Bulls fall to Raptors in OT 134-129

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The next time Vinny Del Negro talks about "getting after it defensively," smile, nod your head and go back to dreaming about the Bulls playing with a red-white-and-blue basketball.

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kenny

Auburn, WA

#165 Mar 30, 2009
jeff wrote:
Ben Gordon had 37 points 2 assist can you say all ball hog and no defense
can you say, WITHOUT BG NO CHANCE?
Mr Belvedere

Lincolnshire, IL

#166 Mar 30, 2009
I dug up an interesting Gordon stat when I was doing a podcast yesterday. BG averages almost 16 shots/game. This year, when BG shoots 15+ shots in a game, the Bulls are 19-26. When he shoots less than 15, they are 17-13. Its pretty plain to see for me that when BG shoots alot, it hinders the rest of the offense. Bloomie made a good point, one which I have stated on other boards, that BG was best in Skiles system, coming off screens, and constantly moving.

With the way VDN has this team set up, BG is doing ALOT of 1-on-1 play, which is definitely not his strong suit, and it often leads to contested shots, or ballhandling turnovers. I would love to have BG back, but as a 6th man who gets his shots within the flow of the offense. If people think having BG as our starting SG will lead this team to success, they need to check their meds.
Stephen

Houston, TX

#167 Mar 30, 2009
Mr Belvedere wrote:
I dug up an interesting Gordon stat when I was doing a podcast yesterday. BG averages almost 16 shots/game. This year, when BG shoots 15+ shots in a game, the Bulls are 19-26. When he shoots less than 15, they are 17-13. Its pretty plain to see for me that when BG shoots alot, it hinders the rest of the offense.
I could have saved you the trouble of that research. The Bulls problems are not on the offensive end. They rank 9th in the NBA in scoring (101.9). I don't think BG hinders the offense too much.

They also rank 9th in most points allowed (102.6). Its plain to see that their problem is that they don't play defense. They gave up 134 points to Toronto!
carl

Edmond, OK

#168 Mar 30, 2009
Mr Belvedere wrote:
I dug up an interesting Gordon stat when I was doing a podcast yesterday. BG averages almost 16 shots/game. This year, when BG shoots 15+ shots in a game, the Bulls are 19-26. When he shoots less than 15, they are 17-13. Its pretty plain to see for me that when BG shoots alot, it hinders the rest of the offense. Bloomie made a good point, one which I have stated on other boards, that BG was best in Skiles system, coming off screens, and constantly moving.
With the way VDN has this team set up, BG is doing ALOT of 1-on-1 play, which is definitely not his strong suit, and it often leads to contested shots, or ballhandling turnovers. I would love to have BG back, but as a 6th man who gets his shots within the flow of the offense. If people think having BG as our starting SG will lead this team to success, they need to check their meds.
Thank you.
ATLDre

Atlanta, GA

#169 Mar 30, 2009
Nada Surf wrote:
<quoted text>You'll probably be proven wrong yet again in a few months.
Not by you. Serf you have yet to post anything that can be substantiated in the real basketball world. Tell me again how with his talent "Sefalosha should be a star" hahahahah He wasn't a star in SWITZERLAND but your keen eye for talent thinks he should be one in the NBA. Once you make a statement like that, the rest just becomes background noise.. How was the Sox game?
killer_instinct

Alsip, IL

#170 Mar 30, 2009
ATLDre wrote:
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I would have to question what Bulls team you were watching? Yes there were some turnovers but as Ben was designated as the closer, the Bulls won more game each season (best win total for this group came with Ben as the starter and leading scorer. It was the same team considered to be a darkhorse for the EC finals.) until last years collapse. Ben played his best ball as a starter and the team had it's best season in 10 years. You choose to ignore that and put him in the category of Wil Bynum, Boobie Gibson and Jamally Crawford? Guys who have done nothing to make their teams better.
thanks for sayin dis dre, all those people u guys are comparing BG to never produced these kind of results for their team...and for the guy who is saying when ben takes alot of shots the bulls lose a handful more games...go back to those games and see which bulls players quit on the team and left BG to shoot, which players didnt have the brass to take final shots, which would add to that tally...lol stop hatin on BG yall, he is the most clutch out of anybody on the bulls, and the most clutch out of every name people in this forum tried to compare him to, stop givin oral to captain klank and recognize a beast when u see one
ATLDre

Atlanta, GA

#171 Mar 30, 2009
Bloomie wrote:
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I've watched the Bulls closely. How could a team with the great Ben Gordon collapse? Maybe his game has regressed. Under Skiles Ben was in constant motion, circling the paint and flashing to either side of the court. Teams had to account for this and either switch(to create mismatches) or chase and wear down a defender. But that was under Skiles. Now last year's mutiny by Gordon and Deng; with Gordon standing flat-footed in the corner waiting for the ball, and Deng shooting an empty 20' jumper led to the Bulls collapse. The truth can sting, face it your overrating Ben Gordon.
Maybe so, but not nearly as much as you underrate him. Gordon and Deng led the mutiny? Where were Ben Wallace, Kirk and Duhon who openly questioned Skiles methods? Interesting take on Bulls recent Bulls history.
Stephen

Houston, TX

#172 Mar 30, 2009
ATLDre wrote:
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Maybe so, but not nearly as much as you underrate him. Gordon and Deng led the mutiny? Where were Ben Wallace, Kirk and Duhon who openly questioned Skiles methods? Interesting take on Bulls recent Bulls history.
Don't forget to put then rookie Joaqim Noah on that list. He was acting like a little B last year too.
CalChiFan

Irvine, CA

#173 Mar 30, 2009
Bloomie wrote:
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How many titles have Avery Johnson and Doug Collins and Stan Van Gundy won? I don't remember Phil Jackson on the Bulls interview list; I must have missed that one. In terms of Avery Johnson, we will never know and that is kind of an asinine comment. How is Mark Jackson different from VDN?
Not sure what's more asinine than trying to defend a coach who's over his head. Mark Jackson comes from the same ilk that Doc Rivers came from. An announcer who's job it is to cover and analyze not only the game but teams and players as well. He was on the front-lines critiquing players and the game while VDN was in the background as an ASSISTANT GM. ASSISTANT on a team that in recent history made very questionable player moves e.g. acquiring Shaq or releasing a successful D'Antoni while hiring Terry Porter. Jackson would've been far more qualified. Plus, he had a much more solid NBA career and hails from the hood. VDN went through, and may still be going through, respect issues. I doubt gaining respect would've been an issue with Mark Jackson. He's had respect his whole career both as a player and announcer.
Melvin

United States

#174 Mar 30, 2009
CalChiFan, I think you overestimate the extent to which being a broadcaster prepares a man to actually coach a team. And have you heard Mark Jackson analyze games? He's a star-struck moron. He just salivates over marquee players, ignores everybody else and makes absurd generalizations and oversimplifications. With the constant barrage of nonsense coming from Van Gundy I pity the fool that has to attempt to broadcast with them. They rarely even talk about basketball. Doug Collins and Kevin Harlan, now there's a team. Anyway, Gordon's job is to score, not to get assists, though I think people miss how often he passes up shots to keep the ball moving. And his defense was waaaayyy better in this game than against the Pacers.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#175 Mar 31, 2009
Mr Belvedere wrote:
I dug up an interesting Gordon stat when I was doing a podcast yesterday. BG averages almost 16 shots/game. This year, when BG shoots 15+ shots in a game, the Bulls are 19-26. When he shoots less than 15, they are 17-13. Its pretty plain to see for me that when BG shoots alot, it hinders the rest of the offense. Bloomie made a good point, one which I have stated on other boards, that BG was best in Skiles system, coming off screens, and constantly moving.
With the way VDN has this team set up, BG is doing ALOT of 1-on-1 play, which is definitely not his strong suit, and it often leads to contested shots, or ballhandling turnovers. I would love to have BG back, but as a 6th man who gets his shots within the flow of the offense. If people think having BG as our starting SG will lead this team to success, they need to check their meds.
Great stuff!
Gordon's one-on-one stuff is embarrassing and detrimental.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#176 Mar 31, 2009
ATLDre wrote:
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Not by you. Serf you have yet to post anything that can be substantiated in the real basketball world. Tell me again how with his talent "Sefalosha should be a star" hahahahah He wasn't a star in SWITZERLAND but your keen eye for talent thinks he should be one in the NBA. Once you make a statement like that, the rest just becomes background noise.. How was the Sox game?
I've told you several times.
Go back and look through a few of my 2.5 million posts this year.
bullsR1

Springfield, WI

#177 Mar 31, 2009
DRose always tries to push the issue in the end and ends up coughing up the ball. I can count atleast 6 games which he lost because Rose turned the ball over in the end. VDN does not get the point, Rose will get there but he is not there yet. Give the ball to Kirk who is a veteran on the team and take your chances with him. I guess VDN does not have a clue about finishing games or otherwise.
ATLDre

Atlanta, GA

#178 Mar 31, 2009
Nada Surf wrote:
<quoted text>I've told you several times.
Go back and look through a few of my 2.5 million posts this year.
2.9 million. But who's counting.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#180 Mar 31, 2009
Pocho.
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B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#183 Apr 2, 2009
nypochoho
Nyopochoho

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#185 Apr 2, 2009
pocho piglet

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