Bulls break pattern, thump Nets

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Luol Deng scored 20 points, and Drew Gooden had 19 points and 11 rebounds Tuesday night as the Bulls built a big halftime lead, survived a sluggish third quarter and pulled away for a 112-96 victory over the ...

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margie

United States

#1 Mar 18, 2008
The playoffs are a pipe dream. Better to miss an start rebuilding, than raise hopes of a real playoff run.
Cal ChiFan

Tustin, CA

#2 Mar 18, 2008
Margie, agreed. Even if they get in, who will they play? Boston? Detroit? For what? To promptly get spanked in 4 games? Then lose out on a potential lottery pick? Thakfully, they can't win on the road. So let's keep our fingers crossed that they continue their losing ways and get a lottery pick. On a side note, 22k at the UNC tonight. Absolutely amazing that people keep showing up for that crap.
Scott Skiles

Elkhart, IN

#3 Mar 19, 2008
I love that Boylan played four guards at the same time. Finally some solid ball control. Way to go, Jimmy, it's nice to know you learned from your master!
Terry

Freeport, ME

#4 Mar 19, 2008
I'm with both of you. If they get into the playoffs they're nothing more than cannon fodder.

But Pax -(if you're still here) make some intelligent moves.

I know a lot of you love to dump on Jerry Krause, indeed it seems to be the state sport, but remember - in the 1988 draft through one draft and a trade he acquired TWO players who started on a team that won at least two titles - Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant. That has only been accomplished by ONE other GM in the last 30 years - Red Auerbach.

So dump on JK if you will but remember that from 1991-1998 the Bulls won 6 titles. In that 8 years their personnel turnover was 10 out of 12 - 83%. So Krause DID know what he was doing and deserves a LOT OF CREDIT.

It helps if your remaining 17% are named Jordan and Pippen of course, but that is still quite an accomplishment.
Johan

Schaumburg, IL

#5 Mar 19, 2008
You guys are not sticking to the plan. We need to lose as many games as possible to get that lottery pick. Let's get back to the usual stuff- smiling, enjoying each other, and blowing the big lead. Come on- big contracts for all at the end of the season.
Cal ChiFan

Tustin, CA

#6 Mar 19, 2008
Terry wrote:
I'm with both of you. If they get into the playoffs they're nothing more than cannon fodder.
But Pax -(if you're still here) make some intelligent moves.
I know a lot of you love to dump on Jerry Krause, indeed it seems to be the state sport, but remember - in the 1988 draft through one draft and a trade he acquired TWO players who started on a team that won at least two titles - Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant. That has only been accomplished by ONE other GM in the last 30 years - Red Auerbach.
So dump on JK if you will but remember that from 1991-1998 the Bulls won 6 titles. In that 8 years their personnel turnover was 10 out of 12 - 83%. So Krause DID know what he was doing and deserves a LOT OF CREDIT.
It helps if your remaining 17% are named Jordan and Pippen of course, but that is still quite an accomplishment.
Terry, good post and your passion is admirable but I have to disagree about Jerry Krause. I don't have all the stats in front of me but for the one good move he made, there were exponentially more bad ones e.g.(off the top of my head) when he drafted Brad Sellers instead of college player of the year Johnny Dawkins. Plus, if he were such a good talent evaluator, what's he doing now? The Bulls successes were absolutely a function of MJ's exceptional skills and a little tweaking to augment that. Maybe you meant the wrong Jerry. Did you mean Jerry West and what he did with the Lakers?
Patrick

United States

#7 Mar 19, 2008
Johan wrote:
You guys are not sticking to the plan. We need to lose as many games as possible to get that lottery pick. Let's get back to the usual stuff- smiling, enjoying each other, and blowing the big lead. Come on- big contracts for all at the end of the season.
Exactly.. Great post.
Chad

Schaumburg, IL

#8 Mar 19, 2008
Cal ChiFan wrote:
<quoted text>Terry, good post and your passion is admirable but I have to disagree about Jerry Krause. I don't have all the stats in front of me but for the one good move he made, there were exponentially more bad ones e.g.(off the top of my head) when he drafted Brad Sellers instead of college player of the year Johnny Dawkins. Plus, if he were such a good talent evaluator, what's he doing now? The Bulls successes were absolutely a function of MJ's exceptional skills and a little tweaking to augment that. Maybe you meant the wrong Jerry. Did you mean Jerry West and what he did with the Lakers?
Krause atleast went out swinging and he created a ton of cap space to go after Tmac and Tim Duncan but neither came here. Sure Curry and Chandler did him in but it was a good gamble going after two 7 footers with lots of potential. He was willing to take risks as to were Paxson has been here 5 years and has yet to not get raped on a trade and risks nothing! I would rather have someone trying their best to win than doing nothing and trying not to lose. Krause only got four years post Jordan Paxson has got 5.

It is time to cut lose of a bad GM and don't bring in Scottie Pippen or some other former player cause they don't have what it take most of the time. Lets go after a top scout to be the GM someone that has a plan and can recognize talent.
bullseye8ball

United States

#9 Mar 19, 2008
About time they won a game when they had a big lead. Spurs have not been winning recently and they are coming to Chicago. Should be a blowout. Spurs will be tough.
crafty b

Northbrook, IL

#10 Mar 19, 2008
You dumbarses call yourselves fans?

You want the Bulls to tank games so that they can move up a spot or two in the draft? You WANT them to miss the playoffs? Why don't you dorks go become Clippers fans.

I don't want to see the Bulls lose.... ever. I want them to make the playoffs for more experience and, maybe... win a game or two (they do matchup very well against Detroit).

Why don't you look into next year's draft and tell me what so great about moving from 14 to 10 that you'd be willing to miss seeing your team in the playoffs and watch your team mortgage its soul by tanking games. Do you really think getting Chase Budinger is going to make-or-break this franchise's future?

Strap on a pair, folks. Be real fans.
stickaforkinit

Aurora, IL

#11 Mar 19, 2008
Thanks crafty b - for making sense. You play for the playoffs, not for the draft.
bullseye8ball

United States

#12 Mar 19, 2008
Hey crafty - You sound like the owner of the Timberwolves who said that Garnett was tanking games last year. Hey if Mr Basketball - KG can do it, so can we. By the way, we want the number 1 spot in the draft - remember - it's a lottery.
Chad

Schaumburg, IL

#13 Mar 19, 2008
crafty b wrote:
You dumbarses call yourselves fans?
You want the Bulls to tank games so that they can move up a spot or two in the draft? You WANT them to miss the playoffs? Why don't you dorks go become Clippers fans.
I don't want to see the Bulls lose.... ever. I want them to make the playoffs for more experience and, maybe... win a game or two (they do matchup very well against Detroit).
Why don't you look into next year's draft and tell me what so great about moving from 14 to 10 that you'd be willing to miss seeing your team in the playoffs and watch your team mortgage its soul by tanking games. Do you really think getting Chase Budinger is going to make-or-break this franchise's future?
Strap on a pair, folks. Be real fans.
Cause we all know how ugly it will be to see this heartless bunch get beaten mercilessly. Nope sorry but as much as I hate the pistons both they and the Celtics would beat the crap out of this team. Billups destroys Gordon. Try being a realist they can't even beat philly!
crafty b

Northbrook, IL

#14 Mar 19, 2008
Chad wrote:
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Cause we all know how ugly it will be to see this heartless bunch get beaten mercilessly. Nope sorry but as much as I hate the pistons both they and the Celtics would beat the crap out of this team. Billups destroys Gordon. Try being a realist they can't even beat philly!
Wow.. you're a great fan there. You want your team to lose so that they don't have to play the good teams in the Playoffs? That's just sad. I'd bet you'd love it for the Bulls to leave the NBA for the CBA. That way,they'd probably win the championship! Or better yet. Maybe they can play in the IHSA state tourney! I'd bet they'd win that!

Dude, you're weak. You'd make a perfect cynical sox fan. Maybe you should move to Florida and become a brown-paper-bag wearing DevilRays fan.

And by the way... the Bulls have won three of four against Detroit this year. Regardless of what you think about Chauncey vs. Ben, the Bulls match up well with Detroit. I think Detroit would win a playoff series, but I don't think it'll be the blowout you seem so sure it would.
bullseye8ball

United States

#15 Mar 19, 2008
Hey guys - they are not going to play Detroit - so save your analysis for something else, like which draft pick should they go after.
crafty b

Northbrook, IL

#16 Mar 19, 2008
bullseye8ball wrote:
Hey crafty - You sound like the owner of the Timberwolves who said that Garnett was tanking games last year. Hey if Mr Basketball - KG can do it, so can we. By the way, we want the number 1 spot in the draft - remember - it's a lottery.
Dude, I'm the one saying the Bulls should NEVER tank. Can you read?

We've been getting lottery picks for, what, 10 seasons in a row now? As much as your plan of the Bulls playing the next 20 regular seasons for the best off-season lottery odds sounds wonderful, I'm personally tired of lottery picks. Give me playoff series.

Gebus.. I'm glad you idiots aren't actually making decisions for the Bulls... you'd make them into the LA Clippers East. Always playing for that best lottery pick!

Playoff experience for the current roster is much, much better for the future than a few spots in next year's draft.

And noone's answered the main question here... all you guys wanting us to lose to get us in the lottery... please tell me what player your coveting so much in next year's draft? How is 10 so much better than 15 next year?
Chad

Schaumburg, IL

#17 Mar 19, 2008
crafty b wrote:
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Wow.. you're a great fan there. You want your team to lose so that they don't have to play the good teams in the Playoffs? That's just sad. I'd bet you'd love it for the Bulls to leave the NBA for the CBA. That way,they'd probably win the championship! Or better yet. Maybe they can play in the IHSA state tourney! I'd bet they'd win that!
Dude, you're weak. You'd make a perfect cynical sox fan. Maybe you should move to Florida and become a brown-paper-bag wearing DevilRays fan.
And by the way... the Bulls have won three of four against Detroit this year. Regardless of what you think about Chauncey vs. Ben, the Bulls match up well with Detroit. I think Detroit would win a playoff series, but I don't think it'll be the blowout you seem so sure it would.
Not that I want them to lose it is just I don't care cause it doesn't matter anymore. If they tank they still have a bad draft pick in the 8-9 range if they make the playoffs they have basically a zero percent chance of doing anything. If this inspires you great but me I have stopped caring after they failed to land a star player last summer to lead the team. That to me showed they just want to be a good team not a great team and they had no shot at going anywhere in the playoffs with the soft core they have.

I am dissapointed in the management of the team and the players too! I have always supported them but I am sick of 10 years of losing and if wanting more makes me a bad fan then fine.

Yeah I want them to try and win I never said they should tank the season even though they have since the start. Do you think they could win one game against the celtics in the playoffs??? They almost have blown huge leads in three straight games!!! They are done and it would be pathetic if they make it to the playoffs! The Bulls players don't deserve that honor the way they act and perform is a disgrace to Chicago.
Chad

Schaumburg, IL

#18 Mar 19, 2008
crafty b wrote:
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And noone's answered the main question here... all you guys wanting us to lose to get us in the lottery... please tell me what player your coveting so much in next year's draft? How is 10 so much better than 15 next year?
I am not someone that wants them to tank but I personally am hoping for them to package the pick and Gordon/anyone for Derrick Rose. If we keep our pick it will be pointless cause the player won't make a difference. If we have the same roster going into next season I won't be shocked but will be hugely dissapointed for the second straight offseason. Paxson sucks!
Terry

Freeport, ME

#19 Mar 20, 2008
Cal ChiFan wrote:
<quoted text>Terry, good post and your passion is admirable but I have to disagree about Jerry Krause. I don't have all the stats in front of me but for the one good move he made, there were exponentially more bad ones e.g.(off the top of my head) when he drafted Brad Sellers instead of college player of the year Johnny Dawkins. Plus, if he were such a good talent evaluator, what's he doing now? The Bulls successes were absolutely a function of MJ's exceptional skills and a little tweaking to augment that. Maybe you meant the wrong Jerry. Did you mean Jerry West and what he did with the Lakers?
No - I meant Jerry Krause. He got to Chicago in 1986. MJ was there. Between 1991 and 1998 the Bulls won 6 titles and with the exception of MJ every single player and every single coach involved in those titles was brought to Chicago by Jerry Krause. He realized early on that what he had to do was find the players and coaches who would complement MJ, and that's EXACTLY what he did. Would we ever have heard of Phil Jackson were it not for Jerry Krause? I doubt it.
You should read 'Jordan Rules' by Sam Smith of the Trib. It's about the 1990-1991 Championship season. I particularly recommend page 206.

Draft mistakes - every GM makes them. How about the two GMs who passed on MJ in the 1984 draft? Now THAT is a draft mistake.(No "gotcha" intended.)

JK's biggest mistake, in my opinion, was that he seemed more than a bit anxious to prove that he could build a championship Bulls team w/o MJ. He was, to put it mildly, WRONG. As in duhhh. Pax is now responsible for the mess the team is in, regardless of the fact that JK brought him to Chicago in the first place.

Jerry West - A fine GM indeed to be sure - in Los Angeles. He has done nothing of any note in Memphis.
Terry

Freeport, ME

#20 Mar 20, 2008
Pax' biggest mistake was taking Thomas instead of Roy in the 2006 draft. Rather trading Roy to get Thomas - BIG mistake. Thomas' potential is intriguing but so far he doesn't show up every game. He can be brilliant he can be bad. I haven't seen many Bulls games and I have a question - who is the LEADER of the team? The Bulls seem to have a bunch of pretty good to good players with no standout, possibly Thomas some day - will that day ever come?

Roy on the other hand shows up ready to rock every game and is emerging as a leader. When Greg Oden comes back next season the Trail Blazers will rock.

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