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Too many questions face reconstructed group right now

There are 38 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Nov 1, 2006, titled Too many questions face reconstructed group right now. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

The Indiana Pacers open the regular season tonight, traveling to Charlotte to play the Bobcats, and the questions are begged: Who are they? What are they? Animal? Vegetable? Mineral? In the past, they were ...

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Joe

Lizton, IN

#22 Nov 1, 2006
I would be willing to endure a few losing seasons if we could just dump Tinsley, Jacko, & O'Neal.
edo bg

Frankfort, KY

#23 Nov 1, 2006
Joe wrote:
I would be willing to endure a few losing seasons if we could just dump Tinsley, Jacko, & O'Neal.
There would be plenty of takers for O'neal. Other two have to go. Why do you think peja refused to stay there. Thug mentality of the team. Ne serious nba player will take that. Maybe you can get sebastian tellfair and ron artest back. Add bonzi wells and you got your self a complete team. Of thugs.
Cato

Cleveland, OH

#24 Nov 1, 2006
edo bg wrote:
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I've never been a pacers fan, but i'll alway be regie miller fan. I don't know why they let stojakovic go for nothing in return. I see him having an mvp type of season this year in NO
They got Al Harrington. How is that nothing?
edo bg

Frankfort, KY

#25 Nov 1, 2006
Harrington was a free agent.
jct

Ft Mitchell, KY

#26 Nov 1, 2006
I still believe that we need to give Mr.Larry Bird a chance. His job is tough. Granted his transactions haven't been favorable to Pacer fans the past couple years. But how would you like to have his job? Personally, I think Larry knows his stuff. He saw something in Sarunas that he hasn't brought to the table yet. I think it's still in him, but can't be shown playing constantly...trying to impress our hostile fans.
All players have to be given a good solid chance. Take their cold shooting, and wait out their in-abilities. Europe was a different kind of ball playing. Naturally, it's going to take him some time to adjust. I like Sarunas and what he might possibly do some day. He's got game, playing with the right kind of players. He looks pretty well adjusted on the floor with Maeco. That's familarity. He needs to play more than a few minutes per game to get rid of that shooting slump he's in. About the turnovers...seems like to me he's pondering on what the fans are thinking about his inefficiencies. He must read the newspapers like the rest of us. He knows he doesn't have the size of the quickness of most NBA'ers but he needs sufficient time to prove his abilities. Mark Jackson was not very big...and far from quick. He wasn't very good getting the ball up the court against pressure defenses. But he was a great ballplayer...durable, an established star. Give RUNY the same chance.
Cato

Cleveland, OH

#27 Nov 1, 2006
edo bg wrote:
Harrington was a free agent.
Huh? Harrington wasn't a free agent; the Pacers acquired Harrington in a trade with Atlanta in exchange for a first round pick.

The Pacers were only able to acquire Harrington because of the shrewd deal that it brokered with the Hornets. Rather than allowing Stojakovic to leave Indiana as a free agent, it convinced the Hornets to take part in a sign and trade that sent the Pacers, among other things, a $7.5 million salary cap trade exemption. Without the exemption, the Pacers would not have been able to acquire Harrington without giving the Hawks significant salaries in return.

Because of some shrewd bargaining, the Pacers essentially got Harrington in exchange for Artest and a 2007 first round pick--which, incidentally, is lottery protected.
Keith Tully

Indianapolis, IN

#28 Nov 1, 2006
J Scott wrote:
Hilarious slogan, Keither, if desperate in its hilarity.
Solid column, Mr. Kravitz. Memo to Pacers front office: What is UP?
It's just sad the words Pacers and shooting used to mean Reggie Miller hitting 3's or going for the Free throw record. Now it involves cops and late night arrests. Note to Pacers-I have a clear choice: Payton Manning or Stephen Jackson; Tony Dungy or Jamaal Tinsley; Unassuming stars or self-centered wannabe's. I'll support the Pacers again when there's a difference between their headlines and the Mayor's task force on crime....
Cato

Cleveland, OH

#29 Nov 1, 2006
edo bg wrote:
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There would be plenty of takers for O'neal. Other two have to go. Why do you think peja refused to stay there. Thug mentality of the team. Ne serious nba player will take that. Maybe you can get sebastian tellfair and ron artest back. Add bonzi wells and you got your self a complete team. Of thugs.
By the way, Stojakovic left the Pacers because the Pacers were not willing or able to pay $13 million/year over five years to a player who is both injury-prone and has seen his offensive numbers decline over the past several years--last year, a contract year, mind you--was one of this worst seasons as a professional.

Acquiring Harrington for Stojakovic was a great deal. Harrington doesn't have injury issues (where was Stojakovic during the key playoff games last year? That's right--on the bench, hurt) and he's got a better upside. He doesn't have the outside shooting ability of Stojakovic, but he's a better rebounder and better defender--plus, Harrington is younger.

All in all, I believe it was a good move for the Pacers.
Travis Horn

Crystal Lake, IL

#30 Nov 1, 2006
Have you liked any of the Pacer's teams? Did you write anything encouraging at that time? Every one is always entitled to their opinion, but you always seem to back yours up by using additional opinions that you pass off as established fact. Come on, use something concrete-don't just whine about it. You mention two unrelated incidences and write as if one was the result of the other. Really, Larry Legend caused all these problems by supporting Artest? The media ran Artest out of Indy, not the fans. The media got it all wrong, but you and the others got your precious story - nice job.
jct

Ft Mitchell, KY

#31 Nov 1, 2006
Remembering back... the Chris Mullin thing of a few years ago. I also remember Larry Bird had something to do with that. How about the Jalen Rose thing right now? Couldn't Jalen help us like Chris did back then. then?
Joe

Kenosha, WI

#32 Nov 1, 2006
Unload the trobled players! It's simple!
Jim - New Albany IN

Jeffersonville, IN

#33 Nov 1, 2006
That's my Boy Bob, tell it like it is and has been. If this is the Larry Legend mindset for managing, then either send him back to the bench where he has a great record coaching, or, send him back to French Lick (I hear they have a new casino, maybe he can manage there). I respect Larry, but Donnie had best check his retirement clause, and not leave just yet. Please, no more Pitiful Pacer Play.
Jim - New Albany IN

Jeffersonville, IN

#34 Nov 1, 2006
Travis Horn wrote:
Have you liked any of the Pacer's teams? Did you write anything encouraging at that time? Every one is always entitled to their opinion, but you always seem to back yours up by using additional opinions that you pass off as established fact. Come on, use something concrete-don't just whine about it. You mention two unrelated incidences and write as if one was the result of the other. Really, Larry Legend caused all these problems by supporting Artest? The media ran Artest out of Indy, not the fans. The media got it all wrong, but you and the others got your precious story - nice job.
Mr. Horn - What have you been drinking, and in what quantity? Artest ran Artest out of town, and Larry had the chance to get something more for him and didn't. Just look past Larry Legend's playing ties with Hoosierland, and rate him on his Basketball Operations results. And please don't whine.
jct

Ft Mitchell, KY

#35 Nov 1, 2006
jct wrote:
I still believe that we need to give Mr.Larry Bird a chance. His job is tough. Granted his transactions haven't been favorable to Pacer fans the past couple years. But how would you like to have his job? Personally, I think Larry knows his stuff. He saw something in Sarunas that he hasn't brought to the table yet. I think it's still in him, but can't be shown playing constantly...trying to impress our hostile fans.
All players have to be given a good solid chance. Take their cold shooting, and wait out their in-abilities. Europe was a different kind of ball playing. Naturally, it's going to take him some time to adjust. I like Sarunas and what he might possibly do some day. He's got game, playing with the right kind of players. He looks pretty well adjusted on the floor with Maeco. That's familarity. He needs to play more than a few minutes per game to get rid of that shooting slump he's in. About the turnovers...seems like to me he's pondering on what the fans are thinking about his inefficiencies. He must read the newspapers like the rest of us. He knows he doesn't have the size of the quickness of most NBA'ers but he needs sufficient time to prove his abilities. Mark Jackson was not very big...and far from quick. He wasn't very good getting the ball up the court against pressure defenses. But he was a great ballplayer...durable, an established star. Give RUNY the same chance.
Back in for the next go around. Did you see the season opener tonight.'Indiana Pacers led by Sarunas Y----------
in defeating Charlotte Hornets as Al Harrington struggles'. Hope it's not the norm for Al, but I'm sure happy for Sarunas. Didn't I tell you so.
Swift

United States

#36 Nov 1, 2006
Artest was a on and off court distraction. But when he left, so did their championship aspirations.
Cato

Cleveland, OH

#37 Nov 2, 2006
Jim - New Albany IN wrote:
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Mr. Horn - What have you been drinking, and in what quantity? Artest ran Artest out of town, and Larry had the chance to get something more for him and didn't. Just look past Larry Legend's playing ties with Hoosierland, and rate him on his Basketball Operations results. And please don't whine.
I really think he's been pretty good, though it's difficult to know, from this position, which moves are coming from Donnie Walsh and which moves are coming from Bird.

Bird did what he could with what he had--don't forget, when Bird took over, Artest was already on the roster. Artest gave the Pacers the best chance to win an NBA title, and especially given that the Pacers were having difficulty finding takers (for market value, at least), it made sense to try and ride out the storm with Artest and hope he matured some.

He didn't, but in damage control mode, I think the Pacers did a pretty good job by getting Harrington for Artest, in essence. Not great--but again, given the position that the Pacers were in, it was a darn good deal.

Also, as I've pointed out before, Danny Granger is looking like he will turn out to be an excellent player in the NBA, and he was a player drafted by Bird.

I think the Pacers current problems all stem to the Brawl, and I don't think you can lay that at the feet of Bird. The season before the Brawl, the Pacers had 61 wins, and up until the Brawl, the Pacers were playing extremely well--and actually managed to holds things together pretty well following the brawl.

I think Miller's retirement hurt the team more than it may appeared on paper, but again, I don't think that's Bird's fault. O'Neal's injury problems over the last several years have handicapped the Pacers, and again, this doesn't have anything to do with Bird. The fact is that if O'Neal would have remained healthy over the past couple of seasons, the Pacers would have had 50+ wins both years and no one would even mention anything about Bird.

The only think I've really found objectionable about Bird's tenure is his (and the team's) defense of Jackson. Jackson isn't the talent that Artest was, and, arguably, his actions have been less defensible. I would have liked to see the Pacers cut Jackson loose, but I'm willing to give Bird the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

So there you go--a rating of his basketball operations. I'd give him a B+, with a significant boost coming from the deal this summer that landed Harrington. Outside of that, he would have been in B-/C+ range.
jake kelley

Indianapolis, IN

#38 Nov 2, 2006
are u guys gonna give this team a chance???when will people understand what happens in there private lives should stay there and this 24 hour news coverage and idolizeing of players needs to stop. and if there is one sure thing on this team jackson will bring his game every night and leave his heart on the floor. thats what the game is about so get off his back. im sure we all have things we have done wrong we just dont have reporters following our every move.arnt u glad cause our moms would all hang there heads low at some of the thing we have done!!!!!
MDANTE

Palo Alto, CA

#39 Nov 16, 2006
I heard your fellow Indy Star writers said to be patient with this team, that the problem was not Tinsley and Jackson that I was going overboard saying J O’Neal is not the leader this team needs and wouldn’t be a fan until MAJOR changes happened. For a SPLIT SECOND I thought I was being too hard, but more than you think Pacer fans this team is one of the worst in team history. There I said it, someone had to. Forget NUMBERS that it seems your colleagues want to point out, I’m talking TEAM. We saw what happened in Portland with all that talent and then see a bunch of people nobody wanted in Detroit win because of team work. Yes Rasheed is on the team but it starts with a mature point guard (Billups) who can keep the team together and who for a second thinks Jamal is the answer? It starts with another player who can back him up in Detroit case (Hamilton), who for a second thinks Jackson is our answer? It starts with players who hustle like Chicago does win or loose, what do we have to do to get our players who make millions of dollars, while I’m sweating for chump change, motivated. I work my butt off at work EVERYDAY but I tell you what… if my boss pays me millions of dollars to do a job that is for 9 months I will be SUPERMAN in that bad boy. Forget all the talk about giving this team a chance, we fans pay the tickets. We’re not like writers who get in for free and can say be patient. Are the Pacers going to give us our money back for bad product? Where’s the money back guarantee? Until then if New Yorkers can boo after just ONE BAD PLAY I think Pacer fans can be forgiving for a few seasons of terrible play. I live in California and been a Pacer fan since the 80’s (only 32) but now while even the Clippers are coming back I have to watch Pacers shoot and play ball like they’re Stevie Wonder. So please tell all us Pacer fans why we should keep cheering for a product that is as washed up as Britney Spears singing career. I don’t want anymore talk about giving grown men second chances when they can’t even give us fans EFFORT. Until you and your fellow writers can come up with this solution and the Pacers keep playing like this I rather watch the AND ONE MIX TOUR… at least their entertaining.

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