Thank you Billy for changing your mind

Thank you Billy for changing your mind

There are 38 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Mar 15, 2009, titled Thank you Billy for changing your mind. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Stan Van Gundy won his 101st game with the Magic Sunday night. About 120 miles away, Billy Donovan was waiting for a phone call from the NIT.

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Wondering

Denver, CO

#21 Mar 16, 2009
"Dude...he won two titles in a row. Who cares if he mortgaged the next two years to do it! Are you insane? Would you rather have two titles or 4 seasons in the sweet 16?"

Wonder how many years of mediocrity Billy D has before the talk starts about replacing him? If this was a 1st level sport (like football) it would not be many. How long do you think Urban will last if they donít consistently play in the SEC championship game and then follow up with national titles? It did not take long for the football faithful to get rid of Zook. Since bball is a 2nd level sport Billy D has more time than Urban will get.
Tiffany

New York, NY

#22 Mar 16, 2009
stan van gundy is a beast,and his brother has baggs under his eyes for days
Dave

Gowanda, NY

#23 Mar 16, 2009
When the Magic win back to back NBA championships, get back with me. The truth of the matter is Billy is a college coach and I think at the very end (and a little beyond), he realized that. I think he realized too, that the bar he set at Florida was very high and might have been a big factor in him even considering the Magic job in the first place. He and his team will be back in the dance soon enough. As for the back to back National Champ team coming back and leaving the cupboard slim for a couple of years, I'll take that tradeoff any day!!
Tony

Gainesville, FL

#24 Mar 16, 2009
FSU basketball hasn't made the NCAA tourney since 1997... They made the tourney this year and Florida is in the NIT for a 2nd year in a row (clearly rebounding from losing 6 NBA players in the past 2 years alone)... Billy has produced 3 straight top 3 recruiting classes in the country. (07,08 and now 09)... Florida will b back, but if there is ever time to say something negative about Donovan my advice is to do it now because big time success is right around the corner..(again)
DPack

Sarasota, FL

#25 Mar 16, 2009
Silly Rabbit wrote:
Billy Donovan mortgaged the future of UF basketball when the starters returned for another title run. While it's not Donovan's fault that he had a core group of guys together for 2 title runs, it is his fault for not cultivating replacements and building depth, which is why the Gators are going to the NIT for the 2nd year in a row. If you think UF will be right back in the hunt next year, then I suggest you take a look at the roster and see what the team will look like next year. They'll be in the NIT again next year (3rd time in a row)...mark my words.
While I am not a gator I do follow college bb. You have no clue. Donovan 3 years running now has landed three years running top 5 recruiting classes along the way. The Soph group of Calathes, Parsons, Allen and Tyus. The current Frosh group of Kadji, Vargas, Walker and Chaney and next years group of Boynton, Painter and Murphy. The type of leadership that a team needs to develop needs time to take hold and it was taking shape this year with further development of Calathes and Walker in the backcourt. With the overall development of Kadji (6/10), Vargas (6/10) and newcomers Painter and Murphy both around 6/10 moving Warner and Parsons to their natural wing positions and the addition of Boynton a true off guard the Gators may be more than capable to make a serious run not only in the SEC but nationally next year. Losing the nucleus that was the two championship years teams and BD's decision to potentially be courted to the NBA put recruiting back one year. I would say that the staff has done a tremendous job restocking the cupboard. The difference is these Gators were thrust into leadership roles before they were without question ready, something that Brewer/Horford/Noah and those of the championship teams were not. That in itself in major college basketball is a learning curve that every coach wants natural not literally baptism by fire. And by the way during this baptism the Gators have won 20 plus each year and while not making the NCAA tourney without question is disheartening these gators will certainly before its over have their day on the national scene. BOOK IT!
Procurator

Orlando, FL

#26 Mar 16, 2009
From 32801 wrote:
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Kansas lost EVERYONE from their title team last year. And guess what gaytor fans....they won their conference and got a 3 seed in the Tourney.
That is how a real program responds. UF had 2 good years and will never be heard from again. Ever.
Was this the same team Baylor beat March 12 71 to 64 ?
DCL

United States

#27 Mar 16, 2009
Donovan made himself look look like a jerk when he backed out. No maturity.
Billy.....Boy
Stan......The Man!
If our young team can learn a little passion from Stan, we are in for a contender for a long time to come.
Delusionole

Summerfield, FL

#28 Mar 17, 2009
Whitley, did you get this idea from Adelson? Talk about falling....
you guys are dum

Tampa, FL

#29 Mar 17, 2009
DCL wrote:
Donovan made himself look look like a jerk when he backed out. No maturity.
Billy.....Boy
Stan......The Man!
If our young team can learn a little passion from Stan, we are in for a contender for a long time to come.
You have a seriously skewed view of maturity. I feel bad for any kids that you may have.

I think it was the ultimate show of maturity for him to have taken the big money and glory of the NBA and then be MAN ENOUGH to realize that he made a rash decision and it wasn't the right decision for him or his family.

I suppose in your wacky world he should have just taken the huge paycheck, cruise through the NBA a few years and then come back to College after he flamed out?

Billy D. was a man. He admitted a mistake and corrected it before it was too late. Something that is apparently lost on you.
you guys are dum

Tampa, FL

#30 Mar 17, 2009
I would like for sombebody on this board to list the active coaches that have been to THREE National Title games.

Then list the active coaches that have won TWO national titles.
Jimmy

Des Moines, IA

#31 Mar 17, 2009
BillyD is WAY overrated. So glad he backed out and we got a GEM of a coach in Van Gundy. GO MAGIC!
DPack

Sarasota, FL

#32 Mar 17, 2009
you guys are dum wrote:
I would like for sombebody on this board to list the active coaches that have been to THREE National Title games.
Then list the active coaches that have won TWO national titles.
Only two others in the modern age (since tourney expansion to 64 teams. Coach K of Duke and J. Calhoun of UConn, outside of Donovan. Izzo of Mich St. Pitino during his reign at UK and Roy Williams at both Kansas and UNC but only one win. Pitino has the opportunity to be the first to guide two different schools to a national title if Louisville this year as tourney #1 seed cuts down nets. Does that answer your question. By the way other than those only multiple winners are Knight, Wooden, Smith,Rupp, Ed Jucker (Cincinnati early 60's w/o the big O) and San Francisco's Phil Woolpert in 55/56 but of course he had Russell!
DPack

Sarasota, FL

#33 Mar 17, 2009
Jimmy wrote:
BillyD is WAY overrated. So glad he backed out and we got a GEM of a coach in Van Gundy. GO MAGIC!
Magic have yet to win anything but weak division title. They have not been in the Finals, yet! Comparing Donovan to SVG is apple to oranges as neither has won anything to my knowledge on the NBA level where comparison is valid. However BD has won on the collegiate level like very few others in the modern age of the NCAA tourney. It remains to be seen whether SVG can mirror that type of success from his NBA franchise Magic. However I wish him well in the quest!
Silly Rabbit

Orlando, FL

#34 Mar 17, 2009
you guys are dum wrote:
I would like for sombebody on this board to list the active coaches that have been to THREE National Title games.
Then list the active coaches that have won TWO national titles.
Right, and only one guy followed it up with two straight trips to the NIT.
you guys are dum

Lakeland, FL

#35 Mar 18, 2009
Silly Rabbit wrote:
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Right, and only one guy followed it up with two straight trips to the NIT.
Silly Rabbit...leave the intelligent conversations to the adults....

You've already lost this one...big time..
DPack

Sarasota, FL

#36 Mar 18, 2009
Silly Rabbit wrote:
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Right, and only one guy followed it up with two straight trips to the NIT.
Better check your history of the NIT, the only silly rabbit here is you! Recently, Maryland after winning the title in 02 has failed to make the tourney and subsequently competed in NIT. In the era of modern tourney history with players able to leave early this has become the norm more than you would obviously understand. In some cases the multiple defections such as Florida, Ohio State and UNC have had in recent years have set back the program for a year or two. In other cases a single player affects the following years program such as Durrant at Texas or Beasley at Kansas State. The fact is that even Florida prior to winning it's second NCAA crown was not the prohibitive favorite going into the tournament that year and while highly regarded many during the second year did not think they would win it.
Silly Rabbit

Orlando, FL

#37 Mar 18, 2009
DPack wrote:
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Better check your history of the NIT, the only silly rabbit here is you! Recently, Maryland after winning the title in 02 has failed to make the tourney and subsequently competed in NIT. In the era of modern tourney history with players able to leave early this has become the norm more than you would obviously understand. In some cases the multiple defections such as Florida, Ohio State and UNC have had in recent years have set back the program for a year or two. In other cases a single player affects the following years program such as Durrant at Texas or Beasley at Kansas State. The fact is that even Florida prior to winning it's second NCAA crown was not the prohibitive favorite going into the tournament that year and while highly regarded many during the second year did not think they would win it.
You need to read the wording a bit closer. Only once has a team won back to back titles and followed that up with two straight trips to the NIT. UF and Billy Donovan hold that dubious distinction. We're not talking about teams that won the title and then played in the NIT the following year. We're talking about teams that won back to back titles followed up by back to back NIT appearances. Again, read the wording a bit closer.
DPack

Sarasota, FL

#38 Mar 22, 2009
Silly Rabbit wrote:
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You need to read the wording a bit closer. Only once has a team won back to back titles and followed that up with two straight trips to the NIT. UF and Billy Donovan hold that dubious distinction. We're not talking about teams that won the title and then played in the NIT the following year. We're talking about teams that won back to back titles followed up by back to back NIT appearances. Again, read the wording a bit closer.
Your argument is for the most part moot. Maryland, Michigan State, Florida have all won the national title and the following year or two have been left out of the NCAA tourney and selected to continue their season in the NIT. What difference does it make whether it was one title or two as in BD's case. The fact is that winning the NCAA title is for most a once in the lifetime achievement in the coaching profession. By all measurable standards BD in the modern age of the 65 team NCAA tournament is one of the top 5 coaches. Along with Izzo, Coach K, Jim Calhoun and Williams. While you might focus on the mundane that UF has played two successive years in the NIT and for your simple argument that no coach has won successive NCAA crowns and then been left out two years in a row, there have only been a handful of coaches in college basketball history that have ever won back to back in the first place. Given that figure outside of Wooden and Jucker in the 65 field only two in the modern age are Donovan and Coach K. Pretty rarified air to be in!

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