O'Brien: Tinsley did nothing wrong

O'Brien: Tinsley did nothing wrong

There are 72 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Dec 11, 2007, titled O'Brien: Tinsley did nothing wrong. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Jim O'Brien took exception to the question. Asked Tuesday morning if it was difficult for the Indiana Pacers not to discipline Jamaal Tinsley after a vehicle he was riding in was fired upon early Sunday ...

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Southern Connection

New York, NY

#2 Dec 12, 2007
He may not have done anything wrong, but he sure made a stupid error in judgment, which is not the first stupid error in judgment he has made. We teach our children to not make the same mistake twice. He needs to wake up and function like the role model he is.

“Hoosier fan in Tarheel land”

Since: Oct 07

Zebulon, NC

#3 Dec 12, 2007
I really think that the issue of whether or not Tinsley did something "right or wrong" in this case is moot. The fundamental issue is, we as fans have an idea of the kind of team we want to have representing the Pacers and our community. Tinsley does not represent us in a manner consistent with that ideal. It really doesn't need to be a big nasty, emotional, mud-slinging thing, and it has absolutely nothing to do with race.....just look at the community's affection for Reggie Miller as proof of that....the issue is....we are paying customers. We have an ideal of what we want our product to look like. The Pacers need to modify the product to fit the needs of their customers, or they will lose customers.

Comments like O'Brien's just inflame the situation - more of the Larry Bird weasle appeasment talk, instead of what this community wants to hear (which is that the Pacers are committed to putting out a product that the community can be proud of). We don't want an Indiana version of the Trail Blazers or the Bengals....we want a team that exemplifies the virtues of Indiana basketball. Give us that, or watch us slowly melt away and spend our entertainment dollars elsewhere...
bing55

Deputy, IN

#4 Dec 12, 2007
DID NOTHING WRONG????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
If Jimboy can not see what was wrong with this, how can he see what other teams can do to the Pacers? Oh wait, HE CAN"T SEE THAT EITHER???
WOW, what a team, what a coach, what a GM, I am so proud of the Pa...
Was that another gun shot I just heard??
Maxx

Pineville, LA

#5 Dec 12, 2007
Why do the comments of O'Brien not surprise me.
This type of attitude is why the Pacers have turned off most of its fan base.
Its just gets old having to hear it over and over again.
Real old.
luke

Grand Rapids, MI

#7 Dec 12, 2007
I remember having a few cocktails at NETO'S with a few Pacers years ago. and going upstairs to the Eagles lounge and a few more around indy, Janes double overtime was one, If you ever wanted to buy Mr Buckner a drink you would find him and Mr
Walsh at the leagle beagle in the 90's.on one occasion at the old sports bar downtown 1/2 the Golden State Warriors showed up to whatch a mike tyson fight after the game. 3 or 4 of the colts were already their. They have a right to be out after hours too. not every ball player wants a private room upstairs or in the back, where they can hide and stay out of trouble.
Floridaguy

Milton, FL

#8 Dec 12, 2007
Until the NBA adopts a plan like the NFL has in place to deal with these isssues then it will continue to have it's hands tied in these situations.
Mike in NC, well said.
Kevin

Fort Wayne, IN

#9 Dec 12, 2007
If he had taken a bullet then he would have been in the wrong, right?
Indy Fan

Newington, CT

#10 Dec 12, 2007
Ha ha, the more the Pacers make statements like this one, the less credibility they have. Bird is running this once great franchise into the ground...
PaulBulldog

United States

#11 Dec 12, 2007
In the Club Rio incident there were drugs found in Tinsley's vehicle. One of his posse took the blame for that. In this incident one of his posse was picked up on an out of state warrant for drugs. Do you see a pattern yet? Also, Tinsley has had problems staying healthy throughout his whole career. Do you think repeatedly being out late, drinking and possibly using drugs has anything to do with that? Lastly, the coach and Larry Bird can say that Tinsley didn't do anything wrong all they want but dwindling attendance and dwindling fan interest may tell a different story. I used to attend a few games each year and watch quite a few games on TV or listen to them on the radio. It's been two years or more since I watched an entire Pacer game. Many other people I know say the same thing.

Worst of all, according to an article in the Star Tinsley is responsible for supporting and/or raising many of his siblings. He can't do that if he is dead, or out of a job. What kind of example is he setting for his siblings? Is the right to go "clubbing" really worth all he is risking?
jayt

Kaukauna, WI

#12 Dec 12, 2007
Note to Jim O'Brien:

Changing the Pacers' style of play, making it faster and more fun to watch, is all well and good. But this change is thoroughly trumped by the image that exists in the minds of most Hoosiers that the Pacers are a bunch of thugs.

The image of this team is entirely negative. Hoosiers want good ball, and athletes who not only execute the on-court system, but are good and decent human beings.

Having to split time between rooting for the team to win, while simultaneously rooting for various Pacers to also beat the current criminal charge(s) against them is no recipe for gaining, or even retaining, fans.

Clean up this mess!!
peyton

United States

#13 Dec 12, 2007
What a Joke.. He did nothing wrong? How about putting the citizens of Indianapolis in danger? The organization is lucky that a hotel guest wasn't outside during the shooting. God Forbid an innocent person was hurt or killed.

This entire organization is a mess, and it is very disappointing.

“Anti-Establishme nt”

Since: Nov 07

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Dec 12, 2007
bing55 wrote:
DID NOTHING WRONG????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
If Jimboy can not see what was wrong with this, how can he see what other teams can do to the Pacers? Oh wait, HE CAN"T SEE THAT EITHER???
WOW, what a team, what a coach, what a GM, I am so proud of the Pa...
Was that another gun shot I just heard??
Which law did Tinsley break again?
stop

United States

#15 Dec 12, 2007
There is more to this story and you can bet we won't hear about it...nothing wrong with hanging out with people who will chase down and fire upon someone who has broke the law putting innocent peoples life on jeopardy.....come on ,,, I am wondering if the police think its okay too...I haven"t heard any charges being filed upon a person who took the law into his own hands running the risk of shooting innocent bystanders such as most people who hang out at 3;00 in the morning.(Or do they assume that anyone who is out at this time is up to no good too and we shouuldn't worry about them.)
ha ha

Bringhurst, IN

#16 Dec 12, 2007
Ler-Legand has another "YES" man.

yes sir mr. bird......I will tell them exactly what you want me to......

if someone doesn't step in the Pacers will get so out of control that we may never have a viable team again.
Joe

Indianapolis, IN

#18 Dec 12, 2007
I will be the first to admit Tinsley appears to have done nothing wrong here but he has a history of being at the wrong place at the wrong time. He has been a distraction for the organization and he is just an average pro PG. He is not an All-Star so the Pacers should not be afraid to cut him loose so he can get a fresh start like Jackson.
Ray

AOL

#19 Dec 12, 2007
First of all how can anyone who was not out with Tinsley that night, say he done nothing wrong? I'm not saying he provoke the shooting, but we know his brother had a gun. Maybe his brother pulled the gun at the night club and made the other parties mad. This doesn't give anyone the right to follow and shoot, but let's not be so quick to say the Tinsley party did nothing wrong. Just another pro sports team trying to get something out of the press as fast as possible. My biggest concern is why is nothing happening to Tinsley's brother for shooting his gun on monument circle? Shouldn't he lose his license to carry a handgun for life and be fined? Is the message being sent that it's okay for everyone to shoot their gun in public places? At the time Tinsley brother shot his gun his life was not in danger. According to the story on the news. Shouldn't the Star News or the press of any kind be asking these same questions? Again are we saying it's okay as long as it is a sports figure? Should we not be sending a different message to our young sports fans?
Rhonda

Saint Petersburg, FL

#20 Dec 12, 2007
"He did nothing wrong"

If wrong=illegal, that is correct. Do professional athletes or others who are role models (ok, that could be all of us!) have a responsibility to behave to a higher standard? The Pacers apparently have no/few rules that govern off-court behavior. This is unusual for ANY workplace - at least any place that I have ever worked. Come on, Bird and O'Brien, have some expectations for behavior with some teeth in them!
TDRocks

Granger, IN

#21 Dec 12, 2007
Mike in NC wrote:
I really think that the issue of whether or not Tinsley did something "right or wrong" in this case is moot. The fundamental issue is, we as fans have an idea of the kind of team we want to have representing the Pacers and our community. Tinsley does not represent us in a manner consistent with that ideal. It really doesn't need to be a big nasty, emotional, mud-slinging thing, and it has absolutely nothing to do with race.....just look at the community's affection for Reggie Miller as proof of that....the issue is....we are paying customers. We have an ideal of what we want our product to look like. The Pacers need to modify the product to fit the needs of their customers, or they will lose customers.
Comments like O'Brien's just inflame the situation - more of the Larry Bird weasle appeasment talk, instead of what this community wants to hear (which is that the Pacers are committed to putting out a product that the community can be proud of). We don't want an Indiana version of the Trail Blazers or the Bengals....we want a team that exemplifies the virtues of Indiana basketball. Give us that, or watch us slowly melt away and spend our entertainment dollars elsewhere...
Good post! Don't know if a I agree 100%, but it's very good post. Someone who is articulate enough to complete a full sentence and even moreso, a complete thought. Are you sure you are in the right place?:)
Fans make a difference

AOL

#22 Dec 12, 2007
If you want to see changes, stop attending the Pacer games. It's time the people of Indpls took back this city. You want to send a messsage to the Pacer's organization? Stop showing support by attending the games. I would rather have a losing team in this city, consisting of decent men than a winning season with players who should be jail.
Truth

Madison, WI

#23 Dec 12, 2007
Tinsley's brother is the main problem. He goes around town introducing himself as Jamall's Tinsley brother before he even uses his own birth name. What I believe happened; He got some marijunia fronted to him, the dealer thinks he has money b/c of his brother Jamall. The dealer and his crew never get paid. The entourages run into each other at the Keysha Coles after party in the parking lot. The dealer and his crew want payment; Jamall refuses to pay them. They chase him down and shoot up his cars.

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