Ilgauskas is a man of reason for Cavs

There are 62 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from May 22, 2008, titled Ilgauskas is a man of reason for Cavs. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

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Renzy Riley

United States

#46 May 24, 2008
Cleveland need to run their offense alot better because it really poor.
Renzy Riley

United States

#47 May 24, 2008
llguskas playing out of position where he should be in the middle if he playing center,and the team should move the ball from the middle.
will

Salem, OH

#48 May 24, 2008
Z should be getting 25 pts 10 plus rebounds a game easy. Mike Browns offense is awful. Its time to hire a coach that has a clue about the offense. Someone that has coached before not someone that never had a coaching job aka Mike Brown.
will

Salem, OH

#49 May 24, 2008
Signing a SG that can hit a open jumper would be nice also.
LeCavalier

United States

#50 May 24, 2008
Ferry should be fired if he trades for Jermaine O'Neal who is owed $43 million for the next two years and plays half a season.

Heck, maybe if Z is busted for a third DUI his contract will be voided and his salary will be shed from the cap.

Also, to the poster who suggested trading with the Bulls again to re-acquire Larry Bruise-- thanks for the chuckle, it made my day.
fritz19

New York, NY

#51 May 25, 2008
IMO, the Cavs look like a jigsaw puzzle with a few pieces missing: a tried and true point guard, and a couple more players who can create their own shots.

Father time is moving in on Z, Big Ben, Szerbiak and Joe Smith. We also go broke in the scoring column when LeBron is not on the floor. I'd love to see Andy and Wallace on the floor at the same time - defensively - but it is madness to even contemplate that when neither can shoot.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see this team, as it is, going any farther next year unless they improve their foul shooting and become even better defensivley.
alan t

Lewis Center, OH

#52 May 25, 2008
LeCavalier wrote:
Ferry should be fired if he trades for Jermaine O'Neal who is owed $43 million for the next two years and plays half a season.
Heck, maybe if Z is busted for a third DUI his contract will be voided and his salary will be shed from the cap.
Also, to the poster who suggested trading with the Bulls again to re-acquire Larry Bruise-- thanks for the chuckle, it made my day.
Third DUI? When did he get the second?
Lonnie Sheltons Girth

South San Francisco, CA

#54 May 25, 2008
KBADM11 wrote:
I am glad Z took a big drink of Gilbert koolaide - this team is nowhere near a championship, well unless needing 8 pieces makes you close.
Not sure how you figure that. We are an all star scorer away, as long as we don't create a big whole acquiring him, it doesn't really matter what position it is.
Lonnie Sheltons Girth

South San Francisco, CA

#55 May 25, 2008
East Side Joe wrote:
Sometime over the past year, after the big trade, it must have occurred to Danny Ferry that attempting to rush to a championship was the wrong approach. Sometime during the same period it must have occurred to Gilbert that he had hired the wrong man.
Signing Larry Hughes and company was designed more to please LeBron than design a winning team. Ferry felt he could not afford a losing season at the risk of disappointing James. While James is mature beyond his years he is not ready to be a GM and the rush to win approach failed. Cleveland should have given in to losing more earlier while developing a team.
With few exception winning teams are built piece by piece, improvement is steady and stable. Along the way you may tinker, add a piece or two, but overhauling the team twice, as Ferry has done, can only lead to a disparate team
Disparate, according to Websters
1: containing or made up of fundamentally different and often incongruous elements.
I'm reminded of my father who used to throw away the direction to assemble complicated toys, in order to save time and effort, only to break down in frustration and complain to the manufacturer that they don't know how to design toys. In the end he would go looking for the directions in the waste can. By then I would have lost interest and moved on to the next toy.
Ferry failed to follow the model he was hired to emulate. Now the Cavs are a mess really, pieces parts, a team of role players. Ferry is in a jam looking for the Ikea directions with a lopsided team and a bunch of nuts and bolts left over. It's time to call in the engineers and it is too late to start from scratch and he needs a home run aka Kevin McHale. But who is going to want to come to Cleveland knowing that James will likely be gone after two seasons? Let's hope third time is a charm and he finds the operating manual.
Blah blah blah.... We didn't win a championship, so everything to you is a failure...
Lonnie Sheltons Girth

South San Francisco, CA

#56 May 25, 2008
Hagen wrote:
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After listening to game 7 on the radio, i head a lot of "Ilgauskas with the 12 foot jmper...."
Z can hit a jumper better than 90% of other C's in the league, sure. BUT WHY IS A GUY WHO IS LIKE 7'2" ATTEMPTING 12 FT JUMPERS IN GAME 7?!
Because he makes them with regularity. So does Yao Ming. Know anything about basketball?
Lonnie Sheltons Girth

South San Francisco, CA

#57 May 25, 2008
JulioF wrote:
Seattle didn't panic this season in efforts to hurry-up and win to keep Kevin Durant happy.
No, they just sucked.
And now they have the 4th pick in the upcoming draft!
And part of the problem is due to LeBron. He was "too good" early on. You know what I'm saying. No one would have thought badly of him if he had mailed it in for the first two seasons. But his performances cost the Cavs some good talent.
So now, the only way to win is by buying a championship. Free Agents. Trades.
So you are blaming Lebron for being too good. You are an idiot.
Lonnie Sheltons Girth

South San Francisco, CA

#58 May 25, 2008
Akron resident wrote:
Z needs to stop talking to press...he doesn't have time...he needs to be working on his footwork...the big lug travels all the time. He needs to hit the weights and get stronger, work on his footspeed, and last but definately not least work on his footwork and his travelling problem.
Z is 32 and unlikely to make any improvements or major changes in his game. He's not a prospect that can go to the D-League, he's a succesfull but flawed NBA player, take it or leave it.
Lonnie Sheltons Girth

South San Francisco, CA

#59 May 25, 2008
concerned citizen wrote:
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you are so so correct. from the day LB got here as an 18 year old, people were saying "he deserves a championship - he will leave if we dont get it". it was quick fix before ferry and with ferry. no one deserves a championship. LB has had a lot early in life but this catering to him hasnt helped build a team - it is a mess. Gooden should not have been traded! a budding superstar was he? no but young, dependable and talented. here we are again - LB will leave in 2 years if we dont get him a championship - if true I say good riddance then. on the other hand, if he is as mature and loyal as his supporters say, maybe he should chat with management about a plan for builiding a team - even if it takes 4 or 5 years - he still wont be 30
Bullocks. Ferry hasn't "rushed" do anything, and Gooden was an infuriatingly inconsistent player that was more part of the problem than the solution.
Lonnie Sheltons Girth

South San Francisco, CA

#60 May 25, 2008
MC Mallot wrote:
yeah I agree with Big Z... but on these conditions....
They are good enough to win it all, by just squeaking by and having no fluke injuries to say 'Daniel Gibson
in other words everything has to 'Just Right' they are not good enough to overpower, which should be there goal
Counting on not haveing "fluke injuries" is naive and a recipe for disaster. Every team gets hurt. I agree, this team could win a championship if everything goes right - and that never happens. And if the Cavs are in good shape, Daniel Gibson won't be a starter, anyway, he'll be a shooter off the bench.
Lonnie Sheltons Girth

South San Francisco, CA

#61 May 25, 2008
Zach Myers wrote:
The Cavs need to follow the XEKE.com formula for success:
Step #1: Sign Antawn Jamison
Step #2: Trade for Mike Miller
The Cavs the most coveted assets in the NBA- expiring contracts. We should have plenty of money and flexibility to get this team in the right direction before the season starts.
Ideally, we will sign a stud PG, but Kerr, BJ Armstrong, and Paxson were not studs with MJ. They were pass first PGs who could drain a three at will.
Ideally, we will find a team to absorb Ben Wallace's contract- but that is highly unlikely.
Simply stated, sign Jamison and trade for Mike Miller, anything after that is gravy.
They won't find anyone for Wallace's contract, but that's okay. Wallace was not part of the problem in Cleveland. He was very good defensively and as a ball hound. It's good to have one of those guys on the floor at all times - most championship teams do. Szczerbiak losing the ability to shoot was a far bigger problem, and even though it's expiring, it might not be tradeable.

I'd like Jamison and Miller. Jamison can probably sign for a lot more money somewhere else. Miller will probably take Varejao and Gibson, and we'll need to acquire another big man, too. I'd like Najera as a free agent to replace Andy - similar games, but Najera can score a little more and doesn't get out of control so much.
Lonnie Sheltons Girth

South San Francisco, CA

#62 May 25, 2008
LeCavalier wrote:
A man of reason would pass the ball out of double teams in the post. None of the local media will print this because they've given Z a free pass. If LeBron is to blame for dribbling too much then Z is to blame for being an offensive black hole on the low block.
Watch Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Duncan passes it out of the post without hesitation to open shooters. The Spurs are unselfish so he often gets a re-entry pass.
Z is selfish.
Definitely isn't Z's strong point - strange, because he is a good passer - but in his defense, I rarely see anyone cut to the hole or give Z many options out.
Lonnie Sheltons Girth

South San Francisco, CA

#63 May 25, 2008
Gregg P Frasco wrote:
I agree that the Cavs have a championship caliber team. If Daniel Gibson had not been injured, I believe that the Cavs would have defeated Boston.(Remember what Gibson did to Detroit last year?)
I can tell you remember all too well, because all he did after he came back in the second half this year was be extremely inconsistent.
Lonnie Sheltons Girth

South San Francisco, CA

#64 May 25, 2008
Ed Haas wrote:
I've heard rumors of a trade involving the Pacers, that would send Ilgauskas, Varejao, and the 19th pick to Indiana for Jermaine O'neal.
I for one PRAY that this trade does not happen. Z is a great center for coming off the bench. His starting days are now officially behind him.
Varejao needs to learn how to dribble still, but his defensive presence on the other bigs is worth his weight in gold.
As far as the 19th pick is concerned, we should GUN for Brandon Rush, and trade for O'neal before the deadline next season for Ben Wallace straight up. Indiana can then use Wallace's expiring contract to sign whomever they covet in the 2009 offseason.
Teams will also be clamoring for the expiring contract of Wally. Don't expect him to stay around long next season, as Ferry will use his expiring large contract to hopefully bring in an athletic big man who can start in place of Z, so that Z can keep his minutes under or around 20. That's the only way Ilgauskas is going to be effective over the rest of his career.
No one will be "clamoring" for Wally's contract, but it may be useful. Get it through your head - Varejao is gone, he needs to be traded. Not only is he a malcontent, but he can opt out after next season. He has some value, but will likely have to be packaged with Gibson in a sign and trade to bring back a significant piece. The O'Neal rumour can't quite be accurate - it's at least five million short of working under the cap, and doesn't seem to do much for Inidana's frontcourt.
alan t

Lewis Center, OH

#65 May 25, 2008
Lonnie Sheltons Girth wrote:
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Z is 32 and unlikely to make any improvements or major changes in his game. He's not a prospect that can go to the D-League, he's a succesfull but flawed NBA player, take it or leave it.
In 10 days, he's 33. So on June 5, in Ilgauskas' honor, I'm going to travel to work. Then I'm going to travel back home. Then just travel, travel, travel all the way to bed.
amarcanaa

Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia

#66 May 25, 2008
lebron

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