Never-say-die effort is pleasing to Bird

Never-say-die effort is pleasing to Bird

There are 22 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 14, 2007, titled Never-say-die effort is pleasing to Bird. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Indiana Pacers president Larry Bird , traveling with the team, said their constant struggles are frustrating.

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eli

United States

#1 Mar 14, 2007
As a close personal friend of former Colts coach Jim Mora it was hard to see him leave Indianapolis . After all he was a "good" coach , and he ran into a run of bad luck , but .....????!
Ten losses in a row cannot be the fault of anyone except the coach ! A contract extension and title of "V.P." be damned , if the Titanic had a different captain they quite possibly do not hit the iceberg !
Larry it is time for you to take flight, and let a different type of "Bird" lead the way ! Grow a pair ... fire Rick .... and lets salvage the season . As the late coach of the Colts said ..."Playoffs, Playoffs " ; for the sake of the Pacer franchise make the right decision , steer clear of inaction and this team can make the playoffs !
p.s. it is early morning and time to take my meds
RBB

Irving, TX

#2 Mar 14, 2007
The loss of Foster left the Pacers at a disadvantage because they didn't have nobody to defend Timberwolves forward Kevin Garnett, who finished with 30 points and nine rebounds.

..."didn't have nobody"???

Hard to imagine this kind of grammatical error made it into the newspaper. I'm sure I won't be the only one to notice it.
steve wright

La Vergne, TN

#3 Mar 14, 2007
Larry Bird coached Indiana for only three years, saying after that, they (the players) don't really listen to you. Am I wrong? Or was that Larry Brown after four years?
JohnB

AOL

#4 Mar 14, 2007
RBB, you weren't the only one to notice it. I'm glad you mentioned it. I was going to let it slide.
Dan in South Carolina

Espanola, NM

#5 Mar 14, 2007
Didn't have nobody???
Shawn Rodgers

Indianapolis, IN

#6 Mar 14, 2007
Pleasing? Pleasing? What are you watching? Pleasing? The Pacers have lost 10 in a row, were over the salary tax mark, and alot of those losses were by double digits!!!!!! Pleasing? You have got to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!
JohnB

AOL

#7 Mar 14, 2007
I wish everyone would get off Carlisle's case. I find this sheep mentality by Indiana basketball fans disappointing. Sure, Carlisle does some things we don't like, but we could say that about any coach. The point is he doesn't have much to work with. I'm more inclined to criticize Bird and Walsh for the absence of shooters on the roster.

I watched the game on League Pass, or whatever it's called, last night and the Minnesota broadcast analyst described the Pacers as such:
*Carlisle is a very good coach, his teams have never failed to make the playoffs. He's a very good defensive coach.
*They have the worst point guards in the eastern conference.
*They are the worst shooting team in the NBA.
*They rank high in the league in a lot of defensive categories.

They were also aghast at the number of turnovers committed by the Pacers. We've gotten so used to them we even think a 14-15 turnover game is not bad. Traveling, offensive fouls and sloppy passing account for most of them.
We dont really care

United States

#8 Mar 14, 2007
I keep reading all these stories about the Pacers trying to improve their image and trying to improve the team chemistry. Bottom Line...>We don't care....I've never cared for Jermaine O'Neal..he's nosuperstar...Superstar's continually elevate their game and make others better...Jermaine is a 20/10 guy every year but that's it.....I dont like Jamaal Tinsley...I couldn't stand him at Iowa State so what makes you think I'd like him now......? Especially after all the "Allegedly" stupid things he's done. I dont like Mike Dunleavy....He was as soft as a Crispy Creme at Duke and still is....so guess what...I'm not rooting for him either...The players people wanted to see on this team and appreciated we let go...ie Anthony Johnson, Austin Croshere, Fred Jones, and James Jones......If the Pacers want to win fans back they need to dump guys like Jermaine, Jamaal, and Marquis and start re-adding guys like Croshere, Johnson, and the Joneses. Otherwise expect alot of empty seats in Conseco to continue being empty.
Former Fan

Macon, MS

#9 Mar 14, 2007
Pleased???? Pleased????? "Run of bad luck"???? You must be kidding!!! Playoffs...playoffs ??!!???!!
playoffs PLAYOFFS

Darien, IL

#10 Mar 14, 2007
i agree that you have to get guys in that not only we like but care about us the fans, croshere did and it sure seemed that way when anthony johnson scored 40 points in our last playoff game last year only to be shipped out for what? guys we havent used!
Croshere should still be on this team. He wasnt hurting us, his contract was large but he is a free agent at years end meaning we could of signed him for much less.
Get guys that also care for us the fans, or atleast act like it. Im tired of jermaine talking about leaving and yes he is not a number 1 option on any team he should be a 2 option. Im sure he would fit well with a bucks team or Lakers team where they have Redd or Kobe that are true 1 options.
If you cant get someone that with out a doubt is a true superstar to have oneal play along side then move on from oneal and trade him to a team who thinks he is a superstar.
rick risley

Greenville, SC

#11 Mar 14, 2007
well its obivious now, we will have losing Larry Bird and Rick Carlisle until they run off all the rest of the pacers because they dont want to play thier way. I dont even watch anymore,because it cant be watched if your a true pacer fan. I will return when the pacers get some leadership that wants the players to play the best they can. Larry Bird still thinks he is the operating force, well as long as he is, we dont have a chance,ask Red Auerabach, He had plenty of chances to find Mr. Bird an important job in the NBA and he never did. Larry wasn't even on the Celtics draft board. So, Pacer fans, the team is going downhill and watch it keep going downhill with Carlisle and Bird/.
Don in Indy

Indianapolis, IN

#12 Mar 14, 2007
13 of 14 POINTS in a whole quarter?? Ball hog!! Gun!! Assists??? Makes teams better by setting them up!!!! Equates to: WINS(?) How bout those missed bunnies 8 feet from the rim??? Could have drawn us to 2 points and one point. Instead a miss and they go back up by 5. That's too many to overcome without a Reggie miracle 8 in 18 seconds!!! Pass the ball. Stay out of traffic at the end. Quit taking the ball into the teeth of the defense when you're only 6'3' against 3 defenders!! You're giving them the game!! You're throwing the game!!! HELLLOOOO SIMONS
Ted

AOL

#13 Mar 14, 2007
Walsh, Bird, and Carlise have made a big mistake in judgement. They have tried to build the Pacers around O'Neal. O'Neal was having an all-star season, but at his best he is only a 20/10 guy. He is nothing more than a solid role player, a second option. He never should been considered a #1 option. When you base your whole team on dream, it's going to blow up in your face! The major problem is Walsh, Bird, and Carlise have yet to understand that fact.

Evansville IN
Dr Q

Las Cruces, NM

#14 Mar 14, 2007
My favorite professional sports teams by sport are:

St. Louis Cardinals (World Series title)

Indianapolis Colts (Super Bowl title)

Indiana Pacers (well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad)
Carey from Carmel IN

Louisville, KY

#15 Mar 14, 2007
Just "giving it everything" will never be enough for a win..now they are matching/giving the same effort/heart as nearly every NBA team out there at this point in the season.

Pacer fans respect and appreciate this minimum requirement-but it is not going to give them the win in and of itself.

We are playing tougher determined team defense. In the NBA there is a determined scorer who came to win on every team every game. Pacer players must decide now to make the defensive pride STOPS necessary to win as a TEAM DEFENSIVE UNIT dedicated to communicating when beat and asking for defensive HELP.

We have seen marked improvement in desire and JO and others defensively telling fans they are fighting for the wins by doing the dirty work.

Offensively we still need to pass the ball around the peremiter faster and pick away from the ball and have more purposeful cuts off the hith post pick to the basket for higher percentage close shots.

Remember how hard Reggie would work (move) without the ball low post double Reggie pick as he fought frantically up to the wing to demand the ball as the "go to man"?

It is encouraging to get this close in recent games because obviously it brings us "that much closer" to winning and showing fans and Bird they are willing to do what it takes with heart and perseverance even if the wins don't occur short term. It seems encouraging that we are doing "more of the right things" which is always positive. Avoid pauses in our offensive scoring at start of the 4th quarter with MOVEMENT off of high post picks and quick passing into the interior if possible.

Fans can have faith and BELIEVE when we see this improved level of effort.

Thanks Pacers. Keep your chins up and keep playing with everything you've got-because that is going to be what it takes to win in this league at a minimum.
magi

United States

#16 Mar 14, 2007
Larry,
It's not the coach, it's the team (players). No one on the team can consistently hit a 3, which is what it takes to overcome the zone. We need two "shooters"--oh, and we still need to deal with Tinsley, for a variety of reasons.
Randy Wittman fan

United States

#17 Mar 14, 2007
Congrats to Randy Wittman on his IBHOF induction. Just wanted to add, not only was Randy an outstanding player for IU, but a terrific high school player for Ben Davis. Of course the Star, in it's usual lazy journalism, missed that additional and important part to Randy's Indiana basketball carreer.
mef

Cupertino, CA

#18 Mar 14, 2007
JohnB wrote:
I wish everyone would get off Carlisle's case. I find this sheep mentality by Indiana basketball fans disappointing. Sure, Carlisle does some things we don't like, but we could say that about any coach. The point is he doesn't have much to work with. I'm more inclined to criticize Bird and Walsh for the absence of shooters on the roster.
I watched the game on League Pass, or whatever it's called, last night and the Minnesota broadcast analyst described the Pacers as such:
*Carlisle is a very good coach, his teams have never failed to make the playoffs. He's a very good defensive coach.
*They have the worst point guards in the eastern conference.
*They are the worst shooting team in the NBA.
*They rank high in the league in a lot of defensive categories.
They were also aghast at the number of turnovers committed by the Pacers. We've gotten so used to them we even think a 14-15 turnover game is not bad. Traveling, offensive fouls and sloppy passing account for most of them.
I agree. Carlisle is a solid coach. he hasn't had a consistent team to work within 3 seasons. I watch the LP as well, and when the opposition critiques carlisle it is always positive. Even the TNT guys give him credit (not just reggie). In addition, if you do get rid of carlisle, what coach is available to fill in. I'm all for it if you can put a BETTER coach in there, but I'm not sure if there are any solid coaches out there who aren't currently coaching an NBA team.
herma ward

Elmhurst, IL

#19 Mar 14, 2007
Please explain to me how Larry bird can be happy with the Pacer's "Never Say Die", effort when the blow another double diget lead in the 3rd quarter and lose the game.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#20 Mar 14, 2007
If this is the best they can do, then I'm fine with it. I've really liked watching some of the movement since the trade. Dunleavy hustles, and so does Ike. Murphy has shown why he's a solid contributor, but at this point wins are all that matters, not single player efforts.

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