Magic win again on the road

There are 15 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Nov 26, 2007, titled Magic win again on the road. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Hedo Turkoglu scored 21 points and Rashard Lewis had 20 and the Orlando Magic beat the Portland Trail Blazers 85-74 on Monday night to become the first NBA team to win 13 games this season.

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Taino

Geneva, FL

#41 Nov 27, 2007
estaban wrote:
You arroyo fans are hillarious. Carlos Arroyo would be a decent junior college player, but never a stater in teh NBA.
The guy has very limited skills, horrible decison making and shoots bricks. Trouble with him is he actually thinks he is good and that's why he takes all the bad shots he does. We all saw what Arroyo did over a season last year. Horrible. Hopefully the magic are giving him minutes to set up a trade.
Nelson makes horrible decisions too all the time, but at least he has game.
Junior College??? The man is one of the best PG in Interantional basketball and good back up in the NBA. If you don't like his style is fine, but don't make yourself sound like a moron. Is ok not to be a fan. I'm not a fan of Billups, but I know his good.
Haters

Miami, FL

#42 Nov 27, 2007
The Magic rock. Enough with this "if they could only beat so and so" junk. You only want a chance to say "i told you so" if they hit an icy patch. Fools. Be happy for the team. Miami suxs.
C Mon Now

Port Orange, FL

#43 Nov 27, 2007
el boricua wrote:
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Please, Arroyo never has the opportunity that Nelson has to do whatever he wants. Give Arroyo that opportunity and you are going to see who the best point guard of this team is.
He had his opportunity under Sloan and he blew it. He also had every chance to outplay Jameer in the summer camp but didn't. He's played on 5 teams in 6 seasons. He is an adequate backup who HAS HAD his chance for 5 different teams but never capitalized on it. I like him, but lets not start pulling the minority card. He is a career back up point guard and that is all he'll ever be. That is his own fault, no one elses.....
Some thoughts

Archer, FL

#44 Nov 27, 2007
First, the Magic have not beaten anybody great. No, Celtics don't count. They are just the current big market team getting love.

Second, Jameer is playing excellent compaired to last year. He gets sloppy as he tires in games though. That is SVG fault.

SVG is awesome. Complete change on tone with this team. He does not let up, so neither will the team.

Trading Reddick would be dumb. We would get nothing close to the 1st rounder we used on him. If he ever gets healthy, he will be a lights out shooter on the floor when needed. He fits that role in SVG's system.

As for Arroyo...it depends on what Arroyo is going to step out on the floor...

Since: Sep 07

Apopka

#45 Nov 27, 2007
Sixx wrote:
Wow..liking this Evans kid. This cat works hard. One of the ugliest games I have ever sat through.
Grats to the Magic for never giving up, esp. Foyle and Evans. I thought Cook was supposed to be the 'good one.'
Wow is right. I didn't know a lot about Mo, but I'd like to see more. What really impressed me about him was the other players confidence, giving him the ball in critical situations.

And what about Foyle? All I can say is great game. I had no idea he could play offense (lol).

GO MAGIC!!!

Since: Sep 07

Apopka

#46 Nov 27, 2007
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Still have to beat Detroit as well. Also Phoenix and Dallas. Right now they are a force. To be a major force they have to beat the exceptional teams atleast once. Especially when they play them on their own home floor. IMO then I will truly consider them a major force.
GO MAGIC!!! Keep up the good work.
I agree to a point, but think when they get more time together, they will be better than anyone dreamed. The reason the other teams you mentioned have been together a long time.

The future looks real good here in O-Town.
Jim

United States

#47 Nov 27, 2007
Tinman13 wrote:
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I agree to a point, but think when they get more time together, they will be better than anyone dreamed. The reason the other teams you mentioned have been together a long time.
The future looks real good here in O-Town.
Totally agree with you there. Good point.
Bud says

AOL

#48 Nov 27, 2007
I would just like to say how thrilled I was and the great job that JJ did in his 44 second appearance. Super Job. Thanks SVG
O-magic

Houston, TX

#49 Nov 28, 2007
robertohenry wrote:
Now everyone say well done ot1tis
Great Freakin JOB OTIS!
I know there will be bumps on the road but so far so good!...Only move that I dont like is letting Darko go but then again...overpaying him was not an option. I'm ok with overpaying RASHARD! Good, Smart moves!
O-magic

Houston, TX

#50 Nov 28, 2007
Marcel wrote:
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very true.... I agree with you. I don't think this is the subject here but we are writing about sub-players and bench guys.... what about Anderson Varejao? he is available and he could do a better job inside than Cook would do.
Varejao is asking for too much money. I see it as a Darko situation. He is just a great hustler and played great alongside Lebron. Very One dimensional. No offense whatsoever! OTIS would never go that way. Besides, we cannot afford him.

Since: Mar 07

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#51 Nov 28, 2007
Wow, and we avoided a Nelson vs Arroyo fight for so long! Plain and simple - Nelson is playing well this year, but for the person who said he was having a breakout year and was at All-Star level, that is bull. 15 games does not constitute a breakout season, 82 good games does. Lets wait and see how he is playing in April (and beyond) before we say he has had a breakout year. And he is NOT an All-Star. 13.4 and 6.4 are solid numbers, not elite ones. One thing I am really pleased with is his approach to defense this year. His rebounding has been excellent (in the main rotation, only Dwight, Adonal and Hedo - just - are averaging more reb48min), and he has been pestering opposing guards. He's not gonna make All-Defensive or anything, but so far he is proving the point I made a while ago that his size should not impact his ability to defend. If he stays in front of his man, and gets a hand in their face when they shoot, he is going to make life difficult for them.

And Arroyo - he hasn't played particularly well this year. But SVG himself has acknowledged that all of the bench guys have struggled, and that it was primarily down to him not giving them the consistent minutes. Case in point, the game Nelson missed with concussion, Arroyo started, played good minutes, and played really well. Overall, his astp48m are up on last year, he is taking pretty good care of the ball, and is also playing improved defense. And again, some perspective - Arroyo would not be a starter on most teams in the NBA. But he IS one of the superior backups in the league.

Seriously, there seems to be zero objectivity on those two guys. The attitude seems to be,'if you like one, you can't like the other'. They are both Magic players. Instead of ripping on one of them and over inflating the other's ability, hows about recognising that they are both doing a solid job this season, and should be supported.

Oh, and as for the Anderson Varejeo trade suggestion, mixed feelings for me. The guy is a fantastic player. He does all of the dirty work that doesn't appear on a stat sheet - taking charges, setting screens, blocking out, diving for loose balls, double teaming and help defense - and as such he is not getting the respect he DOES deserve. He would be an asset to any team.(I read somewhere recently that in the adjusted +/- stats that indicate how good a team performs when a particular player is on the floor, he ranked 22nd in the league. Might have been on ESPN, I'll have a look). At the same time, two things detract from a potential deal:

1) It's unlikely Cleveland would go for it. They know how good he is, even if they are playing hardball, and they are not going to want him to go to a genuine conference rival. Also, we don't really have anything they would want. Their cap situation is such that we could send them expiring deals, and they would still be over next summer, and unable to chase the top free agents, so they wouldn't be interested. So we would have to send them a player. Who would we send?

2) For the same reason Ariza didn't fit in Orlando, Varejao may struggle. He doesn't have much offensive game, and in a system built around surrounding a dominant big man with shooters, what would he bring? He would need to be near the basket to be effective, hustling for boards and second chance points, meaning that he would be taking space from Dwight, there would be one less shooter on the perimeter, and teams would be able to double Howard much more effectively.
ESTEBAN

United States

#52 Nov 28, 2007
Taino wrote:
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Junior College??? The man is one of the best PG in Interantional basketball and good back up in the NBA. If you don't like his style is fine, but don't make yourself sound like a moron. Is ok not to be a fan. I'm not a fan of Billups, but I know his good.
In your dreams dude. Trouble is, if your hispanic you back the guy up no matter what? That is what a moron does. Moronic is a person that watches a player make dumb mistakes time after time and get's sit down by the coach after being in the game 30 seconds. Moronic is trying to make Arroyo sound like he should be starting ahead of Nelson, now that is moronic. Arroyo is not the best PG in international play unless you are trying to say he was better than kidd and the rest of the americans playing in international basketball?
Now that is a moron. Face the facts,
its not a slight on your race. Arroyo sucks. You guys sound silly making him seem like a great player.
Arroyo is no spring chicken, he is not getting better at this point in his acreer, his best days are long gone and if was so good then why did Utah and the Pistons run him out of town?

Since: Sep 07

Apopka

#53 Nov 28, 2007
I have to laugh when I think back to our first season. The biggest concern was waiting to see if Catledge was going to come back from the concession stand with a Bud Light.

My memory isn't what it used to be, but I remember a home game when Reggie Theus hit a game winner (against a decent team) with a couple of seconds left. In the time out he said he wanted the ball. Got it at the top of the key and drained it. The arena was nuts. It was like we won a Championship Game. I'll never forget what true fans are like. It was great to be a part of it.

This has nothing to do with this article, just wish everything was as simple as then.

Peace
Taino

Geneva, FL

#54 Nov 28, 2007
ESTEBAN wrote:
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In your dreams dude. Trouble is, if your hispanic you back the guy up no matter what? That is what a moron does. Moronic is a person that watches a player make dumb mistakes time after time and get's sit down by the coach after being in the game 30 seconds. Moronic is trying to make Arroyo sound like he should be starting ahead of Nelson, now that is moronic. Arroyo is not the best PG in international play unless you are trying to say he was better than kidd and the rest of the americans playing in international basketball?
Now that is a moron. Face the facts,
its not a slight on your race. Arroyo sucks. You guys sound silly making him seem like a great player.
Arroyo is no spring chicken, he is not getting better at this point in his acreer, his best days are long gone and if was so good then why did Utah and the Pistons run him out of town?
Yes! I'm Puerto Rican. Yes! I believe that Carlos is a good player. Like I said you don't have to like him. You have every right as a fan to critizes, but get facts right. His one of the best PG in FIBA for many years including the time he beat USA. He was traded from the Jazz his style will never go with Mr. Sloan. I'm not saying at this moment his playing better than Nelson. All I'm saying his not garbage like you claim. His a great BACK UP player not more than that. Yes! I cheer for the Puerto Rican Star. Like you would cheer for anybody that comes from your town. Maybe you feel no pride for anything or anyone. He still in the NBA. Where you play at? Esteban...

Since: Apr 07

United States

#55 Nov 29, 2007
Another road win against a team we are supposed to beat in Seattle!

I say again - If we beat the teams we are supposed to beat, if we beat the teams AT HOME that are picked to finish ahead of us in the conference, then a top four seed in the playoffs is a given.

I think this is Stan's plan.

PS: Dwight is becoming a monster in front of our eyes.

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