhile, us fans blow our time and money on these clowns. As for Van Gundy, the guys has not been impressive to this point at all. I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt, but he has failed miserably to this point and has that team underachieving. They could have the same record without a coach.
I understand all these Latino's wanting Arroyo to do good, but lest face it dudes, he would not start on any other team in the league and would not get off the bench on many otheres either. Is arroyo this teams future? Vangundy is an idiot IMO. thanks for givng me a place to vent.
sorry for u but you no know what you talking about. your comments no have any fundament of basketball so watever you no matter you maybe play with the dolls in you house and never play basketball moronnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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#40
Jan 3, 2008
 
I was disappointed in SVG in the 4th qtr last night. We had control of the game and NJ couldn't find a combination that was working against us. Then they go small with Armstrong and Kidd at guard, Carter and Jefferson at forward. All of a sudden their game picks up and they start running the ball. Kidd had not been able to handle our PG's all night, so why didn't SVG put Jameer back in to play along side Arroyo. It would have countered their quickness and hopefully stopped the run they were on. Instead we stayed with our big line-up and were a step slow on defense.

I also agree with the questionable officiating. Our PG's were getting clobbered when they went inside and there were a few touch fouls called on us in the 4th. But that is the NBA, I guess.
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Jan 3, 2008
 
boricuazo wrote:
<quoted text>sorry for u but you no know what you talking about. your comments no have any fundament of basketball so watever you no matter you maybe play with the dolls in you house and never play basketball moronnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Wow, Im sorry I offended your racist persona. Wait, no I'm not, your and idiot. YOu beleive because Arroyo is a PR he shouild be playing. What a joke you and Arroyo are. You like to play doctor and catcher. I'm real, your a liar. I have an opinion, you have garbage. thanks
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#43
Jan 3, 2008
 
it's very well known that to be a champion contender the team has to have a killer instinct, guess what the Magic is missing...
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Jan 3, 2008
 
Sam wrote:
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Wow, Im sorry I offended your racist persona. Wait, no I'm not, your and idiot. YOu beleive because Arroyo is a PR he shouild be playing. What a joke you and Arroyo are. You like to play doctor and catcher. I'm real, your a liar. I have an opinion, you have garbage. thanks
Hey Sam, the only people that sound racist are you. Are you watching games lately? I think CA has outplayed all the PG he has play against in the last games. Why canít you give some credit to him?
And about JJ, the only reason you want him played is because he is white. First, I like him and I donít have any problem with that because I want CA to play because he is from PR. But the difference is JJ need to prove that he can be on the floor and he has not proved he can guard. Remember is not the same a PG that a SG. The shooting guard is expected to be more defensive players that a pg, if not looks what are the shooting guards of others teams and their size.
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#45
Jan 3, 2008
 
This "Pop-A-Shot" offense is starting to bite us right in the a$$! Van Gundy is killing me with his decisions as who should have the ball down the stretch. I was at the game. I'm usually at all the home games for that matter. Every game that I've been to, win or lose, seem to share a common theme: 1) Pop-A-Shot gets us up big 2) Pop-A-Shot nearly loses the game for us 3) Pop-A-Shot loses the game for us. For the life of me I can't figure why any coach wouldn't continue to pound the ball in to Dwight when you have a convincing lead with 2-3min left in the game? OR Why you don't call a play for Dwight with 12.5sec left in a game, down by 1. You gotta go to the big fella. Two-man game with Turk and Dwight, Rashad and Dwight, Carlos and Dwight, Keith and Dwight, or Keyon and Dwight. Problem solved. Can you recognize a pattern here? GIVE THE BALL TO DWIGHT! That is what you pay the kid for. We cannot continue to blow leads. I guarantee if we played that kind of ball when we get up by 13 or better, we wouldn't blow the lead. Basketball is a game of runs. Both teams get hot and both get cold. The key is which team will get hot in the closing minutes and how deep the hole is that they must climb out of. If we get up big, we need to slow the game down and adjust to the two man game. Thus, building the lead, killing the clock, and drawing more fouls. Hopefully, Pat Ewing will read this and talk to his boss.

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