It's close, but it's still loss

Same two teams. Different venue. Same results. The good news for the Indiana Pacers on Saturday night was that they didn't look as bad as they did the night before against the Detroit Pistons. Full Story
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Royal Tennenbaum

Jeffersonville, IN

#21 Dec 30, 2007
indy wrote:
the pacers are not going to the playoffs.i like owens better than tinsley because at least this guy plays decent defense and can shoot. when tinsley plays,the game is slower, they keep saying that he likes to play up tempo,but most of the time he spends time posting somebody up and wasting time with jermaine. trade tinsley, murphy and jermaine and leave diogu,foster,danny williams and dunleavy and start from there. the pacers need somebody like maguette, he can play good defense and can shoot well. please bird do something before is to late.
Wait, hold on. People criticize JO for being injured too much, but then ask for Maguette to be added to the roster?

The reality of the salary cap will prevent the Pacers from dumping JO, Murphy, and Tinsley. If you actually managed to pull off such a trade, you would get even more Troy Murphys in return. Why don't you people understand that?
Jesus F Christ

South Vienna, OH

#22 Dec 30, 2007
Suns Fan wrote:
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Is this why we seem to win more when he's on the bench? If you look the stats over our winning % is higher when he's on the bench than playing.
I don't want to keep anyone except Foster.... the designated White boy!
And what is the Pacers record w/ Jermaine in the lineup? You always reference stats but never give them. Do you even know? You can't only use this year -- use him over the course of his time w/ the Pacers. He was out of the lineup last year and the year before and we didn't play well.
Bad Boys Part II

Detroit, MI

#23 Dec 30, 2007
Great effort Pacer fans. Pistons are on a mission though. All We want is Boston in the Conference Finals and San Antonio in the Finals.
Miami= Wade+Trash
Chicago= Trash
Orlando= Howard+Turk+Lewis+Trash
Boston=McDaniel+Chambers+Ellis "Opps!" I'm mean
Pierce+Garnett+Allen= same results
Suns= Gimmick Basketball
Dallas= I feel a Draft-Close that window!
Utah Jazz= Always a Bridesmaid never a Bride.
San Antonio= Massacre waiting in Motown
dur

Indianapolis, IN

#24 Dec 30, 2007
Dungy ball wrote:
O'Neal's line:
LAST NIGHT: 20 points, made all his free throws (6), 11 boards, 2 blocks, a steal and 5 assists.
FRIDAY NIGHT: 25 points, made 9 of 12 free throws, 6 boards, 3 blocks and 4 assists.
O'Neal is not the problem. When healthy he's the best player on both ends. He just needs a little help.
so what!!! he isnt a TEAM type of player and he doesnt fit into the chemistry of things whatsoever. bottom line, when he plays they lose.
James

Greencastle, IN

#25 Dec 30, 2007
O'BRIEN! You are the coach! Read your stats! Last night, J.O. made 39% of his field goals and Rush made 33% of his. Dunleavy made 63% of his field goals and Granger made 64% of his. Now, coach, tell me --- who should be taking the shots in the fourth quarter? DUH!
Time to trade

Louisville, KY

#26 Dec 30, 2007
Here are a few trades tht make sense for both teams.

Dunleavy and Tinsley for Magette and Cassell. Cassell wants out and they have been trying to trade Magette for years. The Pacers gets a back court that can actually play defense. Dunleavy gets to coach his son.

Troy Murphy for Jason Williams. With Alonzo out they need front court help. Williams plays better when he runs like the Pacers are trying to do. He is also in the last year of a contract. If he works out the Pacers sign him to a lesser contract. If not they let him go and free up $8Million in salary cap.
Stan

Joliet, IL

#27 Dec 30, 2007
Another close home loss to a veteran championship contender, who is perhaps playing the best of anyone right now. They made the big shots with the game on the line and the Pacers did not. Detroit's bench is much better than last year and will help them go farther in the playoffs (kudos to U of Cincinnati's Jason Maxiell who has stepped up his game). While Owens showed some promise, you do want Tinsley in this type of late game situations. Injuries are part of the game and the Pacers have a number of people hurt or playing hurt. O'Neal did well despite his injuries. It seems some people will scream for a trade every time the Pacers lose. I would not say they played as well as they can, but they were competitive and were in the game until the end. Mostly you lose to teams like the Pistons until you execute at the end as well as they do. The Pacers are a less mature team but they do need to start winning some of these.
indy

Indianapolis, IN

#28 Dec 30, 2007
i agree with "time to trade" i been trying to say that for a long time. miami needs a big men and a point guard, they could send troy murphy and tinsley for jason williams and alonzo plus draft picks. i agree that jason williams could play better in a running team, he can also shoot well, also if this does not work they would have 8mill to sign a free agent, plus draft picks. alonzo would be only used to free cap he is going to retire
blah

Indianapolis, IN

#29 Dec 30, 2007
the more things change, the more they stay the same.
blah

Indianapolis, IN

#30 Dec 30, 2007
indy wrote:
i agree with "time to trade" i been trying to say that for a long time. miami needs a big men and a point guard, they could send troy murphy and tinsley for jason williams and alonzo plus draft picks. i agree that jason williams could play better in a running team, he can also shoot well, also if this does not work they would have 8mill to sign a free agent, plus draft picks. alonzo would be only used to free cap he is going to retire
alonzo is out for the year. next clueless trade statement?
indy

Indianapolis, IN

#31 Dec 30, 2007
alonzo could be trade to any team. i know he is not going to play, is only to free cap room and jason williams they could free up to 10mill if they do not sign jason next year
Glenn

El Paso, TX

#32 Dec 30, 2007
Dungy ball wrote:
O'Neal's line:
LAST NIGHT: 20 points, made all his free throws (6), 11 boards, 2 blocks, a steal and 5 assists.
FRIDAY NIGHT: 25 points, made 9 of 12 free throws, 6 boards, 3 blocks and 4 assists.
O'Neal is not the problem. When healthy he's the best player on both ends. He just needs a little help.
Look at how often the team wins when JO is NOT the leading scorer and when he is NOT in the game.. As much as those stats look good for JO, they don't help the team win and the bottom line is they lost each of the games you refer to. He needs to be traded, the go to guys you be Grainger and Dunleavy respectively!

Go COLTS!!!!!!!!!!
Still hanging in there

Evansville, IN

#33 Dec 30, 2007
Dungy ball wrote:
O'Neal's line:
LAST NIGHT: 20 points, made all his free throws (6), 11 boards, 2 blocks, a steal and 5 assists.
FRIDAY NIGHT: 25 points, made 9 of 12 free throws, 6 boards, 3 blocks and 4 assists.
O'Neal is not the problem. When healthy he's the best player on both ends. He just needs a little help.
These are the best numbers he has put up this year. Here is the problem - He makes 19 million per year + our winning percentage is better when he sits. He should be averaging these numbers for the year and not having season bests with these numbers for the amount of cash he is being paid.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#34 Dec 31, 2007
Suns Fan wrote:
Foster doesn't play because he's a white boy and JO don't like him. Foster plays when JO is hurt. This team I say again needs to be dismantled and start over with Foster and build from there.
Foster and JO play well together and have done so for going on 8 full seasons. Jeff and JO have always played great ball together!

There's new players on this team which according to group dynamics takes time for new members to the group and for the group as a whole to adjust. Smiling in front of the cameras, talking about teamwork, and other fillers, cosmetics, etc ... is not a substitute for what naturally happens during this period of adjustment!
Glenn

El Paso, TX

#35 Dec 31, 2007
sparkplug wrote:
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Foster and JO play well together and have done so for going on 8 full seasons. Jeff and JO have always played great ball together!
There's new players on this team which according to group dynamics takes time for new members to the group and for the group as a whole to adjust. Smiling in front of the cameras, talking about teamwork, and other fillers, cosmetics, etc ... is not a substitute for what naturally happens during this period of adjustment!
Hum.. How well are Garnett, Pierce and Allen getting along, both on and off the court?

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#36 Dec 31, 2007
Glenn wrote:
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Hum.. How well are Garnett, Pierce and Allen getting along, both on and off the court?
lol ... probably like Garnett, Pierce, and Allen! ;-)
bob night

Lafayette, CA

#37 Jan 1, 2008
pacers need to work on offense, use dunleavy more in shooting opportrunities, tinseley needs to shoot less from permiter and start his entry from the side and not the top of the key for clock management so that a good outside shorter can hit from the top of the key

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