Who Is the Most Overrated Player on the LA Lakers?

There are 273 comments on the BleacherReport story from Feb 17, 2013, titled Who Is the Most Overrated Player on the LA Lakers?. In it, BleacherReport reports that:

There certainly was no shortage of hype surrounding the Los Angeles Lakers ' offseason this past summer.

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Clipper me

Fontana, CA

#104 Mar 21, 2013
The_Solution wrote:
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4th all time in scoring. I don't need to say another word
and 1st in most shots taken!
bball fan

Frankfort, KY

#106 Mar 23, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
<quoted text>Ok I get what you're saying but, Shaq was the superstar when Kobe was just an up and comer. What other superstar was in LA then? Exactly.

Was Dwight there with Shaq and Kobe? Nope. Nash too? Nope.

Ok, so LA has got Kobe at the tail end of an illustrious career, Dwight proving he's deserving of the title superstar and Nash who is hanging on to the cautionary red flag for dear life. To me that's not Bosh, Wade and LBJ all in their respective primes or extremely close to it.

I take nothing away from LBJ but could he do the same with just one other star on his team? Probably not. Having 2 bonafide superstars alongside him makes it so much easier for him to get the shots he wants thus making him look extremely great.

Put LBJ instead of Kobe with this Lakers team with all they've gone through, Dwight's bad back and attitude, Nash's broken bone, Blake's surgery, Pau's foot etc etc what do you have? What are they, 5-10 games better maybe? A contender they're not though.
All I'm saying is Kobe has always had some help when reaching the finals via another superstar. Bosh to me is a joke and no star. He numbers have went down in almost every category. I know because he has lbj and wade, that is expected a bit, but he sucks. And lbj took the scrubby cavs to east finals and finals by himself. Oh and 25 straight for the best basketball PLAYER and possibly the most unselfish best player ever LBJ! Not too shabby.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#107 Mar 23, 2013
bball fan wrote:
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All I'm saying is Kobe has always had some help when reaching the finals via another superstar. Bosh to me is a joke and no star. He numbers have went down in almost every category. I know because he has lbj and wade, that is expected a bit, but he sucks. And lbj took the scrubby cavs to east finals and finals by himself. Oh and 25 straight for the best basketball PLAYER and possibly the most unselfish best player ever LBJ! Not too shabby.
Shaq is/was a bonafide superstar. Don't tell me you're trying to call Pau, Fish, Odom or Ariza superstars when Kobe got his last 2 are you?

Bosh may be a joke to you but he is considered at least a 1b superstar ranking and without Bosh rebounding and taking the opposition's big man out the Heat don't win a title or anymore titles.

LBJ is hands down for my money the most complete player in NBA history. That being said, I did not like the way he was crowned king without winning a title and given Jordan calls starting in his first game in the NBA. Jordan didn't even get favorable calls (several years into him being in the league) until the league rewrote the rules because of the abuse the Pistons dished out on him (Jordan rules).

Plus brother, it seems that whole LBJ and Cavs making it to the Finals was just one big hyped up fluke to introduce the new face of the NBA to the nation. LBJ got sooo many bail out fould calls to put him on the line it wasn't even funny. That's the biggest reason LBJ was polarizing because people could plainly see he was getting enormous favoritism without having to have earned it.

Bottomline I agree with you in a way, every team's superstar needs help. Jordan needed Pippen, Shaq needed Kobe, Bird needed McHale, magic needed Karim etc. etc. but LBJ needs 2! DWade AND Bosh!=P
Sammy

Brampton, Canada

#108 Mar 23, 2013
bball fan wrote:
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All I'm saying is Kobe has always had some help when reaching the finals via another superstar. Bosh to me is a joke and no star. He numbers have went down in almost every category. I know because he has lbj and wade, that is expected a bit, but he sucks. And lbj took the scrubby cavs to east finals and finals by himself. Oh and 25 straight for the best basketball PLAYER and possibly the most unselfish best player ever LBJ! Not too shabby.
Bosh is not a star? chee I hope the stigma that he played here isn't playing an effect on you. Bosh not a star...wow.Sure your Moniker is an appropriate name? jus sayin.

Since: Apr 08

Akron, Ohio

#109 Mar 23, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
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Shaq is/was a bonafide superstar. Don't tell me you're trying to call Pau, Fish, Odom or Ariza superstars when Kobe got his last 2 are you?
Bosh may be a joke to you but he is considered at least a 1b superstar ranking and without Bosh rebounding and taking the opposition's big man out the Heat don't win a title or anymore titles.
LBJ is hands down for my money the most complete player in NBA history. That being said, I did not like the way he was crowned king without winning a title and given Jordan calls starting in his first game in the NBA. Jordan didn't even get favorable calls (several years into him being in the league) until the league rewrote the rules because of the abuse the Pistons dished out on him (Jordan rules).
Plus brother, it seems that whole LBJ and Cavs making it to the Finals was just one big hyped up fluke to introduce the new face of the NBA to the nation. LBJ got sooo many bail out fould calls to put him on the line it wasn't even funny. That's the biggest reason LBJ was polarizing because people could plainly see he was getting enormous favoritism without having to have earned it.
Bottomline I agree with you in a way, every team's superstar needs help. Jordan needed Pippen, Shaq needed Kobe, Bird needed McHale, magic needed Karim etc. etc. but LBJ needs 2! DWade AND Bosh!=P
"King James" was a name given to him in HIGH SCHOOL, yeah, not in the NBA!

The Cavs making it to the Finals was a "hyped up fluke?" Come on, even woodchucks come out of the ground in the spring. Where the hell you been?

Let me correct you on this also ... BOSTON had a Big 3. Didn't hear ya bitchin' about THAT!

It is a TEAM sport that requires 4 other skilled players. SKILLED is the key word there, bud.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#110 Mar 23, 2013
Bewitched wrote:
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"King James" was a name given to him in HIGH SCHOOL, yeah, not in the NBA!
The Cavs making it to the Finals was a "hyped up fluke?" Come on, even woodchucks come out of the ground in the spring. Where the hell you been?
Let me correct you on this also ... BOSTON had a Big 3. Didn't hear ya bitchin' about THAT!
It is a TEAM sport that requires 4 other skilled players. SKILLED is the key word there, bud.
Announcers and sports analysts still called him "king James" in the NBA. Being called "king" wherever you're at kinda means you rule over everyone.

And yea, you're biased so one can't expect you to be totally objective. With my own eyes and many others I played and watched b-ball with we could plainly see LBJ stiff arming defenders and/or clearing out defenders with his left arm and never getting called for it (to this day) and driving to the rim and the whistle blows and on the replay he's never been touched and since he wasn't touched it was usually an easy and-1. I'm telling you, the Cavs run in 06-07 was to set the stage for future NBA $$$ and to hype up LBJ and make him what he is today. It was all theater.

I don't bitch, get that straight in your head first. Second, while people may have called Boston's 3 "big" who was the 3rd true superstar? A wet behind the ears Rondo or Ray Allen? Ray Allen is NOT a superstar and never had been. He could never dream of carrying a team himself as Pierce or KG for example did and as I said Rondo had no cred to be dubbed a superstar at that time so I really have no clue why you're throwing Boston at me as I'm not a supporter of them in the first place.

Lastly, I believe I was talking to "bball fan" in jest about LBJ needing to be with 2 other superstars to win a title while Kobe hasn't needed any.

Trust me, I'm fully aware you need at least 5 competent players on the court at all times to have a chance superstar or not and I must say, I really don't appreciate the tone of your post to me as I've never had anything but respect for you when we've spoken previously.

Since: Apr 08

Akron, Ohio

#111 Mar 23, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
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Announcers and sports analysts still called him "king James" in the NBA. Being called "king" wherever you're at kinda means you rule over everyone.
And yea, you're biased so one can't expect you to be totally objective. With my own eyes and many others I played and watched b-ball with we could plainly see LBJ stiff arming defenders and/or clearing out defenders with his left arm and never getting called for it (to this day) and driving to the rim and the whistle blows and on the replay he's never been touched and since he wasn't touched it was usually an easy and-1. I'm telling you, the Cavs run in 06-07 was to set the stage for future NBA $$$ and to hype up LBJ and make him what he is today. It was all theater.
I don't bitch, get that straight in your head first. Second, while people may have called Boston's 3 "big" who was the 3rd true superstar? A wet behind the ears Rondo or Ray Allen? Ray Allen is NOT a superstar and never had been. He could never dream of carrying a team himself as Pierce or KG for example did and as I said Rondo had no cred to be dubbed a superstar at that time so I really have no clue why you're throwing Boston at me as I'm not a supporter of them in the first place.
Lastly, I believe I was talking to "bball fan" in jest about LBJ needing to be with 2 other superstars to win a title while Kobe hasn't needed any.
Trust me, I'm fully aware you need at least 5 competent players on the court at all times to have a chance superstar or not and I must say, I really don't appreciate the tone of your post to me as I've never had anything but respect for you when we've spoken previously.
I can't help it if sports analysts TODAY call him "King James," that is THEIR opinions.

I'm biased? Do you have any idea the elevator ride us fans here have gone on through out this ordeal? I think I might be one of the only ones that has remained UNBIASED!

I don't know you, and I don't know IF you played b ball as you profess, or HOW much b ball you watch "with your eyes." I went to more Cavs games in 06-07 than I ever did, and NOBODY can tell me that was ALL STAGED."

"You don't bitch?" I threw Boston at you because you obviously ignore what a Big 3 is. Your opinion of Rhondo and Ray was a joke.

Your opinions are yours. I, however, find them suspect and naive.

IMO

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#112 Mar 23, 2013
Bewitched wrote:
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I can't help it if sports analysts TODAY call him "King James," that is THEIR opinions.
I'm biased? Do you have any idea the elevator ride us fans here have gone on through out this ordeal? I think I might be one of the only ones that has remained UNBIASED!
I don't know you, and I don't know IF you played b ball as you profess, or HOW much b ball you watch "with your eyes." I went to more Cavs games in 06-07 than I ever did, and NOBODY can tell me that was ALL STAGED."
"You don't bitch?" I threw Boston at you because you obviously ignore what a Big 3 is. Your opinion of Rhondo and Ray was a joke.
Your opinions are yours. I, however, find them suspect and naive.
IMO
Are you having a bad day there in Ohio Mrs. B? It seems like it as you're jumping all over me for no apparent reason and I'm still trying to remain respectful to you even though you're clearly disrespecting me and I'd appreciate it if you'd change the way you're coming at me from now on please.

You said: "King James" was a name given to him in HIGH SCHOOL, yeah, not in the NBA!

You said that because I said: "LBJ is hands down for my money the most complete player in NBA history. That being said, I did not like the way he was crowned king without winning a title and given Jordan calls starting in his first game in the NBA"

I never once said the origin of "King James" was NBA born did I? No.

Are you biased? Of course you are. One who considers themselves a supporter of anything and has feelings good or bad from what they support has bias towards it by definition even if it's minute so when you say you're completely without bias although you're an avid supporter of the Cavs is 100% contradictory and you're being 100% dishonest. Just because you can speak of who you support with honesty doesn't mean you're without bias. Who cares if you're bias towards the Cavs anyway? Anyone who can stand by Cleveland's pro teams and support them deserves a medal IMO because they just find ways to keep letting you poor people down time and time again.

You're right, you don't know me or how much ball I played or who I played against and who I beat or how much I watch and least of all you can't tell me what I see or don't see. I'll reiterate my previous statement when I said it was all theater. I was simply implying LBJ was given his moment that year to introduce himself as the new face of the NBA for years to come and the fact that he got Jordan calls as a rookie and the fact that he was the most hyped rookie EVER and the only rookie to lead his team to the Finals ( I may be wrong, don't feel like researching currently) can only help my point that the road was "paved" for him and his ultimate success.

So, I put it to you the only "unbiased" supporter in the world what was Rondo in 07-08? A superstar in his sophomore year? Ray Allen, you think he was a superstar too do you? Don't confuse ALL-STAR with superstar Mrs. B. 2 totally different things. Ray is an All-Star no doubt. He was the star in He Got Game though but it still doesn't make him a superstar, box office attraction on the hardwood.

Yes, my opinions are mine but I say again, you're jumping on me and butting into a conversation that you were never a part of so to call me "suspect"? I should be calling you and the angle you're taking with me that. And to call me naive...? Lady, again it just shows how truly biased you really are!

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#113 Mar 23, 2013
Ray Allen was A star in he got game. Don't need you trying to make a mountain out of that too.

Since: Apr 08

Akron, Ohio

#114 Mar 23, 2013
ok, as you continue to {{{ resinate }}} on, I DO know who you are. You are from another forum I go on, unrelated to b ball.

I will respond tomorrow morning, as it is late here in EST. Your location of "Timshe" is very strange, Tim.

Sorry that your 9ers faded when they could have shined.

Enlightening enough?

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#115 Mar 23, 2013
Bewitched wrote:
ok, as you continue to {{{ resinate }}} on, I DO know who you are. You are from another forum I go on, unrelated to b ball.
I will respond tomorrow morning, as it is late here in EST. Your location of "Timshe" is very strange, Tim.
Sorry that your 9ers faded when they could have shined.
Enlightening enough?
When and if you do respond, make sure your response is to something I've actually written please.

The word Timshel in the "location" area is Hebrew and has profound meaning. And you can call me Mr. Jusayin as my name is not Tim.

I'm proud of my 9ers and basically our rookie QB doing what he did even though the end result wasn't exactly what I'd hoped for and don't worry I caught it, your little juvenile prods will not work on me Lady that wears her Cavs heart on her unbiased sleeve. ;)

BTW, when you actually say something enlightening, I'll be sure to let you know.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#116 Mar 23, 2013
Sammy wrote:
<quoted text>Bosh is not a star? chee I hope the stigma that he played here isn't playing an effect on you. Bosh not a star...wow.Sure your Moniker is an appropriate name? jus sayin.
Yo Sammy! What's up with Lady B? She's acting like I ran over her dog or something!
Ginobili

San Francisco, CA

#117 Mar 24, 2013
LBJ won the NBA ring almost by himself last year, Wade and Bosh were only at best 50%. Bosh missed most of the playoffs and his abdomen area was still hurting a lot when he returned . Wade was playing on a knee that reuired major surgery. This year LBJ is just totally brilliant. These idiots on the board still think that Durant, Melo or KoMe should win the MVP this year. In a few months LBJ will win his 4th MVP, guaranteed.

Since: Apr 08

Akron, Ohio

#118 Mar 24, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
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Are you having a bad day there in Ohio Mrs. B? It seems like it as you're jumping all over me for no apparent reason and I'm still trying to remain respectful to you even though you're clearly disrespecting me and I'd appreciate it if you'd change the way you're coming at me from now on please.
You said: "King James" was a name given to him in HIGH SCHOOL, yeah, not in the NBA!
You said that because I said: "LBJ is hands down for my money the most complete player in NBA history. That being said, I did not like the way he was crowned king without winning a title and given Jordan calls starting in his first game in the NBA"
I never once said the origin of "King James" was NBA born did I? No.
Are you biased? Of course you are. One who considers themselves a supporter of anything and has feelings good or bad from what they support has bias towards it by definition even if it's minute so when you say you're completely without bias although you're an avid supporter of the Cavs is 100% contradictory and you're being 100% dishonest. Just because you can speak of who you support with honesty doesn't mean you're without bias. Who cares if you're bias towards the Cavs anyway? Anyone who can stand by Cleveland's pro teams and support them deserves a medal IMO because they just find ways to keep letting you poor people down time and time again.
You're right, you don't know me or how much ball I played or who I played against and who I beat or how much I watch and least of all you can't tell me what I see or don't see. I'll reiterate my previous statement when I said it was all theater. I was simply implying LBJ was given his moment that year to introduce himself as the new face of the NBA for years to come and the fact that he got Jordan calls as a rookie and the fact that he was the most hyped rookie EVER and the only rookie to lead his team to the Finals ( I may be wrong, don't feel like researching currently) can only help my point that the road was "paved" for him and his ultimate success.
So, I put it to you the only "unbiased" supporter in the world what was Rondo in 07-08? A superstar in his sophomore year? Ray Allen, you think he was a superstar too do you? Don't confuse ALL-STAR with superstar Mrs. B. 2 totally different things. Ray is an All-Star no doubt. He was the star in He Got Game though but it still doesn't make him a superstar, box office attraction on the hardwood.
Yes, my opinions are mine but I say again, you're jumping on me and butting into a conversation that you were never a part of so to call me "suspect"? I should be calling you and the angle you're taking with me that. And to call me naive...? Lady, again it just shows how truly biased you really are!
I DO root for the Cavs. I am not worried if King James comes back or not. It would be better not to have to play against him, but he could go anywhere in 2014, and I would be content with what we are building on. Now, does that sound biased to you?

You really haven't convinced me of much except that you have an unusually high opinion of yourself. Oh, and as for the jab at Cleveland pro sports teams, and us "poor" fans, WE SHOW UP in sell-out crowds PROUDLY. So, thanks for bringing it up.

As for "interrupting" your conversation, it IS a forum. Don't worry, now that I've had the honor of a conversation with a 49ers fan of your high statue, this lowly peon from NE Ohio will not bother reading your words any more.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#119 Mar 24, 2013
Bewitched wrote:
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I DO root for the Cavs. I am not worried if King James comes back or not. It would be better not to have to play against him, but he could go anywhere in 2014, and I would be content with what we are building on. Now, does that sound biased to you?
You really haven't convinced me of much except that you have an unusually high opinion of yourself. Oh, and as for the jab at Cleveland pro sports teams, and us "poor" fans, WE SHOW UP in sell-out crowds PROUDLY. So, thanks for bringing it up.
As for "interrupting" your conversation, it IS a forum. Don't worry, now that I've had the honor of a conversation with a 49ers fan of your high statue, this lowly peon from NE Ohio will not bother reading your words any more.
You don't get to come at me in a disrespectful manner and insult me basically calling me stuck up while also making up responses to things I've never written and then expect me to somehow turn off human nature and not be defensive towards you. You need to learn to come at someone with some respect and you'll find it's reciprocated. You get what you give "lady".

Like I said earlier, Cleveland's pro team fans DESERVE A MEDAL for what they put you through year in and year out and especially for what LBJ did to you guys. That was heartbreaking but did I ever once say you all didn't show up and give them your all and support them proudly and that you all don't deserve a team that reflects your passion and commitment?! No. Again, you like to twist what I've said to the way you wanted to read it so you can be mad at someone who's had 0 beef with you previously for reasons I don't know and it appears you don't either.

BTW, about 3-4 months ago you thought for some reason I was a Patriots supporter and you were really trying to talk Patriots with me again and again even though I'd clearly told you and others in that particular thread I was and had been a 9ers fan since '84. Honest question, are you on meds that are making you do this?

You know, if I'd have honestly done something to piss you off I'll take what's coming no problem but it's like you just decided you didn't like my name or what I stand for and you came at me. I understand if you're having a bad day or week or whatever but to treat people this way for no reason and then put it all back on them is ridiculous and cowardly.

Peace B.

“Reason is Treason”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#120 Mar 25, 2013
bball fan wrote:
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All I'm saying is Kobe has always had some help when reaching the finals via another superstar. Bosh to me is a joke and no star. He numbers have went down in almost every category. I know because he has lbj and wade, that is expected a bit, but he sucks. And lbj took the scrubby cavs to east finals and finals by himself. Oh and 25 straight for the best basketball PLAYER and possibly the most unselfish best player ever LBJ! Not too shabby.
LMAO Bosh aint no joke and his numbers went down because of all the outside shooters not to mention playing with wade and LJ

“Reason is Treason”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#121 Mar 25, 2013
Bewitched wrote:
<quoted text>
I DO root for the Cavs. I am not worried if King James comes back or not. It would be better not to have to play against him, but he could go anywhere in 2014, and I would be content with what we are building on. Now, does that sound biased to you?
You really haven't convinced me of much except that you have an unusually high opinion of yourself. Oh, and as for the jab at Cleveland pro sports teams, and us "poor" fans, WE SHOW UP in sell-out crowds PROUDLY. So, thanks for bringing it up.
As for "interrupting" your conversation, it IS a forum. Don't worry, now that I've had the honor of a conversation with a 49ers fan of your high statue, this lowly peon from NE Ohio will not bother reading your words any more.
Your lying thru your teeth if your trying to make anyone believe you dont care if LJ goes back to the cavs or not!!! A cav fan can say what they want but deep down they all wanna witness again! Yea I rolled thru ohio and yea there are lots of peons there specially in cleveland that town is trash

“Reason is Treason”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#122 Mar 25, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
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Shaq is/was a bonafide superstar. Don't tell me you're trying to call Pau, Fish, Odom or Ariza superstars when Kobe got his last 2 are you?
Bosh may be a joke to you but he is considered at least a 1b superstar ranking and without Bosh rebounding and taking the opposition's big man out the Heat don't win a title or anymore titles.
LBJ is hands down for my money the most complete player in NBA history. That being said, I did not like the way he was crowned king without winning a title and given Jordan calls starting in his first game in the NBA. Jordan didn't even get favorable calls (several years into him being in the league) until the league rewrote the rules because of the abuse the Pistons dished out on him (Jordan rules).
Plus brother, it seems that whole LBJ and Cavs making it to the Finals was just one big hyped up fluke to introduce the new face of the NBA to the nation. LBJ got sooo many bail out fould calls to put him on the line it wasn't even funny. That's the biggest reason LBJ was polarizing because people could plainly see he was getting enormous favoritism without having to have earned it.
Bottomline I agree with you in a way, every team's superstar needs help. Jordan needed Pippen, Shaq needed Kobe, Bird needed McHale, magic needed Karim etc. etc. but LBJ needs 2! DWade AND Bosh!=P
NBA aint fixed fool! LJ gets some calls but not for a whole damn season

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#123 Mar 25, 2013
the Voice of Reason_VII wrote:
<quoted text>NBA aint fixed fool! LJ gets some calls but not for a whole damn season
I agree with u on these topics

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#124 Mar 26, 2013
the Voice of Reason_VII wrote:
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NBA aint fixed fool! LJ gets some calls but not for a whole damn season
Again, people twist what I say...I never said the NBA was rigged or predetermined or fixed even though there is evidence that says it's been before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Match_fixing . You can also look at what Stern let the Miami Heat do with LBJ and Bosh but stepped in and disallowed the Lakers from getting Paul even though New Orleans would have been much better off with Pau and Odom than they inevitably were.

I said that LBJ's rookie season that lead to a Finals appearance was all hype and completely money driven to introduce the NBA's new face of the next several decades with the biggest bang possible as the previously touted face of the NBA damaged the league by being brought up on rape charges. The NBA couldn't afford to wait for LBJ and the usual 2+ years it takes for one to get established. They needed a new face and a new identity and LBJ was it and still is.

LBJ was likeable, fresh, young and extremely talented BUT he was not a "king" and didn't deserve a "king's" treatment then either as he'd won nothing. LBJ almost every time he drove to the basket would use his off arm to "hook" or "clear-out" or "shield" a defender and give him the ability to beat the first man on him and per NBA rules you can't do that but how many times was or is he called for "hooking"? Really never. He still does it to this day though not as much. LBJ also received the benefit of getting favorable foul calls too especially in key final seconds situations even though replays (if shown) would show he wasn't even touched.

I like LBJ and respect his tremendous game and all the good he does for the less fortunate and most of this is my opinion but some of this is fact as to how LBJ was gifted Jordan type favoritism before establishing himself as worthy of it.

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