Misuse of trash-fee funds breaks no l...

Misuse of trash-fee funds breaks no laws, only promises

There are 12 comments on the LA Daily News story from Jul 10, 2008, titled Misuse of trash-fee funds breaks no laws, only promises. In it, LA Daily News reports that:

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“Walter Moore”

Since: Jun 08

Los Angeles

#1 Jul 10, 2008
The Controller is not a lawyer, and her opinion is wrong.

The trash fee hike is an illegal tax. It is illegal because the fees are used not to collect trash, but to provide revenues for the general fund. It is illegal because it was not approved by two-thirds of the voters. Indeed, Villaraigosa and City Council never even asked for our approval.

Not only is it illegal, it is a rip-off. Villaraigosa said he would use the money to hire 1,000 more police. Instead, only 34% of the money went to hiring more police.

And then he followed up by lying again, saying we needed Prop S to pay for more police -- even though the trash fee hike produced more than enough revenue to hire all 1,000 police he promised.

If you want a Mayor who won't raise your taxes, won't hike your fees, and will hire more police, I'm your man.

Walter Moore
Candidate for Mayor of Los Angeles
http://WalterMooreForMayor.com
redpandabear

Los Angeles, CA

#2 Jul 10, 2008
they always have co-meagle provision in a tax
Setting it straight

United States

#3 Jul 10, 2008
Shame on us for not demanding transparency. When you buy a car, a house, or anything that affects your life substantially, don't you want a contract so you can read the fine print? Why is it that these editorials are always on the "SURPRISE" point? Why is this surprising when it happens so much? When does one stand up and say "No more snow jobs! We want it in writing and detailed out in plain language!" An example would be:

The reason many foreclosures are taking place is because shady lenders, banks, and real estate agents shuck'n'jived their customers, not to say the customers themselves didn't lie either. The fine print wasn't reviewed and checked over, people assumed that the lenders, banks, and agents were looking out for their best interests by having them lie on their incomes, manipulating into situations they couldn't afford, and promised what couldn't be delivered.

How does this apply to government? Simple. Trusting people who you don't know to do the right thing every time will get you in a severe ditch. The scam artists in the mortgage industry weren't your friend, and by trusting them you may be one of those unlucky people losing their homes. Well neither is your Los Angeles Government because you didn't get the situation in fine print for review, and now here it is.

Summing it up, the ones who voted your council in for another term, DEAL WITH IT. You voted them in, so shame on you. I know I didn't and my conscience is clear. If you want transparency, demand it and fight for your civil right to have it. Otherwise expect more fees and other crisis of the unforseen to take place.
Bureaucratic Mess

Pasadena, CA

#4 Jul 10, 2008
Maybe our politicians will pass a law requiring them to be honest to the citizens and stop lying to raise revenues?......... NAH!!
redpandabear

Los Angeles, CA

#5 Jul 10, 2008
someone tell me when they didn't bait and switch a tax on the tax payers
LA Woman

Los Angeles, CA

#6 Jul 10, 2008
Yet another reason our esteemed mayor needs to be removed from office. And is ANYONE surprised that he lied? That appears to be the only thing he's good at.
Ken

Los Angeles, CA

#7 Jul 10, 2008
This is why it is our responsibility to vote NO on everything that appears on a ballot. And make sure you tell your friends and family to vote no on everything too. Every measure or law we vote on has built in loopholes so that those in power or those who financed the measure can reap the benefits of our naivety. Our city should be able to support us without asking for more money every year. Imagine if you asked for a raise every time you wanted buy a better car or upgrade your stereo system. Your boss would tell you to take a look at your finances and figure out a way to save money, or go to the movies less so that you could afford the better car. Our government finances should work more like how the common citizen manages their finances. There would be far less corruption then.
Concerned Citizen

Glendale, CA

#8 Jul 10, 2008
LA Woman and others, the Mayor can't be nailed for this one: It's to his benefit to have as many new cops as possible so he can say he reached his goal of 10,000. What this shows is the bureaucratic inefficiency and lack of transparency that must be fixed pronto, as Chick says -- before this waste happens even more with the additional trash fee hikes and Prop S, also for public safety only allegedly (cops and firefighters). But because these fees first go into the General Fund, not to a specific fund created for this purpose, it's been too easy to divert money to "related" expenses.

Next year Chick won't be Controller (hopefully Wendy Greuel will, to continue her work), and the Mayor's chief pro-Mayor allies like Weiss plan to move on -- but so will Bernard Parks, LAPD's alleged perpetual critic, who tried to sweep the trash fee hikes into the General Fund towards the budget deficit from the start. But Cardenas who was Parks' ally and others will be there, maybe preferring to divert some to "gang prevention" programs instead. Chick needs to keep up the pressure to make sure absolutely ironclad accounting is in place before she leaves.
Bill

Burbank, CA

#9 Jul 13, 2008
VOTE NO ON ALL NEW TAXES! "LOOK AT THE PHONE TAX""TRASH FEES"ARE THE POT HOLES FILLED. ALL A BUNCH OF LIES FROM ARE "BOSS HOGS" AT CITY HALL.Tony Villa you are the worst of the worst.that the city has hadas mayor.Janice H.Take your GANG tax and shove it.

NO ON ALL TAXES,Manage the money you already stole from us working class,not the rich
"Eli Broad" buddys you are giving tax cuts to.NO NO NO!!!Shame on you TONY VILLA!!!!!!!

B.A. on L.A.
Norman Moore

Culver City, CA

#10 Jul 13, 2008
Walter Moore wrote:
The Controller is not a lawyer, and her opinion is wrong.
The trash fee hike is an illegal tax. It is illegal because the fees are used not to collect trash, but to provide revenues for the general fund. It is illegal because it was not approved by two-thirds of the voters. Indeed, Villaraigosa and City Council never even asked for our approval.
Not only is it illegal, it is a rip-off. Villaraigosa said he would use the money to hire 1,000 more police. Instead, only 34% of the money went to hiring more police.
And then he followed up by lying again, saying we needed Prop S to pay for more police -- even though the trash fee hike produced more than enough revenue to hire all 1,000 police he promised.
If you want a Mayor who won't raise your taxes, won't hike your fees, and will hire more police, I'm your man.
Walter Moore
Candidate for Mayor of Los Angeles
http://WalterMooreForMayor.com
You sir are right but also wrong. In the state of delusional legality as determined and practiced by city hall Ms. Chick is 100% correct in her assessment of the monies collected for this program. So there you are wrong in your assessment.

Where you are right, and I agree totally, is that in a logical world (as seen by Mr. Spock)trash fees would be just that. They should be used for the collection of refuse and to provide that ancillary facilities to do just that. I think that government needs to fund things honestly and in the priority of what is most essential. If they need more money, after an honest accounting, then they can ask for more. What is happening is that because they can not provide a honest accounting they are resorting to creative financing. Kind of like when we were kids and we told Dad that we needed more money to buy school supplies but we spent the money on Hostess Cupcakes and Twinkies.
Mike-Burbank

Ventura, CA

#11 Jul 13, 2008
Walter Moore for Mayor 2009..You have my vote sir!!!!
Ellie from Sylmar

Los Angeles, CA

#12 Jul 17, 2008
I am making a promise, one that I do not foresee breaking in the near future: I will vote NO on EVERY bond measure, every tax increase, every fee increase, anything that allows any governmental entity take more of my dollars. You electeds and appointeds - break a promise, shame on you... break more than one - shame on me.
None of you - NONE OF YOU can be trusted with my hard-earned money.
And while you are at it, how about titling and wording propositions, such s R and 98, truthfully. My box of cereal tells more truth than all of you put together.

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