Andres Nocioni's season may not be flop after all

There are 20 comments on the Dec 18, 2008, Chicago Tribune story titled Andres Nocioni's season may not be flop after all. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Clippers big man Marcus Camby called Andres Nocioni a flopper. So did Camby's coach, Mike Dunleavy.

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Southeast Side Charlie

Chicago, IL

#1 Dec 19, 2008
Noce is the man! He is not only a flopper, but an intense competitor. I love this guy. With how thin the NBA is these days, who'd else would we have to bring the kind of energy Noce provides on a consistent basis? Even if his game is off (I hate how 3 happy he gets too), he impacts the game "dramatically." The Bullls are better with him than without him. I'd hated the thought that I'd see him in another uniform. He makes plays! I'd like to see him in better shape. He looks like he's liking the NBA life a little much. Peace.
Willie

Crystal Lake, IL

#2 Dec 19, 2008
bulls problems have been there are too many shooting the tree instead of driving to the hole. how many on this team shoot and miss? noseeoni, dribble and clank heinwreck, gordon the gunner goner, tyrus the regressor, deng is a dang, the smoke em if you you got em joker. sorry, too many good nba teams to watch this second rate nba franchise. i've been enjoying the nba since the 60s with wilt, west, goodrich, happy hairston playing against the celtics. the bulls previous ownership got lucky drafting michael jordan, and jerry's kids took full credit ending it prematurely. the bulls need to move to rockford. bring in a new team...how about the chicago skyscrapers?
the truth is out there

Matteson, IL

#3 Dec 19, 2008
do work son!
new trier grad 03

Chicago, IL

#4 Dec 19, 2008
Love Noce, love my Noce jersey. I have to say i was really disappointed in his decision to get a hair trimming. He also has lost a step but hes still my boy!

“Thank you, come again!”

Since: Dec 07

Chi Town

#5 Dec 19, 2008
Looks like the Celtics are about to add another notch under their belt...
Hilsto

Rockford, IL

#6 Dec 19, 2008
Noc has sucked 9 out of the last 10 games if you have been watching. He has been fouling out of frustration and has been out of control. I have no use for "grit" if it is stupid and not smart. His antics with the refs have not been paying off this season. I am tired of seeing him complain and flap his arms at the refs with every single call. That preconditions the refs to not favor our team in the long run. They don't like a team of whiners. If you want to see a smart, gritty guy look at Posey on the Celtics last year. Now that is a guy who can give you the extra knocks at the right moments without hurting the team. Noc seems valuable to us since we have stoic guys like Deng and Rose on the team, but if you've been watching the games you can see it hasn't been paying off. Noc also has been playing injured way too much already. The last thing we need is for him to get even worse old man knees and become even slower than he already is.
Mgray

Atlanta, GA

#7 Dec 19, 2008
This team has 2 NBA caliber players quality players.
Now Wait a Minute

Munster, IN

#8 Dec 19, 2008
As someone somewhere else put eloquently- get used to this beating mediocre opponents and occasionly catching a better team on an off-night.
This is a team treading water with no game plan for the future unless they get lucky in a trade or with a draft next year in which they get someone who plays better than advertised.
NOCE FAN

West Chicago, IL

#9 Dec 19, 2008
I love Noce, but then again I am Argentinean. Honestly, I think he has to play more within himself. He should let the game come to him more, and switch between 3 point playing and slashing to the basket. He should shoot the 3 once every two possessions he is involved in. If the shot isn't there, he should have the presence of mind to swing the ball to the next open man.
Alex

Chicago, IL

#10 Dec 19, 2008
Scooby Do's Shaggy the Macho Cry-Baby is not a NBA starter and he like Klank Hinrich is too slow.....they are career inconsistent shooters....

The sooner the Bulls get rid of these two "core" players the sooner they become 500 team..........

Where is fragile Deng???

Keep Rose,Gordon,Hughes & Gooden and flush the rest.
Mel

Chicago, IL

#11 Dec 19, 2008
Camby, you got 27 rebounds so shut the hell up. Nocioni against Zach Randolph. I would have called the foul too. Nocioni clearly got elbowed in the face. How is that a flop? Nocioni pays a price as well. No official is dying to give him a call. Calls are still reserved for superstars or teams that play the Bulls. Bobcats getting 40 foul calls? What's that.
Polly

Chicago, IL

#12 Dec 19, 2008
One thing nice about Heinrich being out is that the Bulls have one less whine-to-the-refs player on the court.

Flopping is part of Noce's game. He just needs to quit with the complaining and arm flapping after calls against him.

And get a buzz cut.
PLS

AOL

#13 Dec 19, 2008
There was a time when Noce looked like an NBA starter but that time has passed. His game has been on the decline the past two seasons. He's lost a step or two, as well as confidence in his shooting. And his whining at the refs is unbearable.

Hopefully, he re-discovers his game, stops forcing so many things, and becomes a valuable nuisance off the bench. And I agree, the scruffy buzz-cut works better than the 70s shag thing he's doing.
Rey

United States

#14 Dec 19, 2008
Although Nocioni is known to flop I cant believe this particular incident is being called one. Im not sure if they only showed the replay on the station i was watching (CSN) but he clearly took an elbow to the face, im suprised he got up so fast. Teams need to stop winning THey lost! Simple as that.
Tweener Scuds

Glendale, CA

#15 Dec 19, 2008
Is it safe to leave trading our only low post threat (Gooden) to Paxson, based his history of getting only players that the coaches would not put on the floor (plus Tyrus Thomas, and, of course, the other Thomas)? Gooden can be a 20/10 guy and is a co-captain, obviously a good influence on the other guys.

The big problem is getting rid of Hinrich's bloated contract. He made Tyson and Eddie look bad, because Hinrich was not good at getting the ball to the post. Do you agree? Or am I more off base than Paxson?
.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#16 Dec 19, 2008
Willie wrote:
bulls problems have been there are too many shooting the tree instead of driving to the hole. how many on this team shoot and miss? noseeoni, dribble and clank heinwreck, gordon the gunner goner, tyrus the regressor, deng is a dang, the smoke em if you you got em joker. sorry, too many good nba teams to watch this second rate nba franchise. i've been enjoying the nba since the 60s with wilt, west, goodrich, happy hairston playing against the celtics. the bulls previous ownership got lucky drafting michael jordan, and jerry's kids took full credit ending it prematurely. the bulls need to move to rockford. bring in a new team...how about the chicago skyscrapers?
Do you have a problem with the capital letter? Is your key stuck?
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#17 Dec 19, 2008
Hilsto wrote:
Noc has sucked 9 out of the last 10 games if you have been watching. He has been fouling out of frustration and has been out of control. I have no use for "grit" if it is stupid and not smart. His antics with the refs have not been paying off this season. I am tired of seeing him complain and flap his arms at the refs with every single call. That preconditions the refs to not favor our team in the long run. They don't like a team of whiners. If you want to see a smart, gritty guy look at Posey on the Celtics last year. Now that is a guy who can give you the extra knocks at the right moments without hurting the team. Noc seems valuable to us since we have stoic guys like Deng and Rose on the team, but if you've been watching the games you can see it hasn't been paying off. Noc also has been playing injured way too much already. The last thing we need is for him to get even worse old man knees and become even slower than he already is.
He's better than you are.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#18 Dec 19, 2008
NOCE FAN wrote:
I love Noce, but then again I am Argentinean. Honestly, I think he has to play more within himself. He should let the game come to him more, and switch between 3 point playing and slashing to the basket. He should shoot the 3 once every two possessions he is involved in. If the shot isn't there, he should have the presence of mind to swing the ball to the next open man.
I think all the Un-Watcha-Bulls should just put the ball up once they come across the time line and run for the rebounds and just fire it up again.
The first five guys to score near half court get to play until they get tired.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#19 Dec 19, 2008
Now Wait a Minute wrote:
As someone somewhere else put eloquently- get used to this beating mediocre opponents and occasionly catching a better team on an off-night.
This is a team treading water with no game plan for the future unless they get lucky in a trade or with a draft next year in which they get someone who plays better than advertised.
This is a pretty good plan for the Bulls, actually.
The Un-Watcha-Bulls suck so much that no decent team could possibly get motivated to play them and might even go out drinking prior to the game like my softball team does.
The Un-Watcha-Bulls could get about 7-10 wins this year playing drinking teams and could grab the final seed.
I don't know if these teams will keep drinking in the playoffs, though.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#20 Dec 19, 2008
Alex wrote:
Scooby Do's Shaggy the Macho Cry-Baby is not a NBA starter and he like Klank Hinrich is too slow.....they are career inconsistent shooters....
The sooner the Bulls get rid of these two "core" players the sooner they become 500 team..........
Where is fragile Deng???
Keep Rose,Gordon,Hughes & Gooden and flush the rest.
Gordon, Hughes and Gooden are the three top reasons this team is so bad.
They need to be flushed, just as your posts do.

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