How do Orlando Magic spell relief? D-...

How do Orlando Magic spell relief? D-E-F-E-N-S-E

There are 109 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Dec 25, 2007, titled How do Orlando Magic spell relief? D-E-F-E-N-S-E. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

It was a rant worthy of a YouTube spot. Orlando Magic Coach Stan Van Gundy publicly ripped into his team like no Magic coach had done before him.

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Caguas, Puerto Rico

#103 Dec 27, 2007
In the Brian Smithz article- Is It Time To Change Point Guards? he said "Arroyo often runs the team better than Nelson, but isn't much better of a defender and also has turnover issues when not under control."Again Brian Smithz is bias, as of today CA is #4 in Ast to TO ratio in all the NBA this season, JN is #38 and KD does not appear in the first 50 ?? Please BSm see the statistics before writting, or at least please try to be un-biased.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics...

Since: Sep 07

Oviedo, FL

#104 Dec 27, 2007
Notice how the majority of these posts are written by the same FEW people. Proving that the majority of people in Orlando are sick of the Magic and have no interest in them. We citizens spell relief as not wasting money on a new arena for these queens.

“Hate is a four letter word!”

Since: Dec 07

New York, NY

#105 Dec 27, 2007
maxfield wrote:
Notice how the majority of these posts are written by the same FEW people. Proving that the majority of people in Orlando are sick of the Magic and have no interest in them. We citizens spell relief as not wasting money on a new arena for these queens.
So if you don't care at all for the Magic why are you taking the time to post here?

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Since: Dec 07

New York, NY

#106 Dec 27, 2007
Mitchell UK wrote:
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Whether Deng liked the offer or not, he is a restricted free agent - no way in hell he leaves Chicago for nothing. At worst they will match any offer for him, and then trade him if he demands it. If they decide to move him in a trade before the deadline, they'll get far better offers than Jameer Nelson and $4m in expiring contracts.
Re: Kidd - Cook is struggling to break the rotation on a team devoid of any and all big men other than Dwight Howard. He has been losing minutes to Garrity over the last week or so. The Nets will not want him - most of their offense already comes from the perimeter, so why would they want a 6'9 body who rarely ventures inside the 3-point line? They need inside scoring, and neither Cook, Bogans, Evans or Redick provide it. That trade will never happen.
You can tell all of that to Paxson the next time you see him.
The Nets were complaining just last night about the lack of outside scoring, so I don't know who you were listening to. And in the world of the NBA anything is possible when dealing with a lot of money and ego's both on and off the court. Just look at what the Lakers did with Shaq. I rest my case.

Since: Mar 07

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#107 Dec 28, 2007
Philip13 wrote:
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You can tell all of that to Paxson the next time you see him.
The Nets were complaining just last night about the lack of outside scoring, so I don't know who you were listening to. And in the world of the NBA anything is possible when dealing with a lot of money and ego's both on and off the court. Just look at what the Lakers did with Shaq. I rest my case.
I'm glad you've rested such a weak case. I do listen to analysts and reporters, but I also use my own brain - the Nets are built around Jefferson (outside/slasher) Carter (outside/slasher) and Kidd (outside). They also have outside shooters in Nachbar and Antoine Wright. Their inside 'scorers' are Nenad Kristic, Sean Williams, Josh Boone and Malik Allen, none of whom is getting more than 7ppg. If you think the Nets' problems are on the perimeter, you've never watched them play.

Re: Shaq - yes, it is possible for superstars or All-Stars to get traded, and yes, often the team giving up the star loses out. But L.A got Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant and a draft pick for O'Neal. That's two versatile, All-Star quality forwards, a defensive minded forward/center and a first rounder for one guy - not two journeyman, defensive specialist swingmen and bench-warming power(using the word power loosely) forward.

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Since: Dec 07

New York, NY

#108 Dec 28, 2007
Mitchell UK wrote:
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I'm glad you've rested such a weak case. I do listen to analysts and reporters, but I also use my own brain - the Nets are built around Jefferson (outside/slasher) Carter (outside/slasher) and Kidd (outside). They also have outside shooters in Nachbar and Antoine Wright. Their inside 'scorers' are Nenad Kristic, Sean Williams, Josh Boone and Malik Allen, none of whom is getting more than 7ppg. If you think the Nets' problems are on the perimeter, you've never watched them play.
Re: Shaq - yes, it is possible for superstars or All-Stars to get traded, and yes, often the team giving up the star loses out. But L.A got Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant and a draft pick for O'Neal. That's two versatile, All-Star quality forwards, a defensive minded forward/center and a first rounder for one guy - not two journeyman, defensive specialist swingmen and bench-warming power(using the word power loosely) forward.
I never rested my case I just ended a fruitless discussion with someone who doesn't watch the nets play. And yes I watch them play since all of their games are on my cable provider. And the nets have been having a great deal of trouble with their outside game if you had actually watched them play.
And the players that the lakers got have not provided the "all star" play that you are talking about. It was one of the reasons that they went after Ariza.
And yes I get all of the games with NBA League Pass so I catch those games as well.

Since: Mar 07

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#109 Dec 28, 2007
Philip13 wrote:
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I never rested my case I just ended a fruitless discussion with someone who doesn't watch the nets play. And yes I watch them play since all of their games are on my cable provider. And the nets have been having a great deal of trouble with their outside game if you had actually watched them play.
And the players that the lakers got have not provided the "all star" play that you are talking about. It was one of the reasons that they went after Ariza.
And yes I get all of the games with NBA League Pass so I catch those games as well.
Quote from your previous post - "I rest my case".

Unfortunatly for you, I do watch the Nets play - wonders of the Internet - and it is clear to anyone that the problems they are having on the perimeter are as a result of having zero inside presence. Teams concentrate on locking down the outside because they know the Net's inside play will not hurt them. Why do you think the Nets drafted Sean Williams, signed Jamaal Magloire as a free agent and have been involved in trade discussions for power forwards and centers? They have plenty of talent at the 1, 2 and 3 (3 All-Stars, to be precise). Where they are lacking is in the post, and until they get a good 4 or 5, teams will continue to gear their defense to shutting down Kidd, Carter and Jefferson.

And whether or not the Lakers got the expected quality of play from Odom, Grant and Butler is not the point - when trades are made we are talking about balancing the talent on paper. As I said, when teams enter into a superstar for 3 or 4 player trade, the team that gets the superstar usually wins. But Shaq for Odom, Butler, Grant and draft pick was an infintely better deal for LA than a Kidd for Bogans, Evans and Cook deal would be for NJ, or a Deng/Duhon for Nelson/Dooling one would be for Chi. I'm amazed that you even think they are comparable.

“Hate is a four letter word!”

Since: Dec 07

New York, NY

#110 Dec 28, 2007
Mitchell UK wrote:
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Quote from your previous post - "I rest my case".
Unfortunatly for you, I do watch the Nets play - wonders of the Internet - and it is clear to anyone that the problems they are having on the perimeter are as a result of having zero inside presence. Teams concentrate on locking down the outside because they know the Net's inside play will not hurt them. Why do you think the Nets drafted Sean Williams, signed Jamaal Magloire as a free agent and have been involved in trade discussions for power forwards and centers? They have plenty of talent at the 1, 2 and 3 (3 All-Stars, to be precise). Where they are lacking is in the post, and until they get a good 4 or 5, teams will continue to gear their defense to shutting down Kidd, Carter and Jefferson.
And whether or not the Lakers got the expected quality of play from Odom, Grant and Butler is not the point - when trades are made we are talking about balancing the talent on paper. As I said, when teams enter into a superstar for 3 or 4 player trade, the team that gets the superstar usually wins. But Shaq for Odom, Butler, Grant and draft pick was an infintely better deal for LA than a Kidd for Bogans, Evans and Cook deal would be for NJ, or a Deng/Duhon for Nelson/Dooling one would be for Chi. I'm amazed that you even think they are comparable.
The nets play inside is hampered by their lack of outside scoring. Their big men are being double teamed all of the time because the opposing teams know that the nets lack any kind of threat from the outside. Now that is what you see when you watch the nets play on the telly.
About the Lakers that was the point and you pointed that out to me. So now suddenly it is not the point at all so why post it if it wasn't the point.
So basicly we get to the real truth that it is just your "expert" viewpoint that this would not work.
Before you get all hot and excited I should memtion that I didn't start this train of thought but several experts who seem to know a lot more then you or me started this kind of talk. But all of them said that the nets would preferr Redick over Bogans.

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Since: Dec 07

New York, NY

#111 Dec 28, 2007
Well Orlando forgot how to play defense once again and struggled to beat the Heat. The Heat were without the services of their pg's and both of their big men and yet they almost beat the Magic.
The Magic had to go into overtime to beat back the Heat.

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