Bad play by other teams help Magic's ...

Bad play by other teams help Magic's chances

There are 17 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Mar 23, 2007, titled Bad play by other teams help Magic's chances. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

The Orlando Magic could become the first team in modern NBA history to start so well -- and finish so poorly.

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“Aww jiggah please!”

Since: Feb 07

McKinney

#1 Mar 23, 2007
BREAKING NEWS: Brian Hill unmsaks revealing himself to be...MIKE TICE, former Minnesota Vikings coach who BACKED that Vikings team into the playoffs about 3 years ago. Shocking...or is it.
Matt

Clearwater, FL

#2 Mar 23, 2007
Once again, the so-called coach, and a GM who supports him, have no clue on the reasons for the team's (if we could call this group of talented players a team) inconsistency. They don't have to look far. The team's concept was never developed from the start of the season, since Hill foolishly ignored all good advice on the starters and rotation patterns. this late in the season it is too late to insert new players with new rotation patterns, and expect magic. That is why, as I said before, on the nights that the sum of individual (I underscore individual) performances surpasses that of the opposing team, we win and if it doesn't we lose. Who is to be blamed for it? It is unfair to unload it on the players. That heart and hustle team of the Magic had less talent than this group of players, and yet they were fun to watch because they were a TEAM.
chad edwards

Orlando, FL

#3 Mar 23, 2007
sho-nuff wrote:
BREAKING NEWS: Brian Hill unmsaks revealing himself to be...MIKE TICE, former Minnesota Vikings coach who BACKED that Vikings team into the playoffs about 3 years ago. Shocking...or is it.
That baffoonery really doesnt deserve a response, but i feel i must obligge. The main the magic are lacking that the mike tice led vikings had plenty of is talent. Under Tice, the vikings had culpepper, an all pro qb, randy moss, an incredible receiver. Hill's magic have an up and coming star in dwight howard, but even he has a little way to go before hes at the top of the game as moss or culpepper were. And around howard, they have 2 point guards under 6 ft, an over the hill washed up star (grant hill) who spends more time hurt than healthy, and a collection of scrubs and journeymen that never will amount to anything in their careers. Its not brians fault man, players play the game and the magic players get outplayed.
T A L E N T is whats missing here, the worst thing orl could do would be fire the coach and have someone come in and try to do something different with the same pieces they have now. Every other nba team wants to point at the coach when things arent going well, but look at the magic roster and then look at everyone elses! Playoffs are on the line now, every team is stepping up and this is when you see who is good and who is not. The magic just dont have the talent to be as good, and thats not hills fault
Gramps

Lake Wales, FL

#4 Mar 23, 2007
Matt, you "blow with the wind". We are using the same players when we play well and when we play poorly. How much of that can you lay on the coach and GM??? I know some changes need to be made and I am sure some will be made. WE DO NEED A POINT GUARD !!!

“Aww jiggah please!”

Since: Feb 07

McKinney

#5 Mar 23, 2007
chad edwards wrote:
<quoted text>
That baffoonery really doesnt deserve a response, but i feel i must obligge. The main the magic are lacking that the mike tice led vikings had plenty of is talent. Under Tice, the vikings had culpepper, an all pro qb, randy moss, an incredible receiver. Hill's magic have an up and coming star in dwight howard, but even he has a little way to go before hes at the top of the game as moss or culpepper were. And around howard, they have 2 point guards under 6 ft, an over the hill washed up star (grant hill) who spends more time hurt than healthy, and a collection of scrubs and journeymen that never will amount to anything in their careers. Its not brians fault man, players play the game and the magic players get outplayed.
T A L E N T is whats missing here, the worst thing orl could do would be fire the coach and have someone come in and try to do something different with the same pieces they have now. Every other nba team wants to point at the coach when things arent going well, but look at the magic roster and then look at everyone elses! Playoffs are on the line now, every team is stepping up and this is when you see who is good and who is not. The magic just dont have the talent to be as good, and thats not hills fault
man please! it is the team, coach, organization as a collective! don't try to sit here and tell me that hill doesn't share in the fault of this teams mediocrity.

as for "baffoonery", that was meant as a joke on the article, could care less if you found it amusing or not.

i respect your opinion, i do not agree.
Matt

Clearwater, FL

#6 Mar 23, 2007
Chad, how do you explain the inconsistency to start with? Washed up Grant Hill? The guy is producing 15-20 points consistently, and never slacks off. Granted his in and out of the line-up is not helpful. How many times do we have to point out that in Brian Hill's career, aside from Shaq/Penny era, he has nothing to show as success? For the rest of the team, you see no talent? Come on. Let's be serious.
ALMAX

Puerto Rico

#7 Mar 23, 2007
MATT your comment taken as a whole are exactly right especially the statement, "On the night that the sum individuals performance surpasses that of the opposing team the Magic win" I would only add, On the night the opponents play the Magic with overconfidence the Magic win, on the night the Magic play with overconfidence they lose. The Coach and Management has put a group of players together but failed to turn them into a team.
Ryan

United States

#8 Mar 23, 2007
Quote from Jameer

"For us, Friday should be like a do-or-die game," Point guard Jameer Nelson said. "It has to be."

How is this like a do or die game? Every game from now until the end of the season is do or die (actually any game from the past month has been "do or die" and look at how much that helped). I actually think that backing into the playoffs with a loosing record is a big black eye for the East. The rules should be re-written and only teams with a .500 or better record should be allowed to participate. What other major sport has teams with loosing records get in? What a joke!

Learn to pass Jameer! Play "mini-nash" Diener & Reddick!
Matt

Clearwater, FL

#9 Mar 23, 2007
Gramps, what part of my post do you want me to expand on? The inconsistency is the byproduct of the lack of offensive and defensive systems, especially the former, which could only be contributed to the coach's shortcomings.
chad edwards

Orlando, FL

#10 Mar 23, 2007
Matt wrote:
Chad, how do you explain the inconsistency to start with? Washed up Grant Hill? The guy is producing 15-20 points consistently, and never slacks off. Granted his in and out of the line-up is not helpful. How many times do we have to point out that in Brian Hill's career, aside from Shaq/Penny era, he has nothing to show as success? For the rest of the team, you see no talent? Come on. Let's be serious.
Okay then try this exercize. You can look at each individual on the magic roster and say that he has talent. Its the nba, so everybody has talent. I challenge you to compare orlandos roster with each of the other playoff contenders from the east and player for player, tell me which one is better. Dwight Howard will probably be the better of his counterpart 9 times out of 10, but tell me then about the other 4 starters on the team vs their counterpart from other teams. The other magic players will lose that battle a majority of the time. They have no stars other than Howard, and when youre in that situation, its impossible to compete.
sereno

Titusville, FL

#11 Mar 23, 2007
Brian Hill is a genious !!! he is playing possum by making the moves to make the magic lose so that the other teams think it's an easy mark on the playoffs and then he will unleash all his "knowledge", win the title and the coach of the year award....BRILLIANT !!!!
Johnny Gohome

AOL

#12 Mar 23, 2007
chad edwards wrote:
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Okay then try this exercize. You can look at each individual on the magic roster and say that he has talent. Its the nba, so everybody has talent. I challenge you to compare orlandos roster with each of the other playoff contenders from the east and player for player, tell me which one is better. Dwight Howard will probably be the better of his counterpart 9 times out of 10, but tell me then about the other 4 starters on the team vs their counterpart from other teams. The other magic players will lose that battle a majority of the time. They have no stars other than Howard, and when youre in that situation, its impossible to compete.
I totally agree chad.That why I've said getting a decent free agent this summer without biting the bullet on the salary cap to give him a supporting cast is a waste of time. What it really comes down to is that the Magic is a CHEAP organization. And having a dodo for a coach doesn't help either.
John

Orlando, FL

#14 Mar 23, 2007
You know your team isn't a playoff team when they have to rely on other teams to make mistakes.
Luis Pablo Rodriguez

Carolina, Puerto Rico

#15 Mar 23, 2007
Take a look at the last quarter of the Toronto game and tell me if it was not the worst coaching in NBA. Jameel Nelson is playing more minutes than what his legs can tolerate, a fast pace is needed and it takes excellent subtitutions of all players involved in the team not just 7 or 8.
Luis Pablo Rodriguez

Carolina, Puerto Rico

#16 Mar 23, 2007
Talking about Substitutions; Turkoglu for Ariza after and excellent assist, Grant Hill substitutions off timing, Arroyo after been seated for a full game plays last 38 seconds of the next. If you have respect for a player that have served you well all season you don't treat him like trash because others feel that they are going to be the next ones. You play with what you have and not complain that you don't have the talent when in reality you have it.
Pedro

Guaynabo, Puerto Rico

#17 Mar 23, 2007
Yeah
rodney

Howey In The Hills, FL

#18 Mar 23, 2007
chad edwards wrote:
<quoted text>
That baffoonery really doesnt deserve a response, but i feel i must obligge. The main the magic are lacking that the mike tice led vikings had plenty of is talent. Under Tice, the vikings had culpepper, an all pro qb, randy moss, an incredible receiver. Hill's magic have an up and coming star in dwight howard, but even he has a little way to go before hes at the top of the game as moss or culpepper were. And around howard, they have 2 point guards under 6 ft, an over the hill washed up star (grant hill) who spends more time hurt than healthy, and a collection of scrubs and journeymen that never will amount to anything in their careers. Its not brians fault man, players play the game and the magic players get outplayed.
T A L E N T is whats missing here, the worst thing orl could do would be fire the coach and have someone come in and try to do something different with the same pieces they have now. Every other nba team wants to point at the coach when things arent going well, but look at the magic roster and then look at everyone elses! Playoffs are on the line now, every team is stepping up and this is when you see who is good and who is not. The magic just dont have the talent to be as good, and thats not hills fault
couldnt agree with u more

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