Williams' time arrives

Williams' time arrives

There are 26 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jan 10, 2008, titled Williams' time arrives. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

In the rotation. Out of the rotation. It appears Shawne Williams is about to get his chance to stay in the rotation.

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Lee in Huntsville-AL

Grovetown, GA

#1 Jan 11, 2008
Well, it's about time!
First, I'd like to say I don't envy the coach one bit. It's got to be difficult coming into an organization and seeing the talent you have only to realize after weeks of practise sessions, experimenting with different lineups and plugging holes due to injuries that one or two of the players you had hoped would begin to "get it" still haven't grasped the mechanics of what you're trying to teach in order to move your team forward.
I, for one, am glad that Williams and Deiner will finally begin to see more playing time. Williams displayed alot of confidence in the games played in immediately following his team-imposed suspension. He has quickness, but more important he makes good decisions when he on the court. I think there were some things he needed to work on defensively, but I've long been of the opinion he'd come in and be able to get the job done.
Deiner will push the tempo! This guy's a speed demon!! He has fast hands and alot more ball control than most people realize. His problem was his defense, but I think he's getting better at it.
These two players along with the coach going with a smaller lineup may finally provide the fans that consistent "uptempo" team we've been promised before the season began. Going smaller may not be what the coach wanted to do because the Pacers don't have the height in the front-court to match power-for-power against most teams, but what they lack in size and strength, I think they will certainly make up for it in quickness and agility.
If the smaller lineup can keep pace w/the Suns, odds are very good they can out pace anyone! The question, of course, will be can they sustain that pace and do those little things in end-game situations to get the win?
Poise and composure, smart execution and teamwork should now be their watch words.
come on

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Jan 11, 2008
Any move towards the Williams, Deiner and Granger as "who" this team is comes as a welcome. Until they can get the Tinsley and O'Neal stamp or stink off this franchise they are destined to be right where they sit today and no better. And quite possibly even worse.
Two years ago everyone was afraid about blowing up the team and starting over. Well they've wasted 2 years and going no where and they are still going to have to do it. Hang in there guys, playas like Tinsley and JO are so caught up in themselves and have such an exaggerated perception of their game and worth they will soon, hopefully demand a trade and move on. That is if anyone will take them.
done

Camby, IN

#3 Jan 11, 2008
so what.
Shawn Rodgers

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Jan 11, 2008
I have been waiting for the Pacers to go small ball and it appears its about ready to happen.
Fell Down Funked Up

Australia

#5 Jan 11, 2008
come on wrote:
Any move towards the Williams, Deiner and Granger as "who" this team is comes as a welcome. Until they can get the Tinsley and O'Neal stamp or stink off this franchise they are destined to be right where they sit today and no better. And quite possibly even worse.
Two years ago everyone was afraid about blowing up the team and starting over. Well they've wasted 2 years and going no where and they are still going to have to do it. Hang in there guys, playas like Tinsley and JO are so caught up in themselves and have such an exaggerated perception of their game and worth they will soon, hopefully demand a trade and move on. That is if anyone will take them.
Actually, they *have* blown up the team, several times in the last couple of years. Or do you forget just why we have Dunleavy and Murphy on the team. I think many of the Pacers' roster issues came from utterly reactionary roster moves that were made as short-term efforts to placate the fans (the SJax trade, and the two trades involving Harrington). When an organization makes hasty roster moves, more likely than not they get bad contracts in return, not equal talent. So, go on, agitate as much as you can to run JO out of town even though he's the top rebounder and shot blocker on the team. With his salary, you'll get a whole slew of Troy Murphy's in return.

Too many Pacer fans make JO and Tinsley WAY too personal of an issue, and fail to consider things like the salary cap.
Mike-Cordry Lake

Mansfield, OH

#6 Jan 11, 2008
Shawne has shown he is an excellent shooting touch and plays decent defense. I really thought he should have been the one getting a chance at the end of the Suns game the other night. Shawne if you read this remember your not a shooting guard and give Jeff Foster some help with offensive rebounds. Another rebound or two might have helped you guys win that game. Anyway, good luck out west.
WTF

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Jan 11, 2008
come on wrote:
Any move towards the Williams, Deiner and Granger as "who" this team is comes as a welcome. Until they can get the Tinsley and O'Neal stamp or stink off this franchise they are destined to be right where they sit today and no better. And quite possibly even worse.
Two years ago everyone was afraid about blowing up the team and starting over. Well they've wasted 2 years and going no where and they are still going to have to do it. Hang in there guys, playas like Tinsley and JO are so caught up in themselves and have such an exaggerated perception of their game and worth they will soon, hopefully demand a trade and move on. That is if anyone will take them.
I couldn't agree more. Give these young guys a chance to play.
supercolts

Chicago, IL

#8 Jan 11, 2008
This team needs to go small ball. That is when the Pacers play best. If the Pacers can hang with the Suns going small then they should be alot more competitive against all the other teams in the league. Make the other teams adjust to our team and make them try to match out long athletic players like granger, williams, daniels, and dunleavy. and Please Pacers get more physical and drive to the hoop for the either a layup or a foul
Chris

Henderson, KY

#9 Jan 11, 2008
I'm glad to see O'Brien is willing to try new things in terms of moving around secondary players. I doubt we have a magic rotation that will suddenly make this team a winner. But, that said, we've got to figure out who can do what so that we can figure out whom to trade and what we need in the draft. That's the only way to break this cycle.
Brian

Lebanon, IN

#10 Jan 11, 2008
Fell Down Funked Up wrote:
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So, go on, agitate as much as you can to run JO out of town even though he's the top rebounder and shot blocker on the team. With his salary, you'll get a whole slew of Troy Murphy's in return.
Too many Pacer fans make JO and Tinsley WAY too personal of an issue, and fail to consider things like the salary cap.
Troy Murphy doesn't need the ball like JO does, and Jeff Foster actually lead the team in boards, even though JO plays 8-10 more minutes per game. Troy Murphy's rebound totals are almost the same as JO's also.

As far as Tinsley goes, I don't care how they get rid of him. He may be playing well this season, but they'll be glad they got rid of him in a year or so.
yawn

Indianapolis, IN

#11 Jan 11, 2008
make sure he isnt high and has a license before you put him on the floor! lmfao! pacers suck!
Tinsley_the_man

Lake Mary, FL

#12 Jan 11, 2008
anyone who talks about trading tinsley is a complete moron. Why? Because he is the only player that the other team has to worry about having their defense broken down by. Tell me for the love of god who else from the pacers scares other teams? troy murphy when he goes 1-9? Jermaine's game is easily shutdown....marquis i have no idea what the hell happened to him....granger who is really struggling to hit open threes?

Ok lets say u trade him....your obviously not going to get chauncy billups....so the record shows you how bad the pacers are without him. They can barely get the ball across half court.

conclusion: You all complained about stephen jackson....look wat he's doing at golden state. Trade tinsley...for average jo...and the pacers wont win a ballgame.
Mike

Crown Point, IN

#13 Jan 11, 2008
Tinsley_the_man wrote:
anyone who talks about trading tinsley is a complete moron. Why? Because he is the only player that the other team has to worry about having their defense broken down by. Tell me for the love of god who else from the pacers scares other teams? troy murphy when he goes 1-9? Jermaine's game is easily shutdown....marquis i have no idea what the hell happened to him....granger who is really struggling to hit open threes?
Ok lets say u trade him....your obviously not going to get chauncy billups....so the record shows you how bad the pacers are without him. They can barely get the ball across half court.
conclusion: You all complained about stephen jackson....look wat he's doing at golden state. Trade tinsley...for average jo...and the pacers wont win a ballgame.
Trade Tinsley for average Joe? Who really thinks we can even get an average Joe for him?

I think we be lucky if we don't have to pay his salary while he plays for someone else to get rid of him.
Fell Down Funked Up

Australia

#14 Jan 11, 2008
Mike wrote:
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Trade Tinsley for average Joe? Who really thinks we can even get an average Joe for him?
I think we be lucky if we don't have to pay his salary while he plays for someone else to get rid of him.
Remember how well the Pacers made out when they desperately tried to unload Ron Artest when the fans grew tired of him?

Remember how well the Pacers made out when they desperately tried to unload Stephen Jackson when the fans screamed loudly?

You see, dum-dum Pacer fans, when you make a trade from a desperate position, you get saddled with BIG contracts from mediocre players in return. Sure, you get rid of the perceived malcontents, but you still have a poor team on the flip side.

As for the previous person who tried to insist that Pacers' defense and rebounding would be just fine without JO, do you really want to hinge the future of your team on Troy Freaking Murphy and an increasingly aging Jeff Foster? You either let JO take his option, or let him play through the contract. That way the 19 million comes completely off the books. Same for Tinsley. Then, and only then will the Pacers begin to rebuild. Taking on castoffs from other teams just to placate ingorant Pacer fans is no solution.

Truthfully, they should have probably thought LONG and hard about trading Artest the minute the brawl happened.
Mike

Crown Point, IN

#15 Jan 11, 2008
Fell Down Funked Up wrote:
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Remember how well the Pacers made out when they desperately tried to unload Ron Artest when the fans grew tired of him?
Remember how well the Pacers made out when they desperately tried to unload Stephen Jackson when the fans screamed loudly?
You see, dum-dum Pacer fans, when you make a trade from a desperate position, you get saddled with BIG contracts from mediocre players in return. Sure, you get rid of the perceived malcontents, but you still have a poor team on the flip side.
As for the previous person who tried to insist that Pacers' defense and rebounding would be just fine without JO, do you really want to hinge the future of your team on Troy Freaking Murphy and an increasingly aging Jeff Foster? You either let JO take his option, or let him play through the contract. That way the 19 million comes completely off the books. Same for Tinsley. Then, and only then will the Pacers begin to rebuild. Taking on castoffs from other teams just to placate ingorant Pacer fans is no solution.
Truthfully, they should have probably thought LONG and hard about trading Artest the minute the brawl happened.
I am not supporting any of the other players though the effort and basketball knowledge are probably better than Tinsley's.

I merely stated that we would have to pay someone to take Tinsley with maybe the Knicks benig the exception.
Make it Personal

AOL

#16 Jan 11, 2008
"With the Indiana Pacers likely going to a smaller lineup because of a lack of production from reserves Ike Diogu and David Harrison, Williams could see his playing time increase"
Lack of production from Ike....well hell O'brien is only giving him 10 minutes a game...what do you expect for Ike to put up 15ppg in that span????
Give Ike more minutes...get rid of JO....!!!
Fell Down Funked Up

Australia

#17 Jan 11, 2008
Make it Personal wrote:
"With the Indiana Pacers likely going to a smaller lineup because of a lack of production from reserves Ike Diogu and David Harrison, Williams could see his playing time increase"
Lack of production from Ike....well hell O'brien is only giving him 10 minutes a game...what do you expect for Ike to put up 15ppg in that span????
Give Ike more minutes...get rid of JO....!!!
Salary cap and guaranteed contracts makes it impossible to just "get rid" of people. What some of you don't know about the NBA Collective Bargaining agreement could fill a warehouse.
Louisville Pacers

Bardstown, KY

#18 Jan 11, 2008
More good news from the TrailPacers. Just saw where Harrison has been suspended 5 games for violating the drug policy. Guess he was too stoned to play hard.
Make it Personal

AOL

#19 Jan 11, 2008
Fell Down Funked Up wrote:
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Salary cap and guaranteed contracts makes it impossible to just "get rid" of people. What some of you don't know about the NBA Collective Bargaining agreement could fill a warehouse.
Dang jerk....I know how the CBA goes..I know how you have to basically match up salaries within percentages of each others...I think J.O needs to go and the would have been smart to get rid of J.O thsi summer for Bynum, a couple of expiring contracts(Brown,etc) and the 19th pick! which they could have used to trade for another pick next year if they did not use it!
Williams

Winona Lake, IN

#20 Jan 11, 2008
Shawne Williams should have been playing this whole time, hes alot better than most of the people the Pacer regularly play.

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