Timberwolves assist Carmelo Anthony trade, sending Corey Brewer to Knicks, picking up Anthony Ran...

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Carmelo Anthony is getting his wish, and the New York Knicks are getting a second superstar.
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Great....the Wolves now have the Ryan Leaf of Basketball...just pay him to stay at home, Curry is a world class chancre of sports.
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Just another day in loserville....
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How does this improve the T'Puppies? Fire the owner, GM & the coach and start from over again for the hundredth time.
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Who cares. The NBA is ghetto lame.
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Any trade where we can help get Carmelo and Billups out of the Wolves division is a good trade to me. The Wolves wern't going to keep Brewer anyways.
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Feb 22, 2011
 
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Tutu,
Wouldn't you think that just once the wolve's would make the right pick in the draft?
It is almost comical how poorly the wolve's have chosen.
2010 Passing on Cousins to draft Wes Johnson. The jury is out. Cousins has more upside. Johnson looks like a role player no matter how much the wolves try to make it sound like he is a future star.
2009 Rubio and Flynn over Curry, Derozan, and others. Trading the rights to Lawson.
2008 Drafting Mayo over Love, Westbrook, and Gordon. At least we traded well.
2007 Brewer over Noah, when we could have used more size, rather than a wing.
2006 Ending up with Foye, after trading the rights to Roy, and passing on Gay and Rondo.
2005 McCants, passing on Granger.
2003 Ebi, over Barbosa and Howard.
About the only time the wolves brass made the right pick, and kept the player, was Garnett. A few times that have chose the right player, Ray Allen, B. Roy, but have traded the player later the same night.
Fracas, I really wish you would not judge the things done by McHale and focus on the Kahn era. Starting with 2009. I was hoping we would get Harden/Evans and a PG, but the Thunder and Kings put the squash on that by grabbing Harden and Evans. Kahn then made one great pick with Rubio and one VERY POOR selection of Flynn. I too wish we had gotten DeRozen but it didnt happen. But Kahn did put the team in position to grab two elite prosects by trading for the Wizards 5th pick. Trading the rights of Lawson to Denver looks bad in hindsight but who knows how well he would play in the triangle?

The 2010 draft was a bust as soon as we didn't land the top two picks. I think Turner would be great in the triangle because of his passing and size. But we got the 4th pick and we knew it would come down to Cousins and Johnson. We all knew that Cousins was the best prospect but it was the concern over whether he could be coached that scared most teams away. This season he has shown why there was concern over his behavior. Johnson is a very good player. I still think he was the right choice. He can do so many things on the court both offensively and defensively and fits very well into what Kurt Rambis does.

Again, I think it is unfair to put what McHale has done with what Kahn is doing. Kahn had a bad first draft, but he sure has been busy trying to put the right players in place for this team to be successful in the long-term. The Brewer trade helps the team a lot. Brewer was a terrible ball-handler and shooter and he also turned the ball over a lot for a guy who doesn't see the ball very often. The player we got in return filled the hole that Kahn has been talking about all season; an athletic shot-blocker off the bench. I'm not a huge fan of Randolph, but I think he can be the weakside shot-blocker this team simply does not have.

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Feb 22, 2011
 
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Are you complete Idiots? Why in the H ell would you make this deal. Dont try and tell us you were wanting Randolph. Do you think we are stupid? If that dude was going to do anything it would have happend by now. I am telling you, you are fool, you are the laughing stock of the league for a reason, people make fun of you because you run a professional team like a bunch of third graders. I seriously think you need to have a mental evaluation done. You have no desire to make this team better by slowly dismanteling it and hope the chumps you get fall into place. Tell me please, what was the the upside to this trade, to act like a big shot in helping the Knicks get CA? You gave up way to much for what you got and the Knicks are still laughing behind your back, or as sissiy as you are probably right to your face.
It goes to show until this team gets new personel from top to bottom including a coach who knows what he is doing, you will never be anything but the butt end of peoples jokes, you just created another one today!...f'n Idiots!
You are sounding like an idiot yourself you toolbox! Upside? The upside is Randolph has more of an than Brewer. You are the idiot for wanting to keep Brewer.
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Corey Brewer will cry a river with tears of joy all the way from MN to NY! You can count on that! I'm happy for Corey that he is going to a real basketball team. Randolph is a cast off, so he won't make the tenderwolves any better! Samo samo! ;-(
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Feb 22, 2011
 
there's no downside to this. brewer was gone after this year. yea, that's great that he's the only one who played defense, but what does that matter when he's not getting re-signed and the team won't win 20 games?!?
randolph isn't great or even good, but at least there is some potential... and we got another piece in the expiring contract of eddy curry, if we were to try to make another trade in the next couple days.
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Feb 22, 2011
 
fracas wrote:
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Tutu,
Wouldn't you think that just once the wolve's would make the right pick in the draft?
It is almost comical how poorly the wolve's have chosen.
2010 Passing on Cousins to draft Wes Johnson. The jury is out. Cousins has more upside. Johnson looks like a role player no matter how much the wolves try to make it sound like he is a future star.
2009 Rubio and Flynn over Curry, Derozan, and others. Trading the rights to Lawson.
2008 Drafting Mayo over Love, Westbrook, and Gordon. At least we traded well.
2007 Brewer over Noah, when we could have used more size, rather than a wing.
2006 Ending up with Foye, after trading the rights to Roy, and passing on Gay and Rondo.
2005 McCants, passing on Granger.
2003 Ebi, over Barbosa and Howard.
About the only time the wolves brass made the right pick, and kept the player, was Garnett. A few times that have chose the right player, Ray Allen, B. Roy, but have traded the player later the same night.
Hindsight is 20/20, I really wish I would have either kept or sold plenty of baseball cards, stock, etc over the years - no reason for regret...just move forward. The Timberwolves of old aren't the Timberwolves of new...time will tell, stop bitching and become the best person at YOUR job...but I'm sure you already are...
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Feb 22, 2011
 
fracas wrote:
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Tutu,
Wouldn't you think that just once the wolve's would make the right pick in the draft?
It is almost comical how poorly the wolve's have chosen.
2010 Passing on Cousins to draft Wes Johnson. The jury is out. Cousins has more upside. Johnson looks like a role player no matter how much the wolves try to make it sound like he is a future star.
2009 Rubio and Flynn over Curry, Derozan, and others. Trading the rights to Lawson.
2008 Drafting Mayo over Love, Westbrook, and Gordon. At least we traded well.
2007 Brewer over Noah, when we could have used more size, rather than a wing.
2006 Ending up with Foye, after trading the rights to Roy, and passing on Gay and Rondo.
2005 McCants, passing on Granger.
2003 Ebi, over Barbosa and Howard.
About the only time the wolves brass made the right pick, and kept the player, was Garnett. A few times that have chose the right player, Ray Allen, B. Roy, but have traded the player later the same night.
Most of these examples, you are comparing the wolves' bad pick to the steals of the drafts... there are plenty of gms who if they could go back, would have taken guys like Westbrook, Rondo, Noah, Granger... they weren't high picks!
Most people say Kahn is terrible at drafting. They cite the Rubio/Flynn picks over Curry. So then what do you grade the Thunder for drafting James Harden? Yet, this is the franchise that drafted Durant and Westbrook.
There is a lot of luck involved in the draft! At least the Wolves aren't screwing up the 1st and 2nd picks... guys like Oden, Thabeet, Darko.
And Kahn has only had two years, so you're evaluating one class for their rookie year and half of their sophmore year, and the other class for half of their rookie year.
And give me a break with the Cousins take. Dude has problems. He didn't want to come here, skipped his workout. Yea, that would have went over real well. And Sacramento is terrible too.
I think the biggest problem is Rambis. Kahn has obviously upgraded the roster.
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Don't worry Wolves fans; this is just the beginning of the yearly revamping of the roster. By this time next year only Kevin Love will be here and then the following year he is gone. The only thing that bothers me is, had the T-Wolves a black head coach or GM the Minnesota fans and news media would be in "crisis mode" about the dismal performance of the team.
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I have a question wrote:
Does anybody know why Dan Barero of Kfan calls David Kahn the Meerkat? Honest question...I am curious?
Because Dan Barrerirorororro is an unfunny moron that knows nothing about sports. Remember Dan Bananamaerarorroro is the idiot that hates everything about Joe Mauer and ripped the Twins for drafting him.
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An he is right about Mauer. Singles hitter that can't play everyday. What an athelete.
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Mike L wrote:
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Fracas, I really wish you would not judge the things done by McHale and focus on the Kahn era. Starting with 2009. I was hoping we would get Harden/Evans and a PG, but the Thunder and Kings put the squash on that by grabbing Harden and Evans. Kahn then made one great pick with Rubio and one VERY POOR selection of Flynn. I too wish we had gotten DeRozen but it didnt happen. But Kahn did put the team in position to grab two elite prosects by trading for the Wizards 5th pick. Trading the rights of Lawson to Denver looks bad in hindsight but who knows how well he would play in the triangle?
The 2010 draft was a bust as soon as we didn't land the top two picks. I think Turner would be great in the triangle because of his passing and size. But we got the 4th pick and we knew it would come down to Cousins and Johnson. We all knew that Cousins was the best prospect but it was the concern over whether he could be coached that scared most teams away. This season he has shown why there was concern over his behavior. Johnson is a very good player. I still think he was the right choice. He can do so many things on the court both offensively and defensively and fits very well into what Kurt Rambis does.
Again, I think it is unfair to put what McHale has done with what Kahn is doing. Kahn had a bad first draft, but he sure has been busy trying to put the right players in place for this team to be successful in the long-term. The Brewer trade helps the team a lot. Brewer was a terrible ball-handler and shooter and he also turned the ball over a lot for a guy who doesn't see the ball very often. The player we got in return filled the hole that Kahn has been talking about all season; an athletic shot-blocker off the bench. I'm not a huge fan of Randolph, but I think he can be the weakside shot-blocker this team simply does not have.
Mike L,

Thanks. First of all, I said the WOLVE'S had a terrible history of drafting. I did not single out Kahn, although Kahn, in his short history, has carried on the tradition established even prior to McHale.

Secondly, I think the back to back PG picks of Rubio and Flynn was ludicrous. You cannot play them both at the same time regardless of what Kahn says. Flynn isn't quick enough to guard 1's and there is no way that he is going to be able to guard 2's at under 6 feet. Rubio may never come here, but even if he does, he still can't shoot. I was OK with the pick of Rubio, but it was a significant reach to take Flynn at 5. I don't have a problem with the pick of Lawson as we had already made a deal with Denver for the pick.

The Johnson-Cousins debate is still up in the air. Everyone agrees that Cousins is a borderline nut-job. Everyone also pretty much agrees that if said nut-job cleans up his act, he is one hell of a talent. Maybe the light never comes on for him and maybe he muddles through his career like another nut-job, J R Rider, muddled through his. But, maybe the light comes on and Cousins gets a clue, similar to Zach Randolph. Johnson has a nice stroke but lacks confidence in his ball handling, settling time and time again for the 23 footer, even if he has a 15 footer by putting the ball on the floor. The term "not assertive" certainly comes to mind when describing Johnson. The Wolves are guilty of making the "safe" pick, and passing on the higher upside of Cousins.

I agree that Kahn is trying to find some talent. I have previously commented on these pages that Kahn was masterful in snitching Beasley from Miami, knowing that Miami was over a barrel. I also give Kahn a lot of credit for not panicking and making wholesale changes to "The Plan" just because the "W's" are far and few between.

I agree with your comments about Brewer. About all I will really miss is the energy. Say what you want about Brewer.....bad shot....no handle, the fact also is that he played 100 percent, all of the time. That feature will be missed on a team with a bunch of slackers.
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UHhh wrote:
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Hindsight is 20/20, I really wish I would have either kept or sold plenty of baseball cards, stock, etc over the years - no reason for regret...just move forward. The Timberwolves of old aren't the Timberwolves of new...time will tell, stop bitching and become the best person at YOUR job...but I'm sure you already are..
I am not bitching. I am saying it like I see it. There is a difference.

By the way, I was the best at what I did prior to retiring. Just in case you really did want to know.
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I hope you folks who read the PP comments appreciate what Fracas does: he is civil, thoughtful, and has a valid perspective. I, personally, have chosen to stop posting because of juvenile louts like "just another day" or whatever he calls himself, who takes odd pleasure in getting a rise out of people and, in the process, lowers the level of discourse to the point where only he and his friends can possibly have any interest.

No, I don't know who Fracas is, but I appreciate him. It is a pleasure to read the thoughts of someone who crafts his ideas, and I, for one, applaud him for his forbearance and patience.

Keep it up, Fracas.
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Feb 22, 2011
 
Maybe another city would want the Timberwolves. Then we don't need to spend money to fix up Target Center. Or Target can pay to fix it up.
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Victim of the Economy wrote:
Attn: T-Wolves
Are you complete Idiots? Why in the H ell would you make this deal. Dont try and tell us you were wanting Randolph. Do you think we are stupid? If that dude was going to do anything it would have happend by now. I am telling you, you are fool, you are the laughing stock of the league for a reason, people make fun of you because you run a professional team like a bunch of third graders. I seriously think you need to have a mental evaluation done. You have no desire to make this team better by slowly dismanteling it and hope the chumps you get fall into place. Tell me please, what was the the upside to this trade, to act like a big shot in helping the Knicks get CA? You gave up way to much for what you got and the Knicks are still laughing behind your back, or as sissiy as you are probably right to your face.
It goes to show until this team gets new personel from top to bottom including a coach who knows what he is doing, you will never be anything but the butt end of peoples jokes, you just created another one today!...f'n Idiots!
How did we give up too much? Brewer who is very erratic on defense and can't play offence and is way to skinny to play in the NBA. Sure we got kille dint his deal, get a life!
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Mike L,
Thanks. First of all, I said the WOLVE'S had a terrible history of drafting. I did not single out Kahn, although Kahn, in his short history, has carried on the tradition established even prior to McHale.
Secondly, I think the back to back PG picks of Rubio and Flynn was ludicrous. You cannot play them both at the same time regardless of what Kahn says. Flynn isn't quick enough to guard 1's and there is no way that he is going to be able to guard 2's at under 6 feet. Rubio may never come here, but even if he does, he still can't shoot. I was OK with the pick of Rubio, but it was a significant reach to take Flynn at 5. I don't have a problem with the pick of Lawson as we had already made a deal with Denver for the pick.
The Johnson-Cousins debate is still up in the air. Everyone agrees that Cousins is a borderline nut-job. Everyone also pretty much agrees that if said nut-job cleans up his act, he is one hell of a talent. Maybe the light never comes on for him and maybe he muddles through his career like another nut-job, J R Rider, muddled through his. But, maybe the light comes on and Cousins gets a clue, similar to Zach Randolph. Johnson has a nice stroke but lacks confidence in his ball handling, settling time and time again for the 23 footer, even if he has a 15 footer by putting the ball on the floor. The term "not assertive" certainly comes to mind when describing Johnson. The Wolves are guilty of making the "safe" pick, and passing on the higher upside of Cousins.
I agree that Kahn is trying to find some talent. I have previously commented on these pages that Kahn was masterful in snitching Beasley from Miami, knowing that Miami was over a barrel. I also give Kahn a lot of credit for not panicking and making wholesale changes to "The Plan" just because the "W's" are far and few between.
I agree with your comments about Brewer. About all I will really miss is the energy. Say what you want about Brewer.....bad shot....no handle, the fact also is that he played 100 percent, all of the time. That feature will be missed on a team with a bunch of slackers.
I also agree that Brewer always gave 100%, but he didn't always seem like the brightest bulb on the tree. He too often is out of place on offense as well as defense. So while he was out there giving it his all, he was not always helping the team out by not being in the right spot all the time.

I think we pretty much agree on Flynn. While I thought he could learn and grow into Rambis' system, time has shown us that it's probably not going to happen. The injury probably didn't help, but missing open teammates all the time sure doesn't help him. I think Rubio has shown that his passing can more than make up for the lack of shooting. The mechanics are there so all he needs to do is keep working on that shot. I think he can come in and be effective right away in an NBA system, especially the triangle. On this Wolves team, passing is about as scarce as wins, so his pass first mentality should only help the team. Sure, he'll have some things to work on, but I really think he'll bring some wins.

As far as Cousins and Johnson, I think you're right that Cousins could easily have some great, great years ahead of him like some other troubled players in the past have. I was actually praying that the Wolves would draft him to be honest. But I did think the Johnson pick was the right one and continue to feel that way. Rambis knows Johnson has so many tools to be great and I think the rest of this season as well as the offseason will be key for his development.

As always, it's great to talk basketball with you.

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