PG Jameer Nelson's too-soon return ruining it for Magic

Full story: Orlando Sentinel

The morning after feels like one of those beer-bong binges in college where you wake up at the frat house with a throbbing headache, underwear on your head and cold pizza in your pants.
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Dave

Tampa, FL

#1 Jun 12, 2009
Uh, if Courtney Lee hits a layup in game 1? Didn't the Magic get blown out in game 1? I think you were referring to game 2.

Proofreading is a good thing!
Craig

Orlando, FL

#2 Jun 12, 2009
Game 1? I hope that's just a typo, if not, get your facts right Diaz, Game 2, ok 2, not 1.
vak

United States

#3 Jun 12, 2009
iam sitting and watching the game with my kids, and all had the same question througt the 4th quarter and over time, what is jameer nelson still doing in the floor, my 8 year old daughter figured it out stan van gundy didn't , what was he thinking?
we all love jameer , but this is alston show, and he truly earned it,
and dwight please, take sometime off your schedule to practice your freethrows, you had my son in tears after the game was lost.
Steve

United States

#4 Jun 12, 2009
I'm sorry but this is just painful to read. I'm a Laker fan and you guys had us by the nuts. Most people I know changed the channel when we were down by five. We got lucky... that's it.... lucky... My team did some pretty dumb things in game 3... and all the radio shows in LA got to talk about how much of an idiot Kobe is etc etc.... in game 4, one of Dwight's free throws could have easily dropped in and you'd be talking about how much of a genius Van Gundy is.... You guys have a great, young, spirited team that's only going to get better as Dwight and company continue to work hard to improve their games. I don't expect you guys to hold anything back in game 5.... and based on your track record... my Lakers have to be mighty careful because this favorable position that they find themselves in can change. Nothing is guaranteed in this game...
Dave Star

Clermont, FL

#5 Jun 12, 2009
Steve wrote:
I'm sorry but this is just painful to read. I'm a Laker fan and you guys had us by the nuts. Most people I know changed the channel when we were down by five. We got lucky... that's it.... lucky... My team did some pretty dumb things in game 3... and all the radio shows in LA got to talk about how much of an idiot Kobe is etc etc.... in game 4, one of Dwight's free throws could have easily dropped in and you'd be talking about how much of a genius Van Gundy is.... You guys have a great, young, spirited team that's only going to get better as Dwight and company continue to work hard to improve their games. I don't expect you guys to hold anything back in game 5.... and based on your track record... my Lakers have to be mighty careful because this favorable position that they find themselves in can change. Nothing is guaranteed in this game...
You are right, and I feel the same way about nothing being guaranteed. But reality is that the Magic are 1-3 to the Lakers. And unless Van Gundy admits he made a mistake by allowing Nelson to play more than 1 minute in this series, we'll see the Magic lose this series, possibly in game 5. I believe in this Magic team, I do! But only if Nelson sits the next game and the rest of the series.
Danny Ocean

Kissimmee, FL

#6 Jun 12, 2009
Can you imagine Marino, Montana or Elway playing in their first Super Bowl after missing seven regular games and all of the playoff games because of an injury. Using the SuperBowl as a tuneup game? After the back up QB has helped the team get to the SuperBowl? I like SVG, but nobody gives away a National title, unless you have money riding on the other team........
Rob Maxwell

Daytona Beach, FL

#7 Jun 13, 2009
Steve---great post. It's so true that local media and mostly fans are so quick to get negative. I'm just so happy that the team has made this much progress in this short of time. I thought going into the season if we take our natural progression of winning one playoff series last year and two this year than we're making progress. We are ahead of schedule and won three series getting into the finals. The only way we can mess this up is to get negative and start getting down on our team (which some are) and give these guys a reason to want to leave. I remember back before Shaq left for LA the idiots at the Sentinel ran a story on how much money Shaq wanted and is he worth it. Well if you pose a question that way aren't you going to get the negative feedback you're looking for? And they did. All of the NBA stars were in Orlando that weekend and they were reading to Shaq how his own hometeam doesn't want him. He later stated how that did impact his decesion to leave. And---he won championships in LA and we're just now recovering. Dwight stated at one point that the only reason he'd leave Orlando is if the fans acted like they didn't want him. So fans----get a clue. We have a great young team and we don't need any negativity around this team. Isn't this way better than "heart and hustle" era? Get behind this team. It takes a Laker fan to point this out? Have fun and support them. Just before the meltdown in Game 4, the announcers were talking about how Jameer was making great passes and now they see why he's in there. So as pointed out if Lee hits a layup in game 2 and DH makes 1 freethrow we're up 3-1. What does that have to do with Nelson? Support----Stan knows more about coaching than you,I, or Diaz guy will ever know.
Jon

Orlando, FL

#8 Jun 13, 2009
Its not Otis or Van Gundy's fault this is plain and simple ownership. the same ownership which had a hockey guy running the team, the same ownership that after Otis said Jameer would not play but ownership stated Jameer should play. THIS JAMEER IS ALL ON OWNERSHIP!!
Sad

Altamonte Springs, FL

#9 Jun 13, 2009
One layup in game two, one free throw in game 4 and Orlando is up 3-1.
Sammy

Toronto, Canada

#10 Jun 13, 2009
Dave Star wrote:
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You are right, and I feel the same way about nothing being guaranteed. But reality is that the Magic are 1-3 to the Lakers. And unless Van Gundy admits he made a mistake by allowing Nelson to play more than 1 minute in this series, we'll see the Magic lose this series, possibly in game 5. I believe in this Magic team, I do! But only if Nelson sits the next game and the rest of the series.
Tough coming back 1-3 and knowing that you may have to go back to La..good luck
Rob Maxwell

Daytona Beach, FL

#11 Jun 13, 2009
That's true. Jon. Thank God for our ownership. An ownership group that paid a luxary tax to get us high profile free agents like Lewis, and Turk, so we can go out and compete in the NBA finals. Out of all the teams and their fans wishing for just the playoffs, here we are. To think---it wasn't that long ago that we had the worst record in the NBA. Thanks Ownership. Jon is right---you've built us one hell of a team and we fans in Orlando (the real fans who have been with you since day one), thank you!
Rob Maxwell

Daytona Beach, FL

#12 Jun 13, 2009
Hey Danny----I understand your point. But the 72 Dolphins (who were unbeaten) played most of the season with Earl Morral at QB. Griese came back to play in the playoffs and superbowl. When asked Shula--he stated he needed his best player at each position to play. Vangundy said the same thing. Jameer was an all star this year. Let's not forget that when he got hurt most of us thought our season was over. It's not Jameer in the finals that is hurting us. Again---we missed one layup and one free throw. We're young and the Lakers are GOOD, and EXPERIENCED. They have not missed the layups or foul shots. NO biggie---we're not done and we will be back.

“Hey topix”

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roaming ny

#13 Jun 13, 2009
Is anyone hoping that he chokes on his mouth piece as much as me? It's just annoying.
Sammy

Toronto, Canada

#14 Jun 13, 2009
Rob Maxwell wrote:
That's true. Jon. Thank God for our ownership. An ownership group that paid a luxary tax to get us high profile free agents like Lewis, and Turk, so we can go out and compete in the NBA finals. Out of all the teams and their fans wishing for just the playoffs, here we are. To think---it wasn't that long ago that we had the worst record in the NBA. Thanks Ownership. Jon is right---you've built us one hell of a team and we fans in Orlando (the real fans who have been with you since day one), thank you!
Aren't the Magic owned by a pyramid scheming soap salesman?
jappy

Toronto, Canada

#15 Jun 13, 2009
Rob Maxwell wrote:
That's true. Jon. Thank God for our ownership. An ownership group that paid a luxary tax to get us high profile free agents like Lewis, and Turk, so we can go out and compete in the NBA finals. Out of all the teams and their fans wishing for just the playoffs, here we are. To think---it wasn't that long ago that we had the worst record in the NBA. Thanks Ownership. Jon is right---you've built us one hell of a team and we fans in Orlando (the real fans who have been with you since day one), thank you!
Turk? Hes on his way out. Magic can't afford is fee.
el_mago717

Orlando, FL

#16 Jun 13, 2009
Anthony Johnson has been solid. He was solid in Boston and Cleveland series. Whenever teams was having off night shooting AJ would come in and hit shots. Coach and management pushed Jameer back too soon. He is the 2nd best player on the Magic but he was not ready. It would have been just fine for Nelson's phsyche to have him in uniform on the bench instead of a suit. Otis and Stan have to live with this one.
lakermadness

Delphos, OH

#17 Jun 13, 2009
The bounce hre and shot there scenerio works in the Cleveland series also. If West hits the game one corner three, if West recovers the game four long rebound, there is no game six and the Cavaliers win the series 4-1. Instead, everyone acts like Cleveland was dominated. The Cavaliers blew leads in three games of 16 or more points. It's a make or miss league. In the Cleveland series you Dwight, Lewis, Turkulu and Petries happen to make them. In this series they aren't. There's a fine line between the top three teams. In the end, the Lakers will be crowned champions.
lakermadness

Delphos, OH

#18 Jun 13, 2009
The columnists in this paper really hang people out to dry. Basketball is a fast action game. 20-20 rarely works.
Magic Man

San Antonio, TX

#19 Jun 13, 2009
I don't understand all of the talk about Jameer and Rafer...it's completely off base. The NBA is a make or miss league. We missed 12 ft's in game 2 with like 13 turnovers I think...and missed a very tough layup at the end of regulation. And we missed 15 ft's and had 20 turns in game 4. These stats have nothing to do with Jameer/Rafer. I honestly feel, besides game 1, we've completely outplayed LA, but only on the physical part of the game. But they have outperformed us in the mental aspect. And like most all sports at this high a level, it's mostly mental. I don't feel that this series is a forgone conclusion at all. We know when we play intelligent basketball, offensively and defensively, we can beat LA on a consistent basis.
Looking For Magic

Ventura, CA

#20 Jun 13, 2009
C'mon Mr Sad, your statement: "One layup in game two, one free throw in game 4 and Orlando is up 3-1" is silly. How many plays over the course of the game did the Lakers just miss?

This was a great series. Very close, but the Lakers handled the pressure at money time. The mental part of the game is what distinguishes a champion from great athletes, period.

Orlando shot, count 'em, 17, thats right 17 free throws in game four in the fourth quarter.

Lakers? Zero, no that is not a typo, ZERO free throws. Do you think that Orlando was not given a huge home court advantage by the refs?

They did everything they could to give the Magic a chance to tie the series, and still, the Lakers overcame that big mental hurdle as well.

The Lakers are Champions. Pure and simple.

Orlando has a great core, but it remains to be seen if they can stay together and build on this experience.

The Lakers are the model for building a contender every few years. That is also a mental part of the game.

Good luck keeping Howard for a career in the Big O.

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