NBA Confidential: Grant Hill says Pho...

NBA Confidential: Grant Hill says Phoenix offers fresh start, b...

There are 24 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Oct 2, 2007, titled NBA Confidential: Grant Hill says Phoenix offers fresh start, b.... In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Grant Hill may have left Orlando, but he put his four midcourt season tickets at Amway Arena on an automatic renewal plan, making sure that if his playing career suddenly ends, he still has a good seat to watch ...

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dave

Portsmouth, VA

#1 Oct 2, 2007
its a shame that Cleveland doesn't do more in terms of trying to sign some talent to help Lebron. They've been blessed with an incredible situation and they aren't taking advantage of it. I'd love to see him leave for a better franchise with smart and aggressive management.
Greg

United States

#2 Oct 2, 2007
Let me start by saying, Grant Hill can soundly kiss my ass.

He left the Magic because he wanted to go the route of the many aging, ringless, veterans before him and try to latch on to a contending team with the hopes of getting a ring. Any of the complete and utter BS about not getting the opportunity to start (or even more ridiculously actually getting the opportunity to start in Phoenix) is a complete and total lie.

He left for the ring. He has no shame, no integrity, and I have zero respect for him.

There hasn't been a more storied contract/injury combination that has handicapped a professional sports teams than Grant Hill and the Orlando Magic.

What he did this offseason was unforgivable and a sad truth about professional sports. Honestly I think less of Brian and Tim for actually putting G. Hill's excuses to paper.

Greg
Jon

Orlando, FL

#3 Oct 2, 2007
Just BS and more damage control on Hill's part. Do you really believe him again?
voncracker

Cocoa, FL

#4 Oct 2, 2007
"Greg" said it all! Amen!

Since: Apr 07

United States

#5 Oct 2, 2007
Nicely put Greg.

I cannot belive that for years I defended Grant Hill, after many in Central Florida said he was a total waste.

The Magic went above and beyond what they should have to keep him. They salvaged his career, and what does this individual do? See ya, because I can't win a title here.

Congratulations Phoenix, he's your problem now.

“Once u go magic u never goback”

Since: Sep 07

Win or lose I love my magic

#6 Oct 2, 2007
I don't want to get into the reasons [why he left Orlando]," he said. "Let's just say, at the end of the day, both sides got what they wanted."

How the hell did we get what we wanted??? We could've traded his butt somewhere else last season for something decent.

I've always liked hill, in fact before he got hurt he was my favorite player growing up right after Jordan, but what he did to the magic to me is f*** up. I hope he doesn't break his ankle again, but I do hope the don't win the NBA
MAGIC FAN

Arlington Heights, IL

#7 Oct 2, 2007
come on guys, its a business....move on, lets not have a nother decade long grudge long with shaq
susan

Lakeland, FL

#8 Oct 2, 2007
arlington heights, illinois does not speak for true magic fans. i DARE grant hill or his talentless wife to show their face at an orlando game.
Matt

Largo, FL

#9 Oct 3, 2007
and what will you do when they show up Susan?
MAGIC FAN

Arlington Heights, IL

#10 Oct 3, 2007
susan wrote:
arlington heights, illinois does not speak for true magic fans. i DARE grant hill or his talentless wife to show their face at an orlando game.
i am from orlando smart guy and go to every single home game, ip address for some reason comes with that address...so seriously can we please not hold a grudge for a decade like shaq?!?!? its a business as much as it stings
Magic PR

North Chicago, IL

#11 Oct 3, 2007
I dont really know how can you hate someone for doing what is best for him. As if you had a better chance moving from one job to another and you wont take it because your current company is full of friends. Besides the players love to play, it is also their job, so they have any right to choose where they want to work. Move on people.

Since: Apr 07

United States

#12 Oct 3, 2007
Magic PR wrote:
I dont really know how can you hate someone for doing what is best for him. As if you had a better chance moving from one job to another and you wont take it because your current company is full of friends. Besides the players love to play, it is also their job, so they have any right to choose where they want to work. Move on people.
What was best for him was THE ORLANDO MAGIC keeping him on the roster year after year after operation, after operation, comeback, after comeback.

The franchise sacreficed for him FIRST. A franchise that could have made countless roster moves to replace him and move on, but decided instead to invest in a time, AND THE CHANCE that a healthy Grant Hill would help bring a championship to Orlando.

The Orlando Magic went ABOVE AND BEYOND what many NBA franchises would have done concerning Grant Hill. Orlando Magic fans who had the same hopes that the franchise did are bitterly dissapointed over his decision to not return when good personnel moves were made that he would have complemented.

What the Magic did was good for Grant Hill.
What Grant Hill did was good for Grant Hill.
So far the only winner in all of this is Grant Hill.

Fans invest their money, their emotion, and their civic pride in sports franchises. Franchises are NOTHING without the players who wear the uniform. Grant Hill turning his back on the franchise, and the fans that supported, defended, and WANTED him, is one of the coldest things I have ever seen a player pull off.

Orlando - good enough to live in, not good enough to play for. Thanks for the statement Grant. You're a prince!
Greg

United States

#13 Oct 3, 2007
The whole move on sentiment is such crap. The point of my post and much of what was said after that post had nothing to do with grudges or some epically lingering state of blame that we're looking for.

Grant Hill said that he moved on because he wasn't going to get the playing time (starting) opportunities from Orlando. He said that everyone got what they wanted out of it.

Based on that Grant Hill is full of crap! It's an utter and complete lie and a shameless tactic to try and save face.

If he wants to chase a better opportunity, fine. But the circumstances of his tenure with the Magic were a significant reason for this teams inability to improve while he was here.

He finally gets right and then walks away. Again fine.

But for those of you who would like to present the totally bogus line that, "you would move on for the better opportunity too." Yes, maybe I would, but I would also expect to not have the respect of the people I left behind; I would expect that me doing so would unquestionably burn bridges; and I would not go back and try to put a BS spin on it so that I might not come over as the arse-hat that I am because of it.

If he's not limping and on crutches when Pheonix plays Orlando he will be soundly boo'd and deservedly so. I look forward to it.

Greg
Greg

United States

#14 Oct 3, 2007
...and everything that I didn't say (and/or wish I had said) in my previous post was perfectly stated by MarkL5. Well said, sir. Couldn't agree more.
Illinois209

Staunton, IL

#15 Oct 3, 2007
OK Magic fans....so far we hate Shaq,Penny,T-Mac,G-Hill because they want to leave???Grow UP!! what's so great about that team so far???the coaches???the front ofice ??the wonderful fans??? Gimme a break!!!
Bill Fur

AOL

#16 Oct 3, 2007
Grant is washed up how could Phoenix waste the money and time, now they will never win a championship. Grant has NO leadership skills.
Greg

United States

#17 Oct 3, 2007
Illinois209,

If nothing else they should stick around for the superior use of proper grammar and punctuation used by their fans.

What's the point of writing a post if you've got nothing to say about what is actually being discussed? Or did I miss some sort of hidden message relayed through your extensive use of question marks?

Illinois209

Staunton, IL

#18 Oct 3, 2007
hey greg ,i'm sorry if i was a little bit exarcerbated .(look it up)now to the point,can you answer my questions? so far ,what is the contribution that The Orlando Magic has offered to the fans?And by the way ,i'll try to clean up my post,since is the only comment that you had about it.
Greg

United States

#19 Oct 3, 2007
...right. So you meant exacerbated as a opposed to exarcerbated (which may or may not be some form of web-based, forum specific, masturbation); though when I went to look up "exarcerbate" I could not find the word to confirm my suspicions.

Even more interesting is that your use of the word (mis-spelled though it might be) is also not used in correct context. Nicely done!

But I'm game for question despite this. The Magic have offered the fans a team that went from expansion to championship contention in short order. Then after a botched free agent handling with Shaq have hovered around average to mediocre for the last decade. Still, they haven't been as dreadful as say, Atlanta. Nor have they been the cheap, exploiting types like the Clippers. Even more the Magic have never been a team that has players frequenting jail or the headlines for their misconducts (though they did flirt with a fat Shawn Kemp) but have instead been one of the more prominently known teams for their excessive community service.

Interestingly enough (prepare yourself for a tie in to the actual point of this particular forum), arguably the single most relevant reason for their inability to become contenders again was the $13 to $17 million in cap spaced that was committed to the perenially injured Grant Hill.

Sure the coaching was questionable at times. There were without a doubt countless draft busts. And there were missed opportunities in free agency. But when 20% of your salary cap is tied up in a maxed out player who never plays there's only so much the rest can do.

When that very player finally gets healthy and then bolts the team for a bargain price to go play with another team...it sucks. When that player has the balls to come back and get quoted as saying he left because of playing time and a lack of interest shown by the Magic, he should be flogged.
gvr

Singapore, Singapore

#20 Oct 3, 2007
Bill Fur wrote:
Grant is washed up how could Phoenix waste the money and time, now they will never win a championship. Grant has NO leadership skills.
i guess they should have signed you instead...seem like you have that leadership quality your talking about..

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