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Not an NBA point guard

United States

#21 Mar 14, 2008
qwertyuiop wrote:
So Dunleavy and Diener aren't the greatest defenders. That was the knock on Reggie Miller and still is on Tinsley, at least if he ever plays again. Maybe I just feel like giving Bird some credit for a change.
Reggie Miller was one player one player on a team that had good defenders like Dale, Antonio and McKey. This team has 1 good starter that plays defense and that is Granger. I don't count JO since he doesnt't play. Everyone other starter is soft. You can hide one soft defender on a team like they did with Reggie. You can not hide and entire line up. Besides, what Reggie lacked in defense he more than made up for with being clutch. Every player on the current roster is a choke artist. Most of them are afraid to even take the big shot.
Diener was just antoher fill in player because Bird was too dumb to see the truth about the roster he assembled. Diener is a nice kid who tries hard but he is only a servicable back up on a real team. Why do you think he never played in Orlando?
IndyMike

Kansas City, MO

#22 Mar 14, 2008
It's not like JT is better defensively. At least TD puts out good effort instead of playing the matadore defense like Tins. I think it's good for him to get a lot of playing time. See what we got. Look to the future. He just needs more confidence.
Toxicprof

Cortland, NY

#23 Mar 14, 2008
Breaking News! Larry Bird has just traded the Pacers' first round draft pick in 2008 for the rights to the IUPUI Mascot. "He's a go-getter who really knows his way around a basketball court--although sometimes he can lose his head. I think he will fit into the culture we have established on this team."
LA in Denver

Denver, CO

#24 Mar 14, 2008
This kid may turn into something. Allen Iverson & Steve Nash are two current players who come to mind who are about 6'1 and less than 200 lbs. Nash is known more as a ball handler and play
maker than a scorer. Iverson is scorer at the expense of the other 4 guys on the court with him.
Both are subject to getting posted up due to their size but play more of a switching zone/man defense so they seldom find themselves on the blocks.
Wayne

Lafayette, IN

#25 Mar 14, 2008
One reason the Pacers aren't very good: evaluation of talent by Jim O'Brien. Quote "We're trying to get Travis -- and I met with Travis at some length -- to utilize his size and his speed more effectively offensively and defensively. To be a little bit more of a pest defensively. Offensively, using his speed as much as possible." His specific limitations (size and speed) are what O'Brien wants him to utilize???? That's like saying you want Ron Artest to be the braintrust of your team. Diener has many great qualities, but size and speed are not two of them. So, why would O'Brien want him to utilize those aspects more? What next, hire Jonathan Bender as your strength and conditioning coach? Just makes no sense, or about as much sense as this season has made. Guess I should have expected his hypocritical comments. Mike Wells in the very next paragraph talks about Dieners size and stature as his weaknesses. Looks like he has a better understanding of the Pacers than O'Brien.
Wayne

Lafayette, IN

#26 Mar 14, 2008
What on earth does this comment have to do with basketball? Quote: "He needs to shave off that beard and stop wearing black socks. The beard makes him look even younger and the black socks make him look shorter!" Let's say he does those things you have requested. How does that make him anymore of a legitimate NBA point guard. Sounds like you should be watching "Project Runway", not analyzing basketball players! Seriously, how is what your requesting going to help the Pacers win games?
Gordy wrote:
I have seen Diener play night-in and night-out at every home game this season, in person. He has made great strides and is a terrific passer. His leadership role is now coming into play and I expect him to be one of the elite guards in the NBA. When Diener, Tinsley and Daniels stand side-by-side you notice there is very little difference in their heights. Diener is not a stout but I think he can beef up a little. He needs to shave off that beard and stop wearing black socks. The beard makes him look even younger and the black socks make him look shorter!
what

Cincinnati, OH

#27 Mar 14, 2008
Wayne wrote:
One reason the Pacers aren't very good: evaluation of talent by Jim O'Brien. Quote "We're trying to get Travis -- and I met with Travis at some length -- to utilize his size and his speed more effectively offensively and defensively. To be a little bit more of a pest defensively. Offensively, using his speed as much as possible." His specific limitations (size and speed) are what O'Brien wants him to utilize???? That's like saying you want Ron Artest to be the braintrust of your team. Diener has many great qualities, but size and speed are not two of them. So, why would O'Brien want him to utilize those aspects more? What next, hire Jonathan Bender as your strength and conditioning coach? Just makes no sense, or about as much sense as this season has made. Guess I should have expected his hypocritical comments. Mike Wells in the very next paragraph talks about Dieners size and stature as his weaknesses. Looks like he has a better understanding of the Pacers than O'Brien.
What O'Brien is saying is that Diener IS quick. He means that a player of Diener's size has to utilize his speed/quickness more.
As a smaller/quicker player you can be a "pest" and get a lot of steals, specially if you harass the big guys down low.
Hope that helps...
Wayne

Lafayette, IN

#28 Mar 15, 2008
Ok, I'll buy that. So, can you explain the part about O'Brien wanting Diener to use his "size" offensively and defensively? In the article, Wells points out in the next paragraph that his size has always limited him and that's why he didn't play in Orlando. Also, do you really think Travis Diener is "quick" by NBA standards? From what I have seen, he is middle of the pack "quick" when it comes to NBA point guards. I can name thirty NBA point guards right now who are quicker than him. Not trying to knock him, just looking at it objectively.
what wrote:
<quoted text>
What O'Brien is saying is that Diener IS quick. He means that a player of Diener's size has to utilize his speed/quickness more.
As a smaller/quicker player you can be a "pest" and get a lot of steals, specially if you harass the big guys down low.
Hope that helps...
what

Cincinnati, OH

#29 Mar 15, 2008
Wayne wrote:
Ok, I'll buy that. So, can you explain the part about O'Brien wanting Diener to use his "size" offensively and defensively? In the article, Wells points out in the next paragraph that his size has always limited him and that's why he didn't play in Orlando. Also, do you really think Travis Diener is "quick" by NBA standards? From what I have seen, he is middle of the pack "quick" when it comes to NBA point guards. I can name thirty NBA point guards right now who are quicker than him. Not trying to knock him, just looking at it objectively.<quoted text>
He says "size and speed". Again, I understand what Wells is saying and that is obviously true because Diener didn't get any playing time in Orlando. O'Brien wants him to use his "size and speed" here to drive to the basket and collapse the defense off the pick and roll instead of just looking for the jump shot.
I agree that Diener is probably not in the top 5 or 10 quickest PG's in the NBA, but he handles the ball well and the fact that he can hit a three works in his favor because you have to get up close and guard him out there. While Diener is clearly not Iverson, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, or TJ Ford quick, he is all the Pacers have at PG and I would rather watch him than Tinsley for obvious reasons.
dfish

Indianapolis, IN

#30 Mar 15, 2008
He has proven that he is better than JT, at lest he stays out of trouble and is healthy.
deb

United States

#31 Mar 18, 2008
how can you say he is a thug. you must have your head up your butt or you are jealous because you don't make that kind of money.he has worked hard at this game all of his life.i have watched him play his whole career and i am happy to see him get some credit.dont't judge him if you know nothing about him.

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