Diogu gets double-double
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#1 Apr 2, 2007
I hope this reality of how good Diogu can be sinks in? Question now is if Pacers make playoffs, how good should they be with return of O'Neal? I hope Carlisle can adjust to what he has and allow Diogu, Foster and J.O. equal time without being so predictable. Otherwise, to lose in the first round is a waste concerning next season preparations. That is, losing our 1st round pick to Atlanta.(10th pick and J.O. would go a long way....)
#2 Apr 2, 2007
Come on... let's get smart, here.
1. Tank the season so we can keep our 1st round pick. Not likely to happen, but I hope it plays out that way.
2. Shut down Foster and O'Neal
3. Ike needs to play 25+ minutes/game EVERY game.
4. Ditto for Maceo Baston. Let's see what he can do with more minutes.
5. After the season, trade O'Neal and 1st round pick (if we still have one) for 1st overall pick (if we don't win it in the lottery, ourselves).
6. Draft Oden or Durant
* Durant could be next Jordan
* Oden may not be as ready as Jordan, but he'll have the same impact on Indy as Lebron had on Cleveland, his hometown. Would help ticket sales, too.
O'Neal is a great player, but we depend on him too much, and we would win a lot more with a more balanced attack.
Diogu reminds me of a young Antonio Davis (aka, "A.D."), and Baston's tough down low. That combo MORE than makes up for O'Neal's absence.
I'm not saying that because we won one game last night. I've felt this way all year.
I've been a big Pacer fan for years, and I refuse to give up on them. We just need to allow new blood to take over, just like when we traded the popular "Double D", Dale Davis, to Portland for O'Neal.
I remember how much people hated that trade at the time, but I was fired up about it because I knew that Donnie W. knew what he was doing, and that O'Neal was a star in the making. Just like Diogu is right now, in my opinion.
I wonder how many others feel the same way that I do?
#3 Apr 2, 2007
I do! Diogu is a diamond in the rough. The Warriors threw him in the trade and we will reap the benefits. We traded Jackson for Dunleavy which was just about even as far as scoring goes (much better as far as the nightclubs, guns, etc. are concerned). We traded Harrington for Murphy which, to me, was an even trade (Harrington was lazy and couldn't defend). And, then, we got Diogu for Jasikevicus!(I probably spelled that wrong) So, we end up a big winner on that one. All in all, we got the best of the trade with the Warriors. I don't like the long contracts, but maybe it will work out. I just wish everybody would look at the trade seriously and quit griping. We are going to be OK.
#4 Apr 2, 2007
Lots of people do.
Your hope of drafting Oden is a pretty far stretch for a team that very likely won't get ANY draft pick, let alone a pick high enough to get either Oden or Durant. And O'Neal isn't enough to trade for a 1 or 2 pick in the coming draft. Would you take O'Neal if you were Memphis?
Your faith in young players turning out wonderful is also pretty common, and I share it. Seeing what becomes of Granger, Diogu and Williams is the most interesting thing about the Pacers anymore.
We just need to allow new blood to take over, just like when we traded the popular "Double D", Dale Davis, to Portland for O'Neal.
I remember how much people hated that trade at the time, but I was fired up about it because I knew that Donnie W. knew what he was doing, and that O'Neal was a star in the making. Just like Diogu is right now, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Dunno about this. I'd rather go to the NBA finals with Dale Davis, than to the All-Star game with Jermaine.
#5 Apr 2, 2007
This is what I don't understand, one game, they had one good game and the Pacer fans are just, maybe the fans aren't that bright. Or at least a few of them. Look, Jackson is far more atheletic and can do far more better things than Dunleavy. Jackson can play point forward, Dunleavy can't pass that well. Jackson can also drive in the lane and finish, and Dunleavy, lets just say if his shot is not falling, he is done.
Al is far more superior athelete than Murphy ever will be. Al shoots the three better, runs better, and finishes inside.
Plus, Al and Jackson have much smaller contracts and money owed to them, some 40 million less than Murphy and Dunleavy.
Ike, compare his to Josh Powell, who has played well for GS when given the chance. Today, as of today, Ike is better than Josh Powell, but who knows in the future. They both are untapped potential and Ike might end up being better than Josh.
The other two guards, lets just say it was a draw, Keith McCloud and SJ. But if counting the bar scenes, Since the Trade, none of the players have been caught up with anything except Keith McCloud with Tinsley, so GS is one up on that.
Lets just say we like our trade just as much as yours. We would make that trade again, and again, would you.
#6 Apr 2, 2007
The honest truth: The Pacers will never will a championship with JO as the star. Period.
#7 Apr 2, 2007
winning has nothing to do with JO.
there is a saying in the nba that goes 1 allstar= average team.
2 allstars= good team
3 allstars= title contender.
look at detroit, pheonix, dallas, san antonio, and miami. They all have atleast 2 true allstars and then a supporting cast that is filled with allstar worthy players. It has absolutely nothing to do with JO. Reggie never won anything but everyone knows he was a winner because he always came through and hit the big time shots, the reason JO has never won is the same as with reggie. not enough talent around him
#8 Apr 2, 2007
I love Ike. I watched him at A.S.U. for three years. I called their team "Jesus and the lepers." He was by far the most dominant player I have ever seen in college basketball, and that includes Greg Oden. Ike was double teamed, and often triple teamed, and still killed every team they played.
He has been really unlucky in the pro's with the timing of his injuries.
Hopefully, next year he will sign with a different team (One that will play him) and start killing in the pro's, like he did against Tim Duncan Sunday.
All he needs is minutes.
#9 Apr 3, 2007
there is more to the ike thing i believe, i believe pacers got him as insurance for when pacers may trade oneal. Thats what i believe but i dont know.
Ike is good and if he doest work out we have murphy/foster/Harrison worst case scenerio is Ike sits another year on the bench even if Oneal is not here but im sure that wouldnt happen.
We have good things its a matter of Carlisle stopping the whole "giving a certain number of touches"
Let tinsley lead the team if thats humanly possible and let these young guys grow, they will eventually outshine tinsley. we will be more of a team rather than a 1 man show with how the whole thing is with Oneal.
#10 Apr 8, 2007
Why are people hating on Jermain O'Neal when he passed the blocking record and he only been with us for a couple of years. I want us to keep on losing for we can get in the lottery it only matters if we get a top ten pick that already good. We have a slim chance of getting in the top five pick. This season was just like a nightmare after the allStar break but there is goods out of there we seen some of our players develop like Ike. I say we should put Ike and Jermain together and we will be a beast in the paint
#11 Apr 8, 2007
and Danny granger improve a little bit and tinsley be more like Nash a passer and a better scorer
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