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Boston Celtics defense gives Orlando Magic a reality check

There are 218 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Jan 22, 2009, titled Boston Celtics defense gives Orlando Magic a reality check. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Orlando Magic all-star center Dwight Howard does this goofy thing when he grabs the ball while under the basket during the other team's free-throw attempts.

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Manny San Miguel

United States

#202 Jan 23, 2009
After yesterdays humbling 90-80 loss to the Boston Celtics (our second straight to them) its time to reassess our new Orlando Magic.

It is proven: Good teams can beat great teams for a championship. They just need one thing: A great go-to-guy. The Willis Reed, Magic Johnson, and Isaiah Thomas of the past have given way to the Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryan, and LeBron James of today.

We would like to believe that our Dwight Howard walks among these greats. Not just yet... Alas, Howard is NOT our go-to-guy, not by a long shot. At least not yet. And Im not sure if he will ever reach that level of constant dependability, day in and day out. Right now Turkoglu is better at this¦ in a very limited way. Why, we cant even trust Howard to make a 4-foot shot¦ heck, not even a seemingly easy backboard lay-up! And then there is this little thing about his constant joking (even in really serious situations) and his free throws... I wont go there.

During the Magic-Celtics game, Tom Povtak of the NBA reported the following incident:

A minute before the start of the second half -- with his team trailing by eight -- Howard was clowning on the sideline with a television cameraman while his team was warming up. He playfully greeted Celtics assistant coach Clifford Ray, inspecting and critiquing the tie he was wearing. Although he was didn't seem too concerned, it was obvious by halftime that the Celtics had the upper hand in this match up. The Celtics already had beaten the Magic earlier in Boston, but this one was more impressive. They had won the night before in Miami, while the Magic had rested.

I dont want to beat on our hero (heck, my two daughters love the guy too!). It was not his fault we shot a pitiful seven of 22 from beyond the ark, after leading the league in 3-point percentage (40.3 percent) and 3-pointers made (430). It seemed that NO ONE could hit a shot... ANY shot! And we could not make a stop either, for all the money... man!

Certain things are clear: Lets stop this no-deal/dont break-the-team chemistry crap! We need to get a big, strong forward, someone who can hustle 8-10 rebounds per game and score 15-17 points per game to complement Howard. Lewis tried (10 rebs) in the first 5 minutes of the game, but couldnt sustain it; hes not built for it...

To obtain this guy, we should be willing to trade ANY two players, with the exception of Lewis, Nelson, Gortat (yes, he IS a future all-star, believe it!), Lee (another future all-star), and of course Howard. This includes Turkoglu, especially Turkoglu, whose contract expires NOW and is demanding big money, the money we need for the big Forward! For all of his versatility (oh yea, hes all of that), he leads in turnovers and cannot be counted to help BIG TIME on the rebound department. His weak-forward position truly belongs to Lewis. NOW is the time to trade him, to get SOMETHING for him before we lose him for free!

See; if we dont invest on our future big time NOW, Im afraid we could witness Howards prime come and go, and sadly become one of those NBA greats who never won a championship. If you dont believe me, just meditate on what has happened to Nowinski and Nash and their teams, once almost perennial title contenders and now slowly fading away, their Championship hopes fading with each passing year.

We dont want that for our Howard and our Magic. Its time for bold, aggressive action! We have to get that one final piece for our team.

Also, Howard needs to work hard, REALLY HARD to develop a reliable 12 to 15-feet jump shot¦ from BOTH sides, aka Olajuwan, Duncan, Garnet, et al. He also needs to raise his free throws % to 65%... not too much to ask... and time is running out. Only then he really becomes our go-to-man! And we become THE TEAM to beat!
rob

United States

#203 Jan 23, 2009
howard acts like a child. when he grows up we might be able to contend for a championship. go magic
Art

Saint Petersburg, FL

#204 Jan 23, 2009
One week vacation break gave Orlando Magic players "Cold Shooting" . Too many missed shots indicated that they did not practice much. Against Boston? No practice, no way!
Jim

Eddyville, KY

#205 Jan 23, 2009
Folks the Magic are a great regular season team. But I am afraid they are nothing more than a mediocre playoff team at best.

The only way the Magic advance to round two or beyond is if they get lucky and happen to play a patsy like Toronto from last year. Basically that was just an extension of the regular season.

But once the Magic faced the Pistons, it was all over...as I happened to predict correctly by the way. I said they would be done in 5 games...and I even got it right in saying it would be Detroit winning the first 2 at home, then the Magic would win game 3 in Orlando, lose game 4 in Orlando, then go back to Detroit and lose game 5.

And why did the Magic lose to Detroit ? Simple. Detroit is just too tough for them. The physical, half court, slow it down bs, turns the Magic into an ordinary and somewhat poor team.

The same thing will happen if they face Boston. They might be lucky to win one game. But that series would be over in 5 at the most.

The Magic NEED a tough inside presence who can rebound, block some shots, and score some points. This will be a great complement to Howard. It will take some of the defensive pressure off of him.
Jim

Eddyville, KY

#206 Jan 23, 2009
Also Howard has to become the man. He must command the ball and go to work and get it done. He has to become tougher and develop a little bit of a mean streak. Look at KG. Garnett is not built as big as Howard and yet he is like a pit bull out there.

The Magic wonder why they can't win these half court type games. Well once their shooters are held in check that forces them to rely on Howard as the go to guy. He needs to take the ball to the hole with more force and aggression.

Folks sometimes it is necessary to use a little force. It is amazing what an elbow to the face will do to make an opponent change his mind about getting a little too close for comfort.

Once again I am not calling upon Dwight to become a dirty or a nasty player. Just be a little more tough out there.

That is why, and maybe I am a little old school here, that is why I feel it is best not to converse with the opponent.

When I played in highschool( basketball, football, baseball) I never talked to the opponent. It makes it easier in case you have to knock him on his buttocks, or hit him in the back with a fastball for peeking down at the signs from the catcher.

So if Dwight wants to be a leader and a great player he needs to leave the theatrics to Stuff and the Magic Dancers.

It's ok to fool around with your own teammates, either before or after a game. But once that whistle blows all of your focus has to be on winning that particular game.
just me

Clearwater, FL

#207 Jan 23, 2009
I don't name call.

people who are posting as if the magic's season is over after one loss needs a reality check themselves. yes our team didn't play there best game tonight but i would really be concerned if this was the Thunder that came in our house and shut us down. we are talking about the the number one defense in the nba. that's why we play these games guys. we play so we can evaluate for the post season. we needed a team to beat us. don't get me wrong,(i'm not a so called magic fan who comes on here to post that my team is gonna loose then relish when they do when my predictions been wrong all year), but this is when we will really see what our team is made of. are we gonna dust ourselves off and learn from this? because that what good team does. look at the team that just beat us. they went through a stretch loosing 7 of 9. did that all of the sudden make them a bad team with no "back bone"? magic fans stand up and be magic fans and stop blasting your team after one loss.
Jaxfann

Jacksonville, FL

#208 Jan 23, 2009
Jim wrote:
Also Howard has to become the man. He must command the ball and go to work and get it done. He has to become tougher and develop a little bit of a mean streak. Look at KG. Garnett is not built as big as Howard and yet he is like a pit bull out there.
The Magic wonder why they can't win these half court type games. Well once their shooters are held in check that forces them to rely on Howard as the go to guy. He needs to take the ball to the hole with more force and aggression.
Folks sometimes it is necessary to use a little force. It is amazing what an elbow to the face will do to make an opponent change his mind about getting a little too close for comfort.
Once again I am not calling upon Dwight to become a dirty or a nasty player. Just be a little more tough out there.
That is why, and maybe I am a little old school here, that is why I feel it is best not to converse with the opponent.
When I played in highschool( basketball, football, baseball) I never talked to the opponent. It makes it easier in case you have to knock him on his buttocks, or hit him in the back with a fastball for peeking down at the signs from the catcher.
So if Dwight wants to be a leader and a great player he needs to leave the theatrics to Stuff and the Magic Dancers.
It's ok to fool around with your own teammates, either before or after a game. But once that whistle **** all of your focus has to be on winning that particular game.
A little "wordy" but I agree - we see the same thing with Howard and we see how he can be and needs to be even better especially if we entertain thoughts of winning the big one this year!!
Jaxfann

Jacksonville, FL

#209 Jan 23, 2009
Manny said....

"Certain things are clear: Lets stop this no-deal/dont break-the-team chemistry crap! We need to get a big, strong forward, someone who can hustle 8-10 rebounds per game and score 15-17 points per game to complement Howard. Lewis tried (10 rebs) in the first 5 minutes of the game, but couldnt sustain it; hes not built for it...

To obtain this guy, we should be willing to trade ANY two players, with the exception of Lewis, Nelson, Gortat (yes, he IS a future all-star, believe it!), Lee (another future all-star), and of course Howard. This includes Turkoglu, especially Turkoglu, whose contract expires NOW and is demanding big money, the money we need for the big Forward! For all of his versatility (oh yea, hes all of that), he leads in turnovers and cannot be counted to help BIG TIME on the rebound department. His weak-forward position truly belongs to Lewis. NOW is the time to trade him, to get SOMETHING for him before we lose him for free!"

Totally agree - couldn't say it better!!
Bob Loblaw

Orlando, FL

#210 Jan 23, 2009
Easy everyoone. The magic are one of 4 teams that can win a championship in my mind. They have as good of odds as the other 4. Did you see Det get hanled by Dallas? There are 4 contenders in the NBA and the magic are 1 of them. No team in the nba will beat boston every night. That doesnt mean they cant beat them 4 of 7. After tomorrows beating of Miami, everyone will be back on the wagon.
Gustav

Clearwater, FL

#211 Jan 23, 2009
My message to Dwight Howard: Never call yourself Superman when you are being bounced around by Perkins and Davis. And pretty PLEASE stop those pre-game and in-game theatrics especially the looking-at-your-hand old antic after you make a shot. WTF??? You should be doing that when you hit 30+, 40+, or 50+ but not when you only have 11 points for cryin' out loud!
Jim

West Monroe, LA

#212 Jan 23, 2009
Bob Loblaw wrote:
Easy everyoone. The magic are one of 4 teams that can win a championship in my mind. They have as good of odds as the other 4. Did you see Det get hanled by Dallas? There are 4 contenders in the NBA and the magic are 1 of them. No team in the nba will beat boston every night. That doesnt mean they cant beat them 4 of 7. After tomorrows beating of Miami, everyone will be back on the wagon.
Bob I hate to tell you this, but the Magic WILL LOSE to the Miami Heat tomorrow night in Miami. You heard it here first folks.
Jim

West Monroe, LA

#213 Jan 23, 2009
Dwayne Wade will have a big night as will some of his supporting cast.

In fact the Magic could be in line for their first 3 or 4 game losing streak of the season folks.

Once again you heard it here first.
JOSER

Granada Hills, CA

#214 Jan 24, 2009
Jaxfann wrote:
The Magic have done so much this season we can't be too hard on them BUT this game was embarrassing - out coached - out played - out hustled!!!
Howard still needs to grow up - what's with the "blowing on his hand" as he runs down the court after making a couple of out side shots in the first quarter - just like a 10 yr old kid!! He didn't make another shot until the 4th quarter I think.
Let this be a wakeup call for the Cav's game next week.
HOWARD IS AN ALL STAR REGARDLESS! it was a bad evening that's all..from a LAKERS fan perspective..I get mad at kobe time to time but keeping in mind that I will never be at his level..on the court that is.
Sixx

West Monroe, LA

#215 Jan 24, 2009
Jaxfann wrote:
Manny said....
"Certain things are clear: Lets stop this no-deal/dont break-the-team chemistry crap! We need to get a big, strong forward, someone who can hustle 8-10 rebounds per game and score 15-17 points per game to complement Howard. Lewis tried (10 rebs) in the first 5 minutes of the game, but couldnt sustain it; hes not built for it...
To obtain this guy, we should be willing to trade ANY two players, with the exception of Lewis, Nelson, Gortat (yes, he IS a future all-star, believe it!), Lee (another future all-star), and of course Howard. This includes Turkoglu, especially Turkoglu, whose contract expires NOW and is demanding big money, the money we need for the big Forward! For all of his versatility (oh yea, hes all of that), he leads in turnovers and cannot be counted to help BIG TIME on the rebound department. His weak-forward position truly belongs to Lewis. NOW is the time to trade him, to get SOMETHING for him before we lose him for free!"
Totally agree - couldn't say it better!!
Does anyone think that was the Celtics best game???

The Magic need the ability to get big and physical when we play against teams like this. This is no new revelation.

This was only one game and the Magic are still a very, very good team. There will be many more wins to come before the playoffs, but if you think the Magic will be able to contend with the likes of Boston, Cleveland, or Detroit in a playoff series you are mistaken.

I have been preaching it for over a year, get a big. Our guards are more than adequate. Rashard will benefit and so will DH.

Oh and yeah, Dwight..stop the hand staring bit.

Lastly, Mitchell...all the haters are gone. Please come back.=D
GO MAGIC!
Michael in Ocoee

Scottsmoor, FL

#216 Jan 24, 2009
Jaxfann wrote:
Manny said....
"Certain things are clear: Lets stop this no-deal/dont break-the-team chemistry crap! We need to get a big, strong forward, someone who can hustle 8-10 rebounds per game and score 15-17 points per game to complement Howard. Lewis tried (10 rebs) in the first 5 minutes of the game, but couldnt sustain it; hes not built for it...
To obtain this guy, we should be willing to trade ANY two players, with the exception of Lewis, Nelson, Gortat (yes, he IS a future all-star, believe it!), Lee (another future all-star), and of course Howard. This includes Turkoglu, especially Turkoglu, whose contract expires NOW and is demanding big money, the money we need for the big Forward! For all of his versatility (oh yea, hes all of that), he leads in turnovers and cannot be counted to help BIG TIME on the rebound department. His weak-forward position truly belongs to Lewis. NOW is the time to trade him, to get SOMETHING for him before we lose him for free!"
Totally agree - couldn't say it better!!
I totally disagree. Trading Turk would be disasterous which is why it is not going to happen. It could be argued that Turk is the best ball handler on the team. You drop Lewis to the 3, then you'd need a strong 2 that could also handle the ball...which we do not have.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#217 Jan 24, 2009
Sixx wrote:
<quoted text>
Does anyone think that was the Celtics best game???
The Magic need the ability to get big and physical when we play against teams like this. This is no new revelation.
This was only one game and the Magic are still a very, very good team. There will be many more wins to come before the playoffs, but if you think the Magic will be able to contend with the likes of Boston, Cleveland, or Detroit in a playoff series you are mistaken.
I have been preaching it for over a year, get a big. Our guards are more than adequate. Rashard will benefit and so will DH.
Oh and yeah, Dwight..stop the hand staring bit.
Lastly, Mitchell...all the haters are gone. Please come back.=D
GO MAGIC!
This was certainly not theCeltics best game. It was an ugly gamewith no flow on either side.
ddddd

Ames, IA

#218 Jan 24, 2009
Sixx- theres no way that this was the celtics best game.
Thats what championship level teams can do when they put their minds to it. They take the worst of games, grind it out on defense and put together about 10-15 minutes of solid play on both ends mixed with a bunch of crap and come out on top due to their energy and especially defense... Note I said defense!

As far as contending in the playoffs... The magic haven't proven anything yet. Neither have the new Pistons, or the Cavs. The only thing that has been proven so far is that the magic are better as a team on defense and that the team lives and dies on the 3 ball more than any other team.
This was not a playoff game, despite the talks by media folk and fans and a few players. Don't judge until June! Regular season games don't matter that much... hence the 94-95 rockets or that one knicks team that was an 8th seed that made the finals (I think that was back in 2000 but I would have to look it up to find the exact year).... Anyone can make the finals if they grind it out and Atlanta proved last year that even an 8th seed can give the champions a run for their money...
Go Magic!
mdt2315

New York, NY

#219 Jan 24, 2009
It was us being rusty and not prepared more than how Boston played D. Anyone who watched the game saw that. We had no energy and looked disinterested for some reason. It was very disappointing to watch.

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