Ilgauskas is a man of reason for Cavs

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MIKE

Nashville, TN

#1 May 23, 2008
The Boston series was very winnable and I'll bring up something that Patrick did not. A simple thing,so simple that I never see it on these pages from the writers or readers : foul shooting. We are one of the worst teams in the league. Our star ,who averages double digit attempts every night struggles at 70%.The best is our 7'3" center ! Ben Wallace struggles to draw iron ! The whole team could and should improve and if they do,we'll be playing in June next year----with this same team.
KBADM11

United States

#2 May 23, 2008
I am glad Z took a big drink of Gilbert koolaide - this team is nowhere near a championship, well unless needing 8 pieces makes you close.
East Side Joe

Chevy Chase, MD

#3 May 23, 2008
Sometime over the past year, after the big trade, it must have occurred to Danny Ferry that attempting to rush to a championship was the wrong approach. Sometime during the same period it must have occurred to Gilbert that he had hired the wrong man.

Signing Larry Hughes and company was designed more to please LeBron than design a winning team. Ferry felt he could not afford a losing season at the risk of disappointing James. While James is mature beyond his years he is not ready to be a GM and the rush to win approach failed. Cleveland should have given in to losing more earlier while developing a team.

With few exception winning teams are built piece by piece, improvement is steady and stable. Along the way you may tinker, add a piece or two, but overhauling the team twice, as Ferry has done, can only lead to a disparate team

Disparate, according to Websters
1: containing or made up of fundamentally different and often incongruous elements.

I'm reminded of my father who used to throw away the direction to assemble complicated toys, in order to save time and effort, only to break down in frustration and complain to the manufacturer that they don't know how to design toys. In the end he would go looking for the directions in the waste can. By then I would have lost interest and moved on to the next toy.

Ferry failed to follow the model he was hired to emulate. Now the Cavs are a mess really, pieces parts, a team of role players. Ferry is in a jam looking for the Ikea directions with a lopsided team and a bunch of nuts and bolts left over. It's time to call in the engineers and it is too late to start from scratch and he needs a home run aka Kevin McHale. But who is going to want to come to Cleveland knowing that James will likely be gone after two seasons? Let's hope third time is a charm and he finds the operating manual.
Use Common Sense

Kent, OH

#4 May 23, 2008
He man be a "man of reason" but I'd rather him be a "man that shoots the ball".
mdb

Pleasanton, CA

#5 May 23, 2008
for whatever reason. ilgauskas disappeared in the last games of the celtics series. he is a critical part of this team...seemingly an inside advantage that could not be matched by the celtics and he was either too tired, too soft, too old or didn't have his number called enough....
Hagen

Huntington Beach, CA

#6 May 23, 2008
mdb wrote:
for whatever reason. ilgauskas disappeared in the last games of the celtics series. he is a critical part of this team...seemingly an inside advantage that could not be matched by the celtics and he was either too tired, too soft, too old or didn't have his number called enough....
After listening to game 7 on the radio, i head a lot of "Ilgauskas with the 12 foot jmper...."
Z can hit a jumper better than 90% of other C's in the league, sure. BUT WHY IS A GUY WHO IS LIKE 7'2" ATTEMPTING 12 FT JUMPERS IN GAME 7?!

“LeBron = Born-again Tribe Fan!”

Since: May 07

Tallmadge, Ohio

#7 May 23, 2008
Seattle didn't panic this season in efforts to hurry-up and win to keep Kevin Durant happy.

No, they just sucked.

And now they have the 4th pick in the upcoming draft!

And part of the problem is due to LeBron. He was "too good" early on. You know what I'm saying. No one would have thought badly of him if he had mailed it in for the first two seasons. But his performances cost the Cavs some good talent.

So now, the only way to win is by buying a championship. Free Agents. Trades.
Moved

Naples, FL

#8 May 23, 2008
I agree with Post #1...Free throws have to be made. There is no excuse for that many missed free throws.
concerned citizen

United States

#10 May 23, 2008
East Side Joe wrote:
Sometime over the past year, after the big trade, it must have occurred to Danny Ferry that attempting to rush to a championship was the wrong approach. Sometime during the same period it must have occurred to Gilbert that he had hired the wrong man.
Signing Larry Hughes and company was designed more to please LeBron than design a winning team. Ferry felt he could not afford a losing season at the risk of disappointing James. While James is mature beyond his years he is not ready to be a GM and the rush to win approach failed. Cleveland should have given in to losing more earlier while developing a team.
With few exception winning teams are built piece by piece, improvement is steady and stable. Along the way you may tinker, add a piece or two, but overhauling the team twice, as Ferry has done, can only lead to a disparate team
Disparate, according to Websters
1: containing or made up of fundamentally different and often incongruous elements.
I'm reminded of my father who used to throw away the direction to assemble complicated toys, in order to save time and effort, only to break down in frustration and complain to the manufacturer that they don't know how to design toys. In the end he would go looking for the directions in the waste can. By then I would have lost interest and moved on to the next toy.
Ferry failed to follow the model he was hired to emulate. Now the Cavs are a mess really, pieces parts, a team of role players. Ferry is in a jam looking for the Ikea directions with a lopsided team and a bunch of nuts and bolts left over. It's time to call in the engineers and it is too late to start from scratch and he needs a home run aka Kevin McHale. But who is going to want to come to Cleveland knowing that James will likely be gone after two seasons? Let's hope third time is a charm and he finds the operating manual.
you are so so correct. from the day LB got here as an 18 year old, people were saying "he deserves a championship - he will leave if we dont get it". it was quick fix before ferry and with ferry. no one deserves a championship. LB has had a lot early in life but this catering to him hasnt helped build a team - it is a mess. Gooden should not have been traded! a budding superstar was he? no but young, dependable and talented. here we are again - LB will leave in 2 years if we dont get him a championship - if true I say good riddance then. on the other hand, if he is as mature and loyal as his supporters say, maybe he should chat with management about a plan for builiding a team - even if it takes 4 or 5 years - he still wont be 30
Idiot Basher

Cleveland, OH

#11 May 23, 2008
concerned citizen wrote:
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you are so so correct. from the day LB got here as an 18 year old, people were saying "he deserves a championship - he will leave if we dont get it". it was quick fix before ferry and with ferry. no one deserves a championship. LB has had a lot early in life but this catering to him hasnt helped build a team - it is a mess. Gooden should not have been traded! a budding superstar was he? no but young, dependable and talented. here we are again - LB will leave in 2 years if we dont get him a championship - if true I say good riddance then. on the other hand, if he is as mature and loyal as his supporters say, maybe he should chat with management about a plan for builiding a team - even if it takes 4 or 5 years - he still wont be 30
screw loyale, nobody's going to stay around and continue to lose like this. this kid may have some flaws in his game but when has he a real coach to coach him? he plays hard every night. he plays with imjuries that other guys wouldn't. the kid has given his all and took that crappy team last year to the NBA finals. what more do you want? you actually want him to stay around for 10 plus year to lose? that's just dumb, why play the game if you don't care about winning. if dan ferry can't get him the support he needs then i support LB leaving. plus the only way he leaves is to go to a contender. why go somewhere else and continue to lose when all you have to do is stay home. this losing has nothing to do with LBJ. give him just one all star and we have a championship under our belts.
eddie

Santa Monica, CA

#12 May 23, 2008
these guys are delusional if they think the team doesnt need one more great player!!!
what am i hearing

United States

#14 May 23, 2008
What is everyones problem? We are in the playoffs every year now! We are on the verge of winning it all! We have a player who is going to go down as one of the greats and he is still only a kid! Z is still one of the better centers in the league. West is a good point guard... Boobie can shoot and I think after a training camp Wally will fit in nice on this team.
This year had set backs, everyone know it was going to be hard from the start. There is a dozon teams in this league that stink and we are not one of them!!! We have 30 mil in expiring contracts, more then last year. I live in Houston now, they all think Yuo is to slow T-Mac isnt very good. They all sound like these posts? The guys on the radio talk about how Cleveland is doing things right, a team up and coming... lol you guys want to kill it before it gets off the ground??? YES there are things to work on YES they need pieces... people stop being stupid!!
Our team

Dayton, OH

#15 May 23, 2008
Next season will be much different for several reasons.

1. The trade got rid of some dead weight and added some young talent (Delonte West). Szerbiak is a 3 point threat always- and Ben if he hangs around is always a great defensive roleplayer (I don't know if you guys noticed the difference in hustle from Chicago to Cleveland). West and Gibson rotating at point will be a great combo next year.

2. We STARTED to see the potential of these guys in the playoffs. With practice and two series in the playoffs together these guys will start to gel next season.

3. We're going to get Antawn Jamison in the offseason to be the star quality player that compliments LBJ.

Although last season's big trade didn't pay off immediately I think we got some essential keys for next season. A dominant big man will put this team where it needs to be.
Our team

Dayton, OH

#16 May 23, 2008
concerned citizen wrote:
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Gooden should not have been traded!
For what we got? You're crazy. Smith is a good fill in, Wallace makes Gooden look like a school girl on D, Szerbiak and West both make up for his point production.

Not to mention the dead weight we dropped in Hughes.

Sure it didn't get us a championship this year, but it got us closer than we otherwise would've been. The trade absolutely made us stronger come playoff time.
MC Mallot

United States

#17 May 23, 2008
yeah I agree with Big Z... but on these conditions....

They are good enough to win it all, by just squeaking by and having no fluke injuries to say 'Daniel Gibson

in other words everything has to 'Just Right' they are not good enough to overpower, which should be there goal

“XEKE.COM: Check it out today”

Since: Dec 07

Cuyahoga Falls

#18 May 23, 2008
The Cavs need to follow the XEKE.com formula for success:

Step #1: Sign Antawn Jamison
Step #2: Trade for Mike Miller

The Cavs the most coveted assets in the NBA- expiring contracts. We should have plenty of money and flexibility to get this team in the right direction before the season starts.

Ideally, we will sign a stud PG, but Kerr, BJ Armstrong, and Paxson were not studs with MJ. They were pass first PGs who could drain a three at will.

Ideally, we will find a team to absorb Ben Wallace's contract- but that is highly unlikely.

Simply stated, sign Jamison and trade for Mike Miller, anything after that is gravy.
Our team

Dayton, OH

#19 May 23, 2008
Zach Myers wrote:
The Cavs need to follow the XEKE.com formula for success:
Step #1: Sign Antawn Jamison
Step #2: Trade for Mike Miller
The Cavs the most coveted assets in the NBA- expiring contracts. We should have plenty of money and flexibility to get this team in the right direction before the season starts.
Ideally, we will sign a stud PG, but Kerr, BJ Armstrong, and Paxson were not studs with MJ. They were pass first PGs who could drain a three at will.
Ideally, we will find a team to absorb Ben Wallace's contract- but that is highly unlikely.
Simply stated, sign Jamison and trade for Mike Miller, anything after that is gravy.
I really don't think we need a stud PG. I think Delonte is going to be the answer at this position. What we really need is Antawn Jamison or a stud PF/Center that takes the heat of Lebron in the paint.

Starting line-up= PG- West, SG- Gibson, SF- James, PF- Jamison, C-Z.
The Kidd

Lakewood, OH

#20 May 23, 2008
Big Z just doesn't want to get traded....
LeCavalier

United States

#21 May 23, 2008
A man of reason would pass the ball out of double teams in the post. None of the local media will print this because they've given Z a free pass. If LeBron is to blame for dribbling too much then Z is to blame for being an offensive black hole on the low block.

Watch Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Duncan passes it out of the post without hesitation to open shooters. The Spurs are unselfish so he often gets a re-entry pass.

Z is selfish.
Gregg P Frasco

AOL

#22 May 23, 2008
I agree that the Cavs have a championship caliber team. If Daniel Gibson had not been injured, I believe that the Cavs would have defeated Boston.(Remember what Gibson did to Detroit last year?)

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