Carlisle deserves better, but he likely will take fall for this...

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At some point, it comes back to the coach. That's the way it is in the NBA, more than any other professional sports league, and that's the way it's going to go with Rick Carlisle, whose Indiana Pacers lost ...

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playa

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Mar 26, 2007
 
You gotta be kidding me, this must be for conversation ,You still blame Club Rio,the fight in Motown and Ron for all the pacers loses. Larry is not the golden boy you think he is. When he coached we had alot of guys like Mark Jackson and Reggie that new how to coach each other. When you learn the game then write the column!
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#2
Mar 26, 2007
 
People in this town are way too hip to the game to think the Pacers will have turned over a new leaf by firing Carlisle.

They understand it is time to blow up the roster...if that is even possible with all the lousy contracts we have. And I think the fans know who the real culprit is (the people who offered those contracts). Having said that, Carlisle has committed his own sins and it is time for him to go. And dear God, Bird is NOT the answer at coach. Let's not forget that Rick was the man behind the curtain when Larry was coaching. You think the Pacers are a joke now? Put Larry on the bench with these yo-yos and watch the real fun begin.
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#3
Mar 26, 2007
 
Don't blame Carlisle. This mess belongs to Walsh and Bird.
Pete

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#4
Mar 26, 2007
 
BINGO! We have a winner. If Larry wants these guys, let him deal with them on a daily basis.
Bill

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#5
Mar 26, 2007
 
The Pacers attempted to win cheaply by signing guys like Artest and Jackson for money that was much less than their talents indicate, but they were cheap because they have major issues. It has completely backfired. I was so excited about this team after they almost won the east conf finals, but now my feelings are at an all-time low. Yes, Carlisle will take the fall. I don't feel too bad for him. It's a players' league. I'd like to see us cut Tinsley and take the loss. I doubt we can even trade him.
Bill

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#6
Mar 26, 2007
 
Maybe Isiah would trade for Tinsley to the Knicks. He was Isiah's project, and that's really the best he's ever played. Although the Knicks already have Starbury at the point. Maybe that could be the trade. Don't think the Knicks would go for that though. We'd have to give up much more, and we don't have much to give.
Marty Katz

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#7
Mar 26, 2007
 
Bob-I read what you are saying,I understand what you are saying but...Are you ACTUALLY saying that Rick Carlisle is the the COACH who SHOULD be coaching this team?? Mr. Micro-manager,no emotion,holier-than-thou attitude COACH?? I agree with your TINSLEY analysis(and by the way-did you see REGGIEMILLERLEGEND cooments about him on TNT on tues? RIGHT...ON!),and O'Neal is way too INCONSISTANT in his role as THE NEW REGGIE STAR OF THE FRANCHISE GUY (where was SUNDAYS performance the other 60 some games he played this season?). But...Harrington was inconsistant in his time here. And Stephen Jackson isen't Artest-but has some of those Artest Knuckleheaded tendencies. Meanwhile Dunleavy HAS played better ALL OF A SUDDEN. Bottom line is for the PACERS to get rid of Carlisle and get the MOST RESPECTED guy in the FRANCHISE back-LARRY LEGEND! Or...if not him..someone who has some kind of personality!
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#8
Mar 26, 2007
 
Carlisle is a college coach, Bird needs to enjoy new found retirement. They brought Bird in to sell some seats, be a draw for the team. The problem came in when he thought he was a real GM. He signed Carlisle to a extension just incase he had to fire him the pacers would still have to pay him. Talk about the buddy system. This is a Sham!!!
hear me now

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Mar 26, 2007
 
Marty Katz wrote:
Bob-I read what you are saying,I understand what you are saying but...Are you ACTUALLY saying that Rick Carlisle is the the COACH who SHOULD be coaching this team?? Mr. Micro-manager,no emotion,holier-than-thou attitude COACH?? I agree with your TINSLEY analysis(and by the way-did you see REGGIEMILLERLEGEND cooments about him on TNT on tues? RIGHT...ON!),and O'Neal is way too INCONSISTANT in his role as THE NEW REGGIE STAR OF THE FRANCHISE GUY (where was SUNDAYS performance the other 60 some games he played this season?). But...Harrington was inconsistant in his time here. And Stephen Jackson isen't Artest-but has some of those Artest Knuckleheaded tendencies. Meanwhile Dunleavy HAS played better ALL OF A SUDDEN. Bottom line is for the PACERS to get rid of Carlisle and get the MOST RESPECTED guy in the FRANCHISE back-LARRY LEGEND! Or...if not him..someone who has some kind of personality!
Let Bird coach and they will have the top pick in the draft!
Jim

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#10
Mar 26, 2007
 
I couldm't agree more. The comments concerning Jamal Tinsley were exactly what I have been saying for the last three or four years. He is not a valid starting point guard. Decent backup, maybe, but not a starter.
Thanks for saying what some of us feel.
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#11
Mar 26, 2007
 
"And then there was the regrettably misguided idea of re-signing Tinsley to a long-term deal. Even if you're willing to assume Tinsley is innocent of the charges that have been brought against him, you have to be disgusted by his attitude and performance. Tinsley with a long-term guarantee is like giving a drunk the key to the liquor cabinet."

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!
RAW SPEAKS

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#12
Mar 26, 2007
 
Kravitz,
You must be drunk! Carlisle, Bird and Walsh are the blame..Carlisle can't coach a PEE-WEE TEAM..No discipline, no respect, no control...All 3 needs to go..If you keep those 3, the Pacers will be the worst franchise ever..I will not waste my MONEY on a pathetic team with a pathetic coach, and a pathetic front office...If you want a true coach, there are some out there...Larry needs to go back to French Lick and hide...Tinsley needs to sit on the bench! Dunleavy and Murphy are less than average, bench warmers who don't have a clue...TRADE O'NEAL and DUNLEAVY TO THE LAKERS AND SEE IF YOU CAN GET 4 GOOD PLAYERS THAT HUSTLE AND WANT TO WIN...START OVER...
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#13
Mar 26, 2007
 
I think Carlise is the problem. In this day and age the Bob Knight coaching style just doesn't work. In my opinion Larry Bird needs to be fired for these stupid trades.Troy Murphy can't guard his shadow...and Dunleavy's a good college player. Fire Bird and Carlise and hire Mark Jackson to be our coach. Donnie Walsh will be just fine with out Larry the good ball player but poor president Bird.
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#14
Mar 26, 2007
 
Yes I agree Larry Bird should take over, but Rick can only do so much. They are not Children although they act like it.
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#15
Mar 26, 2007
 
Yes I agree Larry Bird should take over, but Rick can only do so much. They are not Children although they act like it. They all need to be grounded without pay, maybe then they would learn something
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#16
Mar 26, 2007
 
Bird was a great player, but he is not a coach and he definately should not be in any position where he is making personnel decisions. He couldn't pick talent if he had to.

Both Bird and Carlisle have to go.
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#17
Mar 26, 2007
 
Bird once said that players stop listening to a coach after 3 years. So why in the hell has he kept him so long!!!! Players present and in the past have said they do not want to play with Carlisle's style. Why do you think Detroit got rid of him even though they won 55 games???Carlisle micro-management style is much more suited to the college game where you can get away with that coaching boys, but not with grown men. Bobby Knight would have never lasted in the pros for the same reason.
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#18
Mar 26, 2007
 
I agree with everything you are saying, with one exception. I think the extent of Carlisle's culpability in this mess is that his coaching style is a poor fit with the team that has been assembled. It is the responsibility of the front office to either hire a coach to fit the talent and style of the team, or hire a team that fits the coach. The front office has failed in this regard and placed Carlisle in an untenable position. I really believe that with his style of micromanagement and heavily structured offense he would be a great fit for the college game, probably at the mid-major level where he has a chance of assembling a team that actually wants to be taught and receive direction. In the NBA or in a college program that is an NBA factory the players are likely to tune him out by the end of a full season. Knowing the type of coach they had in Carlisle, I just find myself scratching my head and wondering what the heck Donnie and Larry were thinking in putting this team together.

All that said, I actually believe that Bird would have the best shot of improving this team as a coach. Not because I think he is a great coach, but because I think this bunch of knuckleheads would feel tremendous pressure being coached by a living legend. They would have no excuses, especially since Larry took the Pacers to the finals once before.

But the best move is to allow Carlisle to graciously move on, package O'Neil in a trade, dump Tinsley regardless of the cost, and try to see if this team can survive after cancer surgery.....
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#19
Mar 26, 2007
 
Your wrong Kravitz!!! Bird would never want to coach a pathetic team he helped create. The person to coach the Pacers with control over player personel is the one and only REGGIE MILLER!!!!

Since: Mar 07

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#20
Mar 26, 2007
 
I think Rick IS the problem as well......... it wasn't noticable while Reggie was here because Reggie took control and the Pacers have NO ONE like that.
No one who wants to be accountable, NO ONE who cares if they win or not........ Not really.......or if they do .......... how can we tell?

Rick has run his course here and unfortunately I think so Has Larry ......... and maybe also Walsh.

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