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Playoffs a great learning experience for young Bulls

There are 60 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Playoffs a great learning experience for young Bulls. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The way Joakim Noah grabbed the microphone from postgame host Steve Kashul and plopped on the United Center scorer's table Sunday afternoon, it looked like the second-year big man never wanted to leave.

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Bloomie

Bloomington, IL

#42 Apr 28, 2009
James wrote:
<quoted text>Not even close:
Salmons = 31, Rose = 20, Hinrich = 15, Miller = 13, Tyrus = 12, Noah = 7, TT = 5
Sorry, but Bulls lose 114-103.
Rose goes for a big 50 tonight! Bulls win.
Mgray

Atlanta, GA

#43 Apr 28, 2009
Bloomie wrote:
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What is your criteria for judging a GM? Take Mitch Kupchek and the Lakers off of your list, because any time you can trade Marc Gasol for Pau Gasol and earlier trade for Shaq in his prime that smacks of collusion.
The 1st criteria is fairly simple. Pick QUALITY NBA players at the 1 - 5 spots that can compete at the NBA level.
Puba

Redford, MI

#44 Apr 28, 2009
Boston BullsFan wrote:
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Dumars blew up his team after it won ONE title and traded for Iverson. Made the worst # 2 draft pick outside of Sam Bowie. Finshed 8th in a weak conference and got blown out in 4 games.
Denver hasn't won anything yet. Lucked into a stupid trade by Dumars, easily the fleece of the century. Anthony is good but not a great defender. Has made questionable trades.
San Antonio lucked into a franchise player but still hasn't won back-to-back. Not too hard to build around Tim Duncan. Probably one of the top GMs but we'll see what happens when Duncan retires.
Portland still hasn't won anything yet. Oden still may be a bust. Lucked into top 5 in two best drafts in recent history.
Lakers had Kobe to build around. Didn't make the playoffs WITH kobe two years ago, how did that happen? Inexcusable.
I'd agree with you, except for the Dumars bit. I don't know that we can judge the Billups trade based just on this year... I'll wait to see what Dumars can do with the cap space when Iverson and Wallace's giant contracts expire.

If Dumars makes free agent signings that boost the Pistons back into the title picture, he'll look smart for getting younger and rebuilding on the fly. If he doesn't, he'll look like a sucker for throwing away the two or three years they might have had left to contend.(Although the East was already catching up with that old Pistons core-- I don't think they were getting back to the finals with or without Billups.)

Can't argue with you on the Milicic pick, but he's done reasonably well with the late picks he's had in other years.
Boston BullsFan

Dracut, MA

#45 Apr 28, 2009
James wrote:
<quoted text>Joe Dumars gets kicked off for passing up Carmelo Anthony in the draft. Portland? Maybe when they win a playoff series.
Here's my list:
San Antonio (best at getting non-US players)
Boston (for getting KG and a championship)
Utah (they constantly overachieve)
Lakers (for keeping Phil Jackson and Kobe around)
Denver (great trade for Billups)
Worst 5:
New York (trying to recover from the I-bomb)
Charlotte (sorry MJ, but you suck at evaluating talent)
Clippers (just godawful)
Washington (after Arenas, nobody)
Sacramento (thanks for the trade)
Ainge was nothing until his former team-mate GAVE him KG. Ainge did nothing in that transaction.

Utah STILL hasn't won anything. You have to credit Coach Sloan with the overachiever tag.

Like I said before we'll see how "Great" SAS are when Duncan retires, he is already showing signs of age and they are going to get bounced in the first round by Dallas.

How you give LA any credit for having nice weather and nice beaches I don't know. Phil WANTED to go to LA and stay there since he is dating the Boss' daughter. Kobe was the Logo's choice not the current GM, which technically is PJ, since that's why he left Chicago, no?

I think you can find something to complain about with any team and GM. No team stays on the top.

Isiah is obviously a horrible GM, no question. Baylor did a good job in Clipperland and got them to the Playoffs, I think, but got fired and look where they are now.

There are some obvious horrible GMs but to put Pax in that lot is, as you say, crazy - PERIOD!
Mgray

Atlanta, GA

#46 Apr 28, 2009
Boston BullsFan wrote:
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Dumars blew up his team after it won ONE title and traded for Iverson. Made the worst # 2 draft pick outside of Sam Bowie. Finshed 8th in a weak conference and got blown out in 4 games.
Denver hasn't won anything yet. Lucked into a stupid trade by Dumars, easily the fleece of the century. Anthony is good but not a great defender. Has made questionable trades.
San Antonio lucked into a franchise player but still hasn't won back-to-back. Not too hard to build around Tim Duncan. Probably one of the top GMs but we'll see what happens when Duncan retires.
Portland still hasn't won anything yet. Oden still may be a bust. Lucked into top 5 in two best drafts in recent history.
Lakers had Kobe to build around. Didn't make the playoffs WITH kobe two years ago, how did that happen? Inexcusable.
U don't base judgements on a GM on 1 season. What has Dumars done in the same time frame that Paxson has done in the last 6 years? U honestly think Paxson is as GOOD as GM as ANYONE on this list? In 6 seasons, paxson has not drafted, signed or traded 4 a single NBA all-star. The teams has ZERO low post players at the 5 or 4 spots and a coaching staff that has ZERO clues how 2 develope players.
Boston BullsFan

Dracut, MA

#47 Apr 28, 2009
Puba wrote:
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I'd agree with you, except for the Dumars bit. I don't know that we can judge the Billups trade based just on this year... I'll wait to see what Dumars can do with the cap space when Iverson and Wallace's giant contracts expire.
If Dumars makes free agent signings that boost the Pistons back into the title picture, he'll look smart for getting younger and rebuilding on the fly. If he doesn't, he'll look like a sucker for throwing away the two or three years they might have had left to contend.(Although the East was already catching up with that old Pistons core-- I don't think they were getting back to the finals with or without Billups.)
Can't argue with you on the Milicic pick, but he's done reasonably well with the late picks he's had in other years.
There were plenty of other players he could have let go, Billups was the last guy he should have let go. Wallace would have been a good choice.

Dumars also screwed up by firing Rick Carlisle, one of my favorite coaches in the league. He had that team on the upswing and I don't think getting Brown "boosted" them into the finals. After Brown quit he hired a coach who couldn't get KG and company into the finals and had a history of repeatedly getting bumped in the first round.

You can't hammer Pax for hiring a first-year coach after an abysmal season when you look at Detroit. They were in the finals and then Dumnars gets a first-year coach to somehow make into the finals and win?

Dumars made some good moves early but nothing spectacular.
Mgray

Atlanta, GA

#48 Apr 28, 2009
Criteria number 2: I expect real NBA GMs 2 address team weaknesses in the off season. Every single year.
Boston BullsFan

Dracut, MA

#49 Apr 28, 2009
Mgray wrote:
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U don't base judgements on a GM on 1 season. What has Dumars done in the same time frame that Paxson has done in the last 6 years? U honestly think Paxson is as GOOD as GM as ANYONE on this list? In 6 seasons, paxson has not drafted, signed or traded 4 a single NBA all-star. The teams has ZERO low post players at the 5 or 4 spots and a coaching staff that has ZERO clues how 2 develope players.
I judge based on what they do with what they got.

Dumars has made some horrible decisions but since they are one step above where the Bulls have been you put him on a pedastal.

I think if you were a Pistons fan you'd been just as irate with Dumars and Company as you are with Pax and company.

Of course I don't think he's done a great job, but the team has been reasonable competitive and it took Detroit 10 years get back on track, Boston took 20 years and even LA took about 10 years after Magic retired and Kobe matured and got paired with Shaq before they won again.

It all takes time to build something.

Now that Pax has a bonafide star in Rose he can actually build AROUND someone now.

This team is competing aginst one of the best in the East and doing quite well. I think that is a step in the right direction.

Feel free to not be happy and be pessimistic about it.
Mgray

Atlanta, GA

#50 Apr 28, 2009
Boston BullsFan wrote:
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I judge based on what they do with what they got.
U can't be serious, they players they have were CHOSEN by Paxson. That doesn't not even make any sense.
Mgray

Atlanta, GA

#51 Apr 28, 2009
Boston BullsFan wrote:
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Of course I don't think he's done a great job, but the team has been reasonable competitive and it took Detroit 10 years get back on track, Boston took 20 years .
Seems u have a short memory. Boston Choose Len Bias in 1986 who was a 6'8" Michael Jordon and they also choose Reggie and 6' 7" small forward was was a budding star. They both died which set Boston back.
Bloomie

Bloomington, IL

#52 Apr 28, 2009
Mgray wrote:
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Seems u have a short memory. Boston Choose Len Bias in 1986 who was a 6'8" Michael Jordon and they also choose Reggie and 6' 7" small forward was was a budding star. They both died which set Boston back.
Moment of silence for Len Bias. He was my favorite college player, but we don't know how his game would have transitioned to the pro level. I liked Hank Gathers, Larry Johnson and here is an obscure name from the past Fennis Denbo(I know I misspelled the name) from I think Utah? Some of the great players from the past.
Puba

Redford, MI

#53 Apr 28, 2009
Boston BullsFan wrote:
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There were plenty of other players he could have let go, Billups was the last guy he should have let go. Wallace would have been a good choice.
Dumars also screwed up by firing Rick Carlisle, one of my favorite coaches in the league. He had that team on the upswing and I don't think getting Brown "boosted" them into the finals. After Brown quit he hired a coach who couldn't get KG and company into the finals and had a history of repeatedly getting bumped in the first round.
You can't hammer Pax for hiring a first-year coach after an abysmal season when you look at Detroit. They were in the finals and then Dumnars gets a first-year coach to somehow make into the finals and win?
Dumars made some good moves early but nothing spectacular.
I doubt there were many takers for Sheed-- Dumars certainly wasn't going to get a huge expiring contract (which is Iverson's only value) without giving up something of value. I'm not saying it was necessarily a brilliant move... I'm just saying that we can't judge it until we see what the team looks like in a year or two.
ATLDre

Atlanta, GA

#54 Apr 28, 2009
Bloomie wrote:
Reports are surfacing that BG might not play today. If BG doesn't play do you automatically start Hinrich? I would start Tim Thomas at SF, slide Salmons to 2 guard, and bring Hinrich off the bench. Because if Hinrich or Rose get quick fouls, then we would really see a bad offensive show.
If Gordon s out, you go with Kirk. It will be the best fit to start the game. Thomas is a waste of space at this point.
kenny

Auburn, WA

#55 Apr 28, 2009
i know that Vinny has upset a lot of bulls fans by his questionable coaching decisions, but that is the process of becoming a good head coach...he is a rookie coach with a rookie point guard and no post presence. Look at mike brown in cleveland, 3 years ago he was a rookie coach and now he is coach of the year and is keeping a guy like lebron in check and helping him develope into the best player in the league..i think VDN can do the same with rose, given time and patience.
James

United States

#56 Apr 28, 2009
kenny wrote:
i know that Vinny has upset a lot of bulls fans by his questionable coaching decisions, but that is the process of becoming a good head coach...he is a rookie coach with a rookie point guard and no post presence. Look at mike brown in cleveland, 3 years ago he was a rookie coach and now he is coach of the year and is keeping a guy like lebron in check and helping him develope into the best player in the league..i think VDN can do the same with rose, given time and patience.
Rose has to learn how to play defense. He's big enough and quick enough - he should become very good at it if he works hard enough. Right now he's getting torched by Rondo.
kenny

Auburn, WA

#57 Apr 28, 2009
James wrote:
<quoted text>Rose has to learn how to play defense. He's big enough and quick enough - he should become very good at it if he works hard enough. Right now he's getting torched by Rondo.
he has all the makings of a good/great defender...he is strong for his position, he is quick, fast, has good hands, moves his feet well and is a pretty smart player...he is like lebron was in his first 3-4 years, he just needs to keep putting in the effort, and learn that defense is just as important as offense...he will learn though
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Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#58 Apr 29, 2009
Mgray wrote:
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Seems u have a short memory. Boston Choose Len Bias in 1986 who was a 6'8" Michael Jordon and they also choose Reggie and 6' 7" small forward was was a budding star. They both died which set Boston back.
Len Bias would have been about as much like Michael Jordan as you would have been a great poster like me, Captain Sunshine.
Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#59 Apr 29, 2009
Bloomie wrote:
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Moment of silence for Len Bias. He was my favorite college player, but we don't know how his game would have transitioned to the pro level. I liked Hank Gathers, Larry Johnson and here is an obscure name from the past Fennis Denbo(I know I misspelled the name) from I think Utah? Some of the great players from the past.
How about a moment of silence for YOU and your 'Bulls in five' prediction?
Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#60 Apr 29, 2009
kenny wrote:
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he has all the makings of a good/great defender...he is strong for his position, he is quick, fast, has good hands, moves his feet well and is a pretty smart player...he is like lebron was in his first 3-4 years, he just needs to keep putting in the effort, and learn that defense is just as important as offense...he will learn though
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There are no comparisons between Rose and James.
kenny

Auburn, WA

#61 Apr 29, 2009
Nada Surf wrote:
<quoted text>There are no comparisons between Rose and James.
on the way d rose is strugglin on d just like lebron did for his first few years, there ARE A LOT OF COMPARISONS! oh, and the fact that they are both very athletic is a comparison, how about that they both won rookie of the year, how about they both struggle with their jumpshots (lebron not so much anymore), how about that they both attack the rim at an elite level...id say that there are a few comparisons.

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