Who is better, Kobe or LeBron?

Who is better, Kobe or LeBron?

There are 2106 comments on the Recordpub.com story from Feb 24, 2009, titled Who is better, Kobe or LeBron?. In it, Recordpub.com reports that:

By DARNELL MAYBERRY The Oklahoman It's the National Basketball Association's great debate.

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Since: Jul 13

United States

#2236 Jul 6, 2013
Lebron obviously. Both have two finals mvps. Lebron's domination of stats + mvps greatly outweighs the 3 extra Rings jobs has thanks to shaq.

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Since: Oct 12

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#2237 Jul 6, 2013
I don't see Kobe coming back from an achilles injury, to be anything close to before.....Dan Marino could hardly, maneuver in the pocket, after his....
jhayr

Addition Hills, Philippines

#2238 Jul 12, 2013
come on !! kobe is better , i will ask you question,...... how many times did you see lebron doing fade away jump shot or spin move, or can lebron create his own shot? a big NO!.... try to watch MJ and Kobe similar moves first then watch the moves of lebron... and you will se what im talking about...
jhayr

Addition Hills, Philippines

#2239 Jul 12, 2013
what 3 rings thanks to shaq, how about lebron therefore thanks to wade and bosh and the dream team bench haha, lebron can never win if he stay in cleveland.... thats the deference kobe stay only in one team and try his best to improve the team.. how about lebron huh?
Watching NBA for 54 years

Cypress, CA

#2240 Jul 12, 2013
Funny how whoever is playing today is the greatest of all-time. This is because of the NBAs marketing plan to maximize their intake of $$$s. LeBron is currently overtaking Jordan yet it's not yet clear he is any better. What is clear is that when NBA Hall of Fame coaches and players are asked who the greatest is the answer is always between Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain, with Oscar getting the nod. But the NBA had a run in with Oscar and lost in court so they basically dumped him in retaliation. When Michael Jordan is mentioned as the best his own coach and teammates disagree with his coach saying Russell was better. And Russell laughed uncontrollably and couldn't stop everytime Jordan's name was brought up as the best. Reminds me when the US Secretary of the Treasury, Tim Geitner told some Chinese students that the FEDS overprinting of the US Dollar would not affect its value. He too was laughed off the stage because they knew better. Even Oscar picks Elgin Baylor over Jordan. Jordan had the good benefit of playing in a weak league watered down with some good players but few great ones, while having better support players than other teams. It's time the youth of America know the truth, those who have seen Oscar, Russell and Chamberlain play as well as Jordan, know that Jordan is a more athletic Jerry West with the addition of sports writer backing. The NBA was about to go into financial default but was saved by the excitement of the Larry Bird/Magic Johnson Show. The league then duplicated that recipe by creating an excitement around Jordan to ensure their continued financial success. Although a very, very good player, he is a mere shadow of the real thing and the really funny thing is he only admits it in private so as not to damage his brand. If you want to enlighten yourselves look at the formula the NBA has been using to market Jordan. Because Jordan was shot happy, taking more shots than any other player, the NBA simply doubled the value of points in the formula. Jordan shooting was at the same percentage as Birds but when you factor out all the dunks and gimmees it was worse, as was his three point shooting and free throw percentages. And again Jordan couldn't compare in assists or rebounds. But the facts don't matter when you have the power of the press behind you. Funny thing, Bird was called the greatest ever until he took the NBA to court and won like Oscar. Wow, imagine that. Had the NBA wanted to they could have doubled the value of assists then Jordan wouldn't even appear in the top 25, and John Stockton would far out distance him. A lot like the Gov't manipulating the figures for unemployment, 24% by 1930 standards, 17% by 1976 standards (Jimmy Carter era) but only 8 %(did I say only?) by Obama standards to benefit his re-election efforts. If you youngsters don't learn the true parameters vice the manipulations, you will be controlled by others and not get Direct TV (joke). Learn how you are being manipulated to think the dollar has value, to think unemployment figures are acceptable and that Jordan is the best when not only his skills but Hall of Famers, Coaches, and old timers say otherwise. Don't dump Jordan though, clearly a top 15, borderline top 10 player. Just don't ask Russell if Jordan is the best, he will just laugh at you (as he should).
P.S. if the NBA had any guts/balls they would not only name the MVP Trophy for the Playoffs after Bill Russell, they would award him 11 MVPs after the fact as well as issue him a 12th and 13th ring for his coaching the Celts to two Championships. Just because he got one for being a player does not mean he didn't deserve one as coach. Add to this that Russell was a world class athlete in track and field, high jump and 440 (could run faster and jump higher than the rest, Jordan included) and still Russell picks Oscar as the only player better than himself. Thinking individuals should pause.
Why Kobe and LeBron

Cypress, CA

#2241 Jul 15, 2013
Why would anybody ask this question? Why not ask who is better Dr J or Elgin Baylor? Baylor and Dr. J are both better than Kobe and LeBron just further from our memories. Or how about Tiny Archibald and Allen Iverson. The question itself suggests a rise in the value of both players. Too bad neither is currently in the top 10.
Oscar, Russell, Chamberlain, Bird, Magic, Jabbar, Baylor, Dr. J, Duncan, Olajuwon, Jordan, Isiah, M. Malone, K.Malone, Shaq, Stockton have better legacies...both Kobe and especially LeBron have more history to write and will continue to climb the greatests list. Kobe will be lucky to break into the top 13 while LeBron will be lucky to break into the top 10. The top six are pretty much set in stone until another prodigy comes along. And please don't fight me on Jordan until you learn about his legacy being a creation of the NBA and Sports Writers to help the NBA forgoe financial ruin. And don't regurgitate stats because the current formula gives double value for points over rebounds and assists because Jordan took more shots than anyone else. NBA isn't stupid, they know how to manipulate the masses for their own financial benefit. Everyone I know over the age of 60, that means they actually saw Oscar play, takes Oscar, Russell, Chamberlain and a few others over Jordan and chuckle that the question is even raised. Just like kids today think LeBron is the best ever. No where close, at least not yet. And today's skill level is collectively on a steady decline, just as it has been since the 1960s. Anybody know that Oscar Robertson average a triple double for his first five full years and Jordan in 15 years couldn't even total one third of a years worth of triple doubles, and Oscar did it against better competition (Russell, Chamberlain, Baylor and West) and before players would go the extra mile to get that one extra assist or rebound to claim greatness. Bill Russell is the only player in NBA History to be a world class athlete, heads and tails above the rest (even Phil Jackson, Jordan's Coach, picked Russell over Jordan), and Bill Russell along with his Coach, Red Auerbach picked Oscar as the best. They too laughed out loud when asked if Jordan was the best. Even Scottie Pippen let the cat out of the bag when he picked others ahead of Michael. And to clinch it, Michael himself was caught on tape admitting his skills were not as good as, you guessed it, Clyde Drexler.

Since: Oct 12

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#2242 Jul 16, 2013
Corporate Greed and Greed in general is a plague.......LeBron is the best all-round, never saw Kobe do all the things, LeBron can.....just me....Micheal is best ever....
Ginobili

San Francisco, CA

#2243 Jul 17, 2013
LBJ can do much more than MJ. MJ can guard 2 and 3 not 1,4,and five. In this last playoffs we all saw LBJ guard from 1-5 against the Bulls, Pacers and Spurs. He even block several of Tim Duncan's shots and TD is the greatest power forward of all time. LBJ block Roy Hibbard, Noah and Tiago each at least a couple of times and also beat them to the spot several times. Whenever LBJ guarded Tony Parker the best PG in the NBA now and totally shut him down. MJ can not guard PGs, Iverson, Isaiah Thomas, Nate Archibald et al blows right by him. MJ can not guard power forwards nor centers.

Since: Oct 12

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#2244 Jul 17, 2013
...Six Rings......and you sucked in the finals....
Ginobili

San Francisco, CA

#2245 Jul 17, 2013
Sorry, Blue, you are dead wrong on this one. LBJ is at least twice as good as MJ. MJ always had good teams while LBJ is practically a one man show. When MJ left to played Baseball the Bulls were still .625.
Sammy

Brampton, Canada

#2246 Jul 17, 2013
Ginobili wrote:
Sorry, Blue, you are dead wrong on this one. LBJ is at least twice as good as MJ. MJ always had good teams while LBJ is practically a one man show. When MJ left to played Baseball the Bulls were still .625.
I don't exactly call Luc Longley, Pete Myers, Stacey King, Horace Grant and cast of others a super star team. Come on Ginobilli go back to bed son.
richard

Irvine, CA

#2247 Jul 18, 2013
Not fair to compare Kobe to Lebron. Kobe is close to the end of his career with almost 20 years in the league.

Kobe takes the most incredible shots from anywhere with 2-3 guys on him.

Most of Lebrons shots are driving lay ups against the board. Kobe shoots falling out of bounds.

Each one of them are the greatest of their time when they were/are in their prime.

Kobe won 5 championships over ten years when he was in his prime. Very few stars have carried their teams to 5 champions over a 10 year period. You can probably count the players on one hand that have done that in NBA history and none of them are named Lebron
Ginobili

San Francisco, CA

#2249 Jul 19, 2013
Sammy wrote:
<quoted text>I don't exactly call Luc Longley, Pete Myers, Stacey King, Horace Grant and cast of others a super star team. Come on Ginobilli go back to bed son.
MJ played with many Hall of famers or very good players---Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Charles Oakley and maybe one day Horace Grant, John Paxson, BJ Armstrong,Steve Kerr, Bill Cartwright, Ron Harper et al. His teams were far superior than any of LBJ's. And KoMe's career PER of 23.39 should not even be in the conversation.

Since: Oct 12

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#2254 Jul 19, 2013
Ginobili wrote:
<quoted text>MJ played with many Hall of famers or very good players---Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Charles Oakley and maybe one day Horace Grant, John Paxson, BJ Armstrong,Steve Kerr, Bill Cartwright, Ron Harper et al. His teams were far superior than any of LBJ's. And KoMe's career PER of 23.39 should not even be in the conversation.
Yeah, but what about you sucking so bad in the finals....can't believe you weren't forced to retire?.....
sammy

Toronto, Canada

#2256 Jul 19, 2013
Ginobili wrote:
<quoted text>MJ played with many Hall of famers or very good players---Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Charles Oakley and maybe one day Horace Grant, John Paxson, BJ Armstrong,Steve Kerr, Bill Cartwright, Ron Harper et al. His teams were far superior than any of LBJ's. And KoMe's career PER of 23.39 should not even be in the conversation.
ok smartass.. how many hall of famers did mj play with other than Rodman and pippen? Let me repeat myself yet once again. I dont exactly call Ron Brewer, Sydney Green, Dave corzine championship material. The players mj played with were mediocre and you know it. Pippen and Rodman were really his true cast. Ginoflake, I hardly doubt you even watched a Bull's game. Your talkin pure fart.
Ginobili

San Francisco, CA

#2257 Jul 19, 2013
In this last playoffs, Ginobili was great, he was triple team all the time and still have decent stats. Ron Harper not Ron Brewer. Oakley and Gorace made plenty of all-star teams. Steve was one of the best three point shooters of all time. BJ Armstrong was also several times an all star.

Since: Oct 12

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#2261 Jul 20, 2013
Ginobili wrote:
In this last playoffs, Ginobili was great, he was triple team all the time and still have decent stats. Ron Harper not Ron Brewer. Oakley and Gorace made plenty of all-star teams. Steve was one of the best three point shooters of all time. BJ Armstrong was also several times an all star.
"triple teamed all the time"......totally clueless, aren't you?.....
sammy

Brampton, Canada

#2264 Jul 20, 2013
Ginobili wrote:
In this last playoffs, Ginobili was great, he was triple team all the time and still have decent stats. Ron Harper not Ron Brewer. Oakley and Gorace made plenty of all-star teams. Steve was one of the best three point shooters of all time. BJ Armstrong was also several times an all star.
Look I know who Ron stuttering Harper is. Since when was BJ Armstrong an all star? please tell us? Don't twist it son. You went from HOF to All star. Theres a difference if you haven't learned by now. Anyone will tell you Jordan played with Mediocre players. He is responsible for making them look so good. Gino flake your a waste of time Partna. There for go pick up yourself a copy of this..Have a nap squirt.
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Since: Jul 13

YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED

#2266 Jul 20, 2013
nate wrote:
That is hard to anwser. Kobe has played longer and dominated the league for years, but now since Kobe has gotten older Lebron seems better.
So i say Lebron.
Wrong. You can not simply elevate a player based on age and youth. Look at Derrick Rose. He will likely be a forgotten one, like David Thompson and Pistol Pete. LeBron's game is weak. Soon he will have to play back to the basket and below the realm to save his legs and he will be exposed.

Kobe is in the league with Jordan. The are four tops, Kobe,Jordan, Bird and Magic.

You can not put Wilt, Russell and Kareem in the mix, because they did not have the skill set, which is often the case with big men.
Ginobili

San Francisco, CA

#2267 Jul 20, 2013
B.J. Armstrong was a first team All-Star in 1994 and three second all star teams and also three rings. Ron Harper was a great defender and did well on offense also. B.J. Armstrong's three poinbt avg is much higher than MJ also. If you need me to tell you that stat also , go ahead.

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