No time to lose their cool

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How things have changed in a week for the Indiana Pacers. Offensive holding: Pacers guard Darrell Armstrong is restrained and carried off the court by teammate Mike Dunleavy after Armstrong was ejected in the ...
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HoosierbyChoice

Newark, OH

#1 Feb 10, 2007
STOP THE EXCUSE MAKING-No Sympathy! "What goes around comes around"- I feel what happens OFF the court (earlier this week) can lead to "team chemistry problems" and frustration ON the court for the entire team. Is it that we now have a well deserved national reputation? PACER'S CARLISLE, BIRD, WALSH, SIMON'S lack of backbone allows EMBARASMENTS TO INDY; Pacer's "Leadership" MUST STOP the enabling EXCUSE MAKING for some Pacer's player's repeated and consistent lack of character...and hold them accountable above and beyond alleged criminal behavior.

For as much CLASS as Coach Dungy and the Colt's Super Bowl Champs exude, one would NEVER GUESS that the Pacer's played for the same city. I REFUSE to sit in a Pacer's seat for free.

No wonder they can't GIVE away enough Pacer's tickets to fill up Conseco Fieldhouse at this point-what a shame. Just when I thought CARLISLE, BIRD and WALSH had developed some BACKBONE by getting rid of Artest over the Disaster in Detroit and Jackson over the Strip Club parking lot shots....to TRY to fill up some seats.

These FOOLS need to learn some CHARACTER and the ability to WALK AWAY FROM TROUBLE-not seek it out...finding a way to get offended and throw their size and egos around town. This is Indianapolis not BAGHDAD. Pay me a few million to swallow some pride and walk away from a confrontation-any FOOL would-these are not the streets the highest crime areas of the nation.

If Colt's players can stay out of trouble during Super Bowl Weekend in Miami-surely Pacer's players can STOP LOOKING FOR TROUBLE and CONFRONTATION on a Tuesday night in Indianapolis.

Instead Pacer's Management and players want to make excuses for these headlines;
The manager told police he approached Tinsley and told him the fight did not involve him or his party. At this time, the manager said Tinsley became hostile towards him and that King shoved the manager.

According to the POLICE REPORT HERE http://wthr.images.worldnow.com/images/incomi ... the manager said Tinsley told him,"I guess you don't know who I am. I will **** kill you," and then Tinsley struck him with a closed fist on the left side of his head. King and Daniels then began to strike the manager, according to the police report, and the manager suffered a possible broken jaw and torn ear. Now Tinsley, Daniels and McLeod want to claim they were "just on their way out" of 8 Second Saloon..GIVE ME A BREAK.
Pacer players INABILITY and REFUSAL to walk around and away from trouble is an INSULT TO THE FANS and a repeated slap in the face to “soft” management. We consistently see these alleged criminals right back on the court and on TV starting the very next game-“while the investigation is being completed”.
Ironically, these players have been some of the team’s most talented on the court-but that is NOT ENOUGH-TO SELL SEATS IN THE INDIANAPOLIS MARKET IT TAKES MORE THAN TALENT. NOW IT TAKES CLASS-Players must avoid a long team history criminal behavior and too soft and delayed management response in the least! Indianapolis, Pacer's fans and Pacer's Management and Leasership must DEMAND RESPECT for those fortunate few who represent this city on a national level. Now Indianapolis knows it deserves better. Now we must expect more from those who are priveledged to represent Indianapolis.

With the "Reggie Miller era" gone the Pacer's Management desperately needs to humbly ask Dungy how to develop a team with men of CHARACTER not just talented players-I imagine the Dungy faith based approach could prove effective for a player character turnaround.

The Pacer's team is more important than any top performing individual players. Pacer's leadership must preserve and protect what little goodwill is left of the Pacer's Brand in the hearts, wallets, purses and corporate expense accounts of the greater Indiana sports marketplace. We appreciate the Colt's example!
Robin

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Feb 10, 2007
Maybe it is time for the coach to go as well as the bad sports examples on the team. I am ashamed of the Pacers. I would not attend and game and have even given up watching them. WE MISS The Reggie days!
Tired of Pacers

Lexington, KY

#3 Feb 10, 2007
The Nascar season starts soon, forget the Pacers and concentrate on some good old fashioned racin'!
pacer joe

Dunkirk, IN

#6 Feb 10, 2007
Carey wrote:
STOP THE EXCUSE MAKING-No Sympathy! "What goes around comes around"- I feel what happens OFF the court (earlier this week) can lead to "team chemistry problems" and frustration ON the court for the entire team. Is it that we now have a well deserved national reputation? PACER'S CARLISLE, BIRD, WALSH, SIMON'S lack of backbone allows EMBARASMENTS TO INDY; Pacer's "Leadership" MUST STOP the enabling EXCUSE MAKING for some Pacer's player's repeated and consistent lack of character...and hold them accountable above and beyond alleged criminal behavior.
For as much CLASS as Coach Dungy and the Colt's Super Bowl Champs exude, one would NEVER GUESS that the Pacer's played for the same city. I REFUSE to sit in a Pacer's seat for free.
No wonder they can't GIVE away enough Pacer's tickets to fill up Conseco Fieldhouse at this point-what a shame. Just when I thought CARLISLE, BIRD and WALSH had developed some BACKBONE by getting rid of Artest over the Disaster in Detroit and Jackson over the Strip Club parking lot shots....to TRY to fill up some seats.
These FOOLS need to learn some CHARACTER and the ability to WALK AWAY FROM TROUBLE-not seek it out...finding a way to get offended and throw their size and egos around town. This is Indianapolis not BAGHDAD. Pay me a few million to swallow some pride and walk away from a confrontation-any FOOL would-these are not the streets the highest crime areas of the nation.
If Colt's players can stay out of trouble during Super Bowl Weekend in Miami-surely Pacer's players can STOP LOOKING FOR TROUBLE and CONFRONTATION on a Tuesday night in Indianapolis.
Instead Pacer's Management and players want to make excuses for these headlines;
The manager told police he approached Tinsley and told him the fight did not involve him or his party. At this time, the manager said Tinsley became hostile towards him and that King shoved the manager.
According to the POLICE REPORT HERE http://wthr.images.worldnow.com/images/incomi ... the manager said Tinsley told him,"I guess you don't know who I am. I will **** kill you," and then Tinsley struck him with a closed fist on the left side of his head. King and Daniels then began to strike the manager, according to the police report, and the manager suffered a possible broken jaw and torn ear. Now Tinsley, Daniels and McLeod want to claim they were "just on their way out" of 8 Second Saloon..GIVE ME A BREAK.
Pacer players INABILITY and REFUSAL to walk around and away from trouble is an INSULT TO THE FANS and a repeated slap in the face to “soft” management. We consistently see these alleged criminals right back on the court and on TV starting the very next game-“while the investigation is being completed”.
en some of the team’s most talented on the courtIronically, these players have been some -but that is NOT ENOUGH-TO SELL SEATS IN THE INDIANAPOLIS MARKET IT TAKES MORE THAN TALENT. NOW IT TAKES CLASS Now Indianapolis knows it deserves better. Now we must expect more from those who are priveledged to represent Indianapolis.
With the "Reggie Miller era" gone the Pacer's Management desperately needs to humbly ask Dungy how to develop a team with men of CHARACTER not just talented players-I imagine the Dungy faith based approach could prove effective for a player character turnaround.
The Pacer's team is more important than any top performing individual players. Pacer's leadership must preserve and protect what little goodwill is left of the Pacer's Brand in the hearts, wallets, purses and corporate expense accounts of the greater Indiana sports marketplace. We appreciate the Colt's example!
Way to show your clASS and key note to police report first sentence says THE MANAGER SAID how truthful is the manager of this bar? You qucik to say the pacers are lying how about the bar manager??? by the away front page publicity for your bar for free PRICELESS
Jae

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Feb 10, 2007
I watched the game and would have liked to wrung some officials necks. They plainly showed they were not going to let the Pacers win. I think the statement Quinn made at the start went on the whole game ticky-tacky foul
when it came to the Pacers.
And was Jamal out late the night before, again? He sure played like it. These guys need bedchecks like High Schoolers. His nightlife is in the way of his talent.
Pacer fan Norway

Stavanger, Norway

#8 Feb 10, 2007
Tired of Pacers wrote:
The Nascar season starts soon, forget the Pacers and concentrate on some good old fashioned racin'!
OK, "tired of pacers". We are getting tired of you acting like you don't care but still write feed backs all the time......
mike ferruzza

Skokie, IL

#9 Feb 10, 2007
fire coach, trade off team.
Hire reggie miller as head coach.
Fire Larry bird.
Paceman

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Feb 10, 2007
I missed the game last night but it sounds like alot of frustrations to me,people are going to compare this with there off court problems. I said from the get go that Tinsley needed to be traded as well. I believe Donnie and Larry are great at evaluating basketball talent but can"t evaluate the quality of their personality.
Swan

Lexington, KY

#11 Feb 10, 2007
OK, I love the Colts as much as the next guy but let it go. Secondly, the manager said? The police report? Are you serious? Just because it's in a report doesn't make it fact. Lastly, your comments are way too long. Short and to the point...come on... you can do better.
Uh huh

Louisville, KY

#12 Feb 10, 2007
What this team lacks is leadership. If we'll all remember back not too long ago, we were reading embarrassing stories about the Colts' antics off the field. That all seemed to go away when a certain coach named Tony Dungy came to town. Even the team owner cleaned up his act when Dungy got here. There are certain people who inspire those around them to be better. Obviously the Colts have found that person and the Pacers have not.
Paul

United States

#13 Feb 10, 2007
Tinsley 3-16?? Glad the game wasn't on TV in Northern IN. Happier still that I didn't pack up my family (and $350+) and drive down.

Seems the reason to go to a Pacers game at this point is to watch the stars from the other team. Sad.
Scott Inman

Burlington, KY

#14 Feb 10, 2007
I will not hide under any false name here. I too miss the Reggie days. A bad team with good character is better than a great team with these issue. This is barely an average team with only average players. They wouldn't even be talked about on Sportscenter if it wasn't for the bad choices they make. And yes they are all choices. No one makes these guys do this. I don't know how to fix this team. I am not a GM. What I do know is that who we have in charge don;t know either and as a fan that scares me.
Maybe it really is time to do a reality check and do the spring cleaning and get rid of player and office personal.
As for now I don't go to games anymore, and am ashamed to wear any Pacers gear. Thank God I have my Colts wear.
jct

New Albany, IN

#15 Feb 10, 2007
Nice article, Carey of Carmel. But I did see one mistake in your posting. Where you said ... "PACER management need to DEMAND RESPECT". How can you demand respect? I always thought you earned respect. Maybe I've been wrong all these years.
Steve Brooks

AOL

#16 Feb 10, 2007
I hope that the city of Indianapolis can see the stark difference between the Pacers and the Colts and the how differently the 2 organizations are run. These players from the Pacers are a disgrace to the city. Walsh, Bird and Carlisle need to get involved with their players and find out what they are doing and what's going on with them. These players are spoiled millionaires who if they are going to act irresponsible need to be fined suspended of whatever until they get the message this behavior cannot and will not be tolerated. I had actually thought the Pacers turned the corner and where rebuilding their image after they dumped Jackson, but I guess we were all fooled. Tony Dungy summed it all up on Monday night when he said they we would recommend everyone of his players to young men to grow up and be like. Can the Pacers say the same thing? I think not! Walsh, Bird and Carlisle need to get their head out of the sand. Maybe the change needs to start from the very top and work its way down.
A very UNHAPPY Pacer fan.
smellin like a rose

United States

#17 Feb 10, 2007
larry has got to make like a byrd and fly --- far, far away & get somone who can di it beter --not hard to find--
Indy can't take much more of this abuse by the thug/pacer team.
smellin like a rose

United States

#19 Feb 10, 2007
mike ferruzza wrote:
fire coach, trade off team.
Hire reggie miller as head coach.
Fire Larry bird.
sounds like a plan!
Steve

AOL

#18 Feb 10, 2007
I hope that the city of Indianapolis can see the stark difference between the Pacers and the Colts and the how differently the 2 organizations are run. These players from the Pacers are a disgrace to the city. Walsh, Bird and Carlisle need to get involved with their players and find out what they are doing and what's going on with them. These players are spoiled millionaires who if they are going to act irresponsible need to be fined suspended of whatever until they get the message this behavior cannot and will not be tolerated. I had actually thought the Pacers turned the corner and where rebuilding their image after they dumped Jackson, but I guess we were all fooled. Tony Dungy summed it all up on Monday night when he said they we would recommend everyone of his players to young men to grow up and be like. Can the Pacers say the same thing? I think not! Walsh, Bird and Carlisle need to get their head out of the sand. Maybe the change needs to start from the very top and work its way down.
A very UNHAPPY Pacer fan.
Steve Brooks
smellin like a rose

United States

#20 Feb 10, 2007
where the hell are the Simons, anyway?
dtgar

Cloverdale, IN

#21 Feb 10, 2007
love how we kick teams when things are not going well the team has to unify and to quote slick just win baby and the critics will go away
jim arnold

Carmel, IN

#22 Feb 10, 2007
I think it will take awhile for the Pacers to play like a team. as much as i like Jamal he needs to stop crying and just play.

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