Point guard situation shaky

Point guard situation shaky

There are 97 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Feb 5, 2008, titled Point guard situation shaky. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

The only thing certain about the point guard situation with the Orlando Magic today is that it remains uncertain.

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el boricua

Puerto Rico

#1 Feb 5, 2008
SVG again blaming the PG position, what about Turk and Lewis missing a lot of shots yesterday
el boricua

Puerto Rico

#2 Feb 5, 2008
Turk 4 in 14
Lewis 5 in 16
roy

Toa Alta, Puerto Rico

#3 Feb 5, 2008
wowww,, siempre excusas de SVG .
EL EQUIPO NO TIENE PROBLEMA CON EL PG, SI NO DE LA POSICION 3 Y 4 Y SI NO METEN LA BOLA , ES UNA DERROTA COMO QUIERA.
javier3227

United States

#6 Feb 5, 2008
Haywood Jablomie wrote:
Yo, el boricua...yeah, Turk and Lewis had an off night; that's when a true PG should be stepping up to the plate and making some noise. Sadly, the Magic don't have any players capable of doing that day in and day out in the PG position.... Dooling is far better than Nelson or Arroyo at not only making great shots but creating great plays for others--but even he could be better.
How can anyone of the PG create plays if all of teh plays are run to MISALOT torku. If you didn't see the game go to the play by play in ESPN.com and look at the 3rd qtr, then you can come back and make comments, all of the plays weer run to torku.
javier3227

United States

#7 Feb 5, 2008
Boom wrote:
Here come the Ricans! Fair-weather fans.
Speak English you welfare-loving, car stereo stealing losers!
American inmigrant why the heellll you are in Australia, did they dump you, BTW it is better that you learn spanish so tou can understand us. socabron
javier3227

United States

#8 Feb 5, 2008
One loss and Ron Jeremy blames the PGs, thats BS, why didn't he said that the team is now playing 1 on 1, therefore if farfrombeinganallstar torku misses there goes the play.
javier3227

United States

#10 Feb 5, 2008
GatorBob wrote:
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Amen Brother...
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Another "afraid of puertorricans" racist.

Since: Mar 07

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#11 Feb 5, 2008
It's nice to see that SVG has realised he can't play all 3 of those guys. Looking back, I think one of the big problems that arose from the Cook/Evans/Ariza trade was that Evans was better than expected. Early on in the season, Nelson and Arroyo covered the point, and Dooling backed up Bogans. Once Evans forced his way into the rotation, SVG started giving Keyon more minutes at the point, and that was right around the time that things started to go wrong. It can't be easy to start the game, play the first 8 minutes, and then not come back in until the 3rd quarter. Similarly it can't be easy to come in with 4 minutes left in the first, play 6 or 7 minutes and then not return until late in the 3rd/early in the 4th (if at all). But that was the type of 'rotation' that was happening. I don't think it is any coincidence that the Magic started 16-4, and went 7-2 over the past couple of weeks, when only 2 guys were sharing the point guard minutes.

The question now is 'which two will it be'? I think that one of them has to be Dooling. He is the most consistent of the three, even if he doesn't have the playmaking skills of Arroyo or Nelson (who aren't that great at playmaking themselves, admittedly). We know Keyon will bring energy, hustle, force some turnovers and get a few points as well. As long as he is on the floor when Turk is out there, it's not a problem that he isn't a good creator.

So ultimately I think it comes down to Nelson and Arroyo. SVG said 'these things work themselves out', but I have to say that in the case of Carlos and Jameer, I am not sure it will work out on it's own. They are very similar, right down to their inconsistent natures. If Carlos has a bad run, and Jameer gets back into the team, I wouldn't consider that 'worked out', because eventually Jameer's inconsistnecy will surface, and SVG will be left wondering whether he needs to change things back. If he does change and Arroyo goes back in, I can see the same thing happening again. Neither of them has put together a long-term, consistently good streak of performances, to stamp their authority on the PG role and say 'I am Orlando's point guard'. Right now (and assuming he is not being shopped in trades), given that he is younger and locked down for the next 5 years, I can see them choosing Nelson, and Arroyo being the odd man out.

On a positive note, at least Nelson is taking it professionally. Plenty of guys would have pouted and whined, so it is nice to see him acting the right way (even if we've no idea what he is really thinking).

Also, I'd love for someone to point out where in that article SVG was 'blaming' the pgs for the Dallas game. The way I read it, I am willing to bet a reporter asked him about Nelson not getting off the bench, and he gave a response that turned into this article. Nowhere in there did he say that Keyon and Carlos were responsible for the Dallas loss. What's with the over-reaction?
javier3227

United States

#12 Feb 5, 2008
So now it was CA fault that everyone missed all the shots in the 1st QTR. CA shot for 0-1 in the 1st QTR and was his fualt that nobody played defense, or why J Howard score 28 sorry torku also didn't play defense, or why Lewis didn't guard Bass who scored 16 points in only 21 minutes. Its a shame to see all those people making stupid comments without seeing the game.

The only thing I hope is a CA trade, and if they don't trade him, you can put back the Hamster because everybody is suffering because the team is winning without him and can't accept that and thay are not winning because CA is just because the team is better without him.
javier3227

United States

#13 Feb 5, 2008
Haywood Jablomie wrote:
Yo, el boricua...yeah, Turk and Lewis had an off night; that's when a true PG should be stepping up to the plate and making some noise. Sadly, the Magic don't have any players capable of doing that day in and day out in the PG position.... Dooling is far better than Nelson or Arroyo at not only making great shots but creating great plays for others--but even he could be better.
KD created so many plays for teh others 0 ASSISTS, you moron he is a scorer and a good one, BTW you can't make an assist if everybody (TORKU)miss the shoots.
oscar

Chicago, IL

#14 Feb 5, 2008
javier3227 wrote:
So now it was CA fault that everyone missed all the shots in the 1st QTR. CA shot for 0-1 in the 1st QTR and was his fualt that nobody played defense, or why J Howard score 28 sorry torku also didn't play defense, or why Lewis didn't guard Bass who scored 16 points in only 21 minutes. Its a shame to see all those people making stupid comments without seeing the game.
The only thing I hope is a CA trade, and if they don't trade him, you can put back the Hamster because everybody is suffering because the team is winning without him and can't accept that and thay are not winning because CA is just because the team is better without him.
well said!
El Veterano Puerto Rico

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#15 Feb 5, 2008
Disregarding the PG situation, the truth is that the Magic continue to be outrebounded allowing many second chances. DH needs help urgently or he will run out of gas right before playoffs. Is for Otis Smith to work a good trade and get a solid, defensive PF.If this happens rotation will automatically change and probably we'll see Bogans and Arroyo playing somewhere else.
javier3227

United States

#16 Feb 5, 2008
El Veterano Puerto Rico wrote:
Disregarding the PG situation, the truth is that the Magic continue to be outrebounded allowing many second chances. DH needs help urgently or he will run out of gas right before playoffs. Is for Otis Smith to work a good trade and get a solid, defensive PF.If this happens rotation will automatically change and probably we'll see Bogans and Arroyo playing somewhere else.
I hope so, so i don't need to hera ROn Jeremy crying and Otis begging for the Hamster to play.
brighthouseless

Miami, FL

#17 Feb 5, 2008
Everyone wake up. Dallas got spanked by Detroit and there was no way that they were gonna lose, period. SVG can wonder what happened during the loss, but there was really no way that the Magic were gonna win. Now wait till the Nets game tomorrow night. The Magic will make them pay for this loss, that's just the way it goes...
javier3227

United States

#19 Feb 5, 2008
wow wrote:
shut up all of you pathetic PR's. i hope CA is anywhere but here next year so we don't have to listen to little PR crybabies
I hope that he is not back,So idon't have to see the Hamster, ONLYTHINGIDOISDUNKANDTO howard, MISALOT TORKU, and Million Man lewis. BTW if he is not back i dont have to hear RON JEREMY crying all the time (they need to do this, they need to do that, they need to defend) and Otis asking for JN to play , and all of you racists crying because JJ didn't play because he is white.
Fact1

London, UK

#20 Feb 5, 2008
Mitchell UK wrote:
It's nice to see that SVG has realised he can't play all 3 of those guys. Looking back, I think one of the big problems that arose from the Cook/Evans/Ariza trade was that Evans was better than expected. Early on in the season, Nelson and Arroyo covered the point, and Dooling backed up Bogans. Once Evans forced his way into the rotation, SVG started giving Keyon more minutes at the point, and that was right around the time that things started to go wrong. It can't be easy to start the game, play the first 8 minutes, and then not come back in until the 3rd quarter. Similarly it can't be easy to come in with 4 minutes left in the first, play 6 or 7 minutes and then not return until late in the 3rd/early in the 4th (if at all). But that was the type of 'rotation' that was happening. I don't think it is any coincidence that the Magic started 16-4, and went 7-2 over the past couple of weeks, when only 2 guys were sharing the point guard minutes.
The question now is 'which two will it be'? I think that one of them has to be Dooling. He is the most consistent of the three, even if he doesn't have the playmaking skills of Arroyo or Nelson (who aren't that great at playmaking themselves, admittedly). We know Keyon will bring energy, hustle, force some turnovers and get a few points as well. As long as he is on the floor when Turk is out there, it's not a problem that he isn't a good creator.
So ultimately I think it comes down to Nelson and Arroyo. SVG said 'these things work themselves out', but I have to say that in the case of Carlos and Jameer, I am not sure it will work out on it's own. They are very similar, right down to their inconsistent natures. If Carlos has a bad run, and Jameer gets back into the team, I wouldn't consider that 'worked out', because eventually Jameer's inconsistnecy will surface, and SVG will be left wondering whether he needs to change things back. If he does change and Arroyo goes back in, I can see the same thing happening again. Neither of them has put together a long-term, consistently good streak of performances, to stamp their authority on the PG role and say 'I am Orlando's point guard'. Right now (and assuming he is not being shopped in trades), given that he is younger and locked down for the next 5 years, I can see them choosing Nelson, and Arroyo being the odd man out.
On a positive note, at least Nelson is taking it professionally. Plenty of guys would have pouted and whined, so it is nice to see him acting the right way (even if we've no idea what he is really thinking).
Also, I'd love for someone to point out where in that article SVG was 'blaming' the pgs for the Dallas game. The way I read it, I am willing to bet a reporter asked him about Nelson not getting off the bench, and he gave a response that turned into this article. Nowhere in there did he say that Keyon and Carlos were responsible for the Dallas loss. What's with the over-reaction?
I think that your perception is right. This article was created because the reporter asked SVG. Actually the same reporter was forcing the issue in the 3 Things to Note before the game. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/basketb... The reality is that they know (BSm & TP)that normally this forum have more comments when something is related to CA. In my onpinion is only one game and Dallas is a very good team that could defeat any team. Game story RL & HT (9-30), Dh 7 reb & (6-13 ft). Orl 34 REB Dallas 47. As you have mentioned in previous post those are the guys we depend on, but as all players have days off (although HT played well in general).
brighthouseless

Miami, FL

#23 Feb 5, 2008
why all the hate? the facts are that the magic have been winning with arroy starting and he's been more consistant than nelson. he deserves as much playing time as anyone and nelson will have to wait his turn, just like arroy did....
Luke

Spain

#24 Feb 5, 2008
Hey, Javier, I don't read in the article any accuse to Carlos, and anyone said that the loss is a Arroyo's fault.

Turkoglu is clearly running all the plays, for that the assist average is going up for him, and going down for the others PG.

I hope this adjustement will work, but is really strange to not have a PG as a leader of the team.
javier3227 wrote:
So now it was CA fault that everyone missed all the shots in the 1st QTR. CA shot for 0-1 in the 1st QTR and was his fualt that nobody played defense, or why J Howard score 28 sorry torku also didn't play defense, or why Lewis didn't guard Bass who scored 16 points in only 21 minutes. Its a shame to see all those people making stupid comments without seeing the game.
The only thing I hope is a CA trade, and if they don't trade him, you can put back the Hamster because everybody is suffering because the team is winning without him and can't accept that and thay are not winning because CA is just because the team is better without him.
Luke

Spain

#25 Feb 5, 2008
Mitchell, good point as always, but this question is a bad one in the middle of a NBA season.
I mean, is not really good for the team to not know who will be the PG next game...
The point must be the floor leader, must make decisions, and choose the direction of the game.
It's like a ship without a rudder.

This kind of situation,(plus other factors like defense), make me state that the primary need for the team is a point guard.

As for now, I wouldn't mind trade both Nelson and Arroyo for a good PG, and searching a third string in the D-League.
This would be a definitive answer to your question.

But I didn't see it coming.
Mitchell UK wrote:

The question now is 'which two will it be'? I think that one of them has to be Dooling. He is the most consistent of the three, even if he doesn't have the playmaking skills of Arroyo or Nelson (who aren't that great at playmaking themselves, admittedly). We know Keyon will bring energy, hustle, force some turnovers and get a few points as well. As long as he is on the floor when Turk is out there, it's not a problem that he isn't a good creator.
Luis

Lake Wales, FL

#26 Feb 5, 2008
Luke wrote:
I hope this adjustement will work, but is really strange to not have a PG as a leader of the team.
True up to a point... Did you remember the bulls PGs? or LA Lakers PG when they were winning championships? Those teams had starts in other postition, so PG were mostly to protect the ball (avoid TOs) and became a pure role player. Actually i don't remember cavs pg last year!

In resent years only Parker and Billups has been dominant PG in a champion-caliber team, yet even in those cases the Duncan-Ginobli, Wallace-Hamilton-Prince are the ones doing the offensive load.

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