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Pacers finally find someone they can beat

There are 52 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Feb 7, 2008, titled Pacers finally find someone they can beat. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Something had to give in this matchup of plummeting teams Wednesday night. It turned out to be New York's ability to close out a game.

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pacers

Danville, IN

#41 Feb 7, 2008
OK, I know people will not agree with me on here but Im gonna write it anyway...but I dont think the Pacers are as bad as people are saying.
Yes we do need to make some chages but were are not a complete lost cause. Dunleavy is a very complete offensive player, his stats are usually very impressive he is averaging 17pts 4 assists and about 5 boards a game, Granger is getting better and better as his career progresses. Williams just needs to get more minutes and bulk up but I think he will be a major contributor. Foster should reamin a pacer until he retires, he is the heart and soul of what a Pacer player should be. I really feel that we are a good trade or two away from getting the personel in here that can compete for the eastern conference championship. JO has screwed us with his injuries and Tinsley has no heart and doesnt know how to play D and Murphy dosent know what defense is. If we can find a deal to get rid of Tins, JO, Murphy, and of course just let Harrsion go and get some defensive orienated players, we could be a very good team. Iwill alwasy be a fan through the good and bad but there must be changes
DLC

Indianapolis, IN

#42 Feb 7, 2008
"They're really good together," Pacers coach Jim O'Brien said. "Jeff sets solid screens, then he explodes off the screens to the basket."

Two words The Pacers are NOT: "GOOD" and "EXPLOSIVE"
Batboy

United States

#43 Feb 7, 2008
It's time to start from the ground up with this team. Bird traded away a great deal of talent and a great deal of trouble for little talent/little trouble. Which is better?

Let's start over and get some great draft picks the next few years. It's painful to watch this team.
Larry Gargoyle

New York, NY

#44 Feb 7, 2008
Hey Larry you need to understand how the lottery system works - start tanking !!!

Also, dump JO before you only get a 2nd rounder !!!
Blaaaa Baby

Indianapolis, IN

#45 Feb 7, 2008
Adam wrote:
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Because that's the ONLY thing Larry could get in a trade for Stephen Jackson. That is exactly what happens when idiotic, bloodthirsty fans start screaming for an immediate trade of a player. It puts management in a bad trading position because all the other GM's know they can call the shots.
But Bird is the one that brought the garbage into the house to start with. It was his trash so he had to deal with it. Yes he listened to the fans when they said Jackson had to go but he brought the trouble to town. Same with Artest, big contract to Austin (he helped push Walsh into that one), huge contract to Jermaine, yep Larry inked that great deal too with the promise to JO that Isiah would remain coach. He lied to him, signed to an way too big of contract and now he is lying in the pile of dung that he created.
Adam

Bloomington, IN

#46 Feb 7, 2008
Blaaaa Baby wrote:
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But Bird is the one that brought the garbage into the house to start with. It was his trash so he had to deal with it. Yes he listened to the fans when they said Jackson had to go but he brought the trouble to town. Same with Artest, big contract to Austin (he helped push Walsh into that one), huge contract to Jermaine, yep Larry inked that great deal too with the promise to JO that Isiah would remain coach. He lied to him, signed to an way too big of contract and now he is lying in the pile of dung that he created.
I'm not denying that it was Bird who brought Jackson in. The original poster was wondering why Bird ended up getting stuck with Dunleavy & Murphy, so I was just explaining that end result. However, if I'm not mistaken, Croshere received his contract after his performance in the 2000 Finals, which was after Bird just quit as coach, and a few years before he took over as President. So you can't put that one on Larry. Same thing with Artest - he was brought here way before Larry took over.

I think you're correct about the JO situation, but at the time that wasn't a bad move. JO hadn't yet shown signs of chronic injury, and he was showing signs of being a perennial all-star big man. Why wouldn't you want to lock him up for several years? Granted, hindsight is 20/20, but you just can't predict the future, as far as injuries go. The fact that he lied to him about Isiah... well, ANY move that gets Isiah Thomas out of your franchise is a good one.
sick of this

Newark, OH

#48 Feb 7, 2008
(sigh) i miss the old days when the pacers whupped butt. don't get me wrong i am still a fan, but i just can't enjoy watching the pacers like i did in the miller days.
al Gore is a liar

Cincinnati, OH

#49 Feb 7, 2008
Simpleton wrote:
Used to be one of the best rivalries in sports.
Amazing how far both teams have tnked
I am as disappointed with the Pacers as anyone, but if you want to see a ghetto thug team with NO discipline, look at the Knicks under Isaiah. Indy's team, without Tinsely and Oneal, is bad but watchable,
Old Roy

Louisville, KY

#50 Feb 7, 2008
EWB wrote:
The time will come and the Pacers will be back in form. By staying at this level we will be some good first round draft picks - win more games and we get less. We do need to make some changes but it will be a slow process.
Until Larry trades away our first round picks for some bums. See last year.
bill night

Lafayette, CA

#51 Feb 8, 2008
pacers wrote:
OK, I know people will not agree with me on here but Im gonna write it anyway...but I dont think the Pacers are as bad as people are saying.
Yes we do need to make some chages but were are not a complete lost cause. Dunleavy is a very complete offensive player, his stats are usually very impressive he is averaging 17pts 4 assists and about 5 boards a game, Granger is getting better and better as his career progresses. Williams just needs to get more minutes and bulk up but I think he will be a major contributor. Foster should reamin a pacer until he retires, he is the heart and soul of what a Pacer player should be. I really feel that we are a good trade or two away from getting the personel in here that can compete for the eastern conference championship. JO has screwed us with his injuries and Tinsley has no heart and doesnt know how to play D and Murphy dosent know what defense is. If we can find a deal to get rid of Tins, JO, Murphy, and of course just let Harrsion go and get some defensive orienated players, we could be a very good team. Iwill alwasy be a fan through the good and bad but there must be changes
I totally agree with most of you comments. There is the making of an excellent team here. The team needs to be transitioned away from a run and gun and jump shooting team. An additonal good point guard and inside player would do the trick- those two positions are now occupied by players who are not playilng. Why Harrsion is playing at all is open to question.
Tim

United States

#52 Feb 8, 2008
J Tate wrote:
It's funny how people are saying the Pacers suck, just because they are having a bad season. If you are a true fan, you know there are good years and bad years with any team. Once upon a time the Colts were not the powerhouse they are now, but they got there because of sound management and coaching. Get rid of your Good Ol' Boy Larry and we can do some things. While he is a Hall of Famer as a player, that didn't translate well into general managing. Also, the only people that can say a professional athlete sucks, are those that have had professional contracts in the same sport and competed on that level. Until then, shut up, grin and bear it or go somewhere else and be a fair-weather fan....
Following your "logic," would you care to share a bit about your NBA general manager experience? After all, you suggest Larry should be let go. Surely you wouldn't blatantly contradict yourself in such a short span.

Or perhaps you should "shut up, grin and bear it or go somewhere else and be a fair-weather fan...."
Tim

United States

#53 Feb 8, 2008
Larry Gargoyle wrote:
Hey Larry you need to understand how the lottery system works - start tanking !!!
Also, dump JO before you only get a 2nd rounder !!!
Tanking is how Boston and Memphis got the top picks in this past draft, right?

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