HR record for shortstops belongs back...

HR record for shortstops belongs back with Cubs' Ernie Banks

There are 17 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Feb 9, 2009, titled HR record for shortstops belongs back with Cubs' Ernie Banks. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Ernie Banks deserves to have his record restored. In 1958, Banks was 6 feet 1 inch and 175 pounds when he led the majors with 47 home runs and 129 RBIs while playing shortstop for the Cubs .

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Chicago, IL

#1 Feb 9, 2009
Fred, you are right! The record needs to be restored to its rightful owner, good old number 14, Mr. Let's Play Two!
If they are gonna harpoon McGwire, Sosa and Bonds, then add Aroid to the list and nullify any of his records, too,
distressed

Chicago, IL

#2 Feb 9, 2009
Banks' record should be restored. They should restore all records that were beat by cheating. Of course that's impossible because who knows what records fell because of cheating. This will forever be known as The Dark Ages of Baseball. Greedy, selfish and egomanic players sullied the good name of baseball. We should no longer bemoan the Black Sox or Charlie Hustle. This is far, far worse because it illegitemates baseball records forever.
HOLYcow

Bradenton, FL

#3 Feb 10, 2009
The way things are right now, the guy with the most home runs, the guy with the most hits, and arguably the best pitcher in history are not in the Hall-of-Fame.

At least the guy with the most stolen bases made it...whooppeee!!!

Or wait a second, do any of us actually know if the players of yore used anything to enhance their play?
Maybe Babe Ruth fired one up on the way to the game to take the edge off his hangovers. Hasn't it been proven that it can improve the vision of some? After all, all I hear about Ruth is that he amazed all his team mates that he could go out and drink all night and still play the next day like he had been sleeping all night. Why were they "amazed" that he could do such a thing? Were they trying to tell us something, but couldn't come out with it because of Ruth's popularity. Maybe that should be investigated through dna samples......

And if we are striking all the records of Bonds, Rose, Clemens, A-Rod, etc. and keeping guys like McQuire and Sosa from ever being mentioned again, why aren't we making teams that won with these players on their teams forfeit trophies?

The only answer to this is to just let it go, let their records stand, and challenge the players now and of the future to beat those records, which is what records are all about.....made to be broken. And when they are, they will be cherished more than ever.

After all, didn't those players play in the games under the supervision of MLB?
jables

Orlando, FL

#4 Feb 10, 2009
I don't understand how we would go about "restoring" records to previous owners. Does that mean we erase all of the numbers that any steroid user has down, as if they never played? Do their team numbers no longer exist? Do we retroactively change the teams records that had "cheaters". If that player was on a WS team, do we take away their ring and pennent? If you are all serious about restoring records all of these things would have to be down. And since the vast majority of players were on roids in the last decade, the record book would have to show the sport not being played at all in the 1990s and 2000s. Athletes of all sports and of all eras had their vices. Let us just move on.
Jason

Englewood, CO

#5 Feb 10, 2009
How can this guy relate EVERY story to the Cubs?
Greg

Cicero, IL

#6 Feb 10, 2009
Ernie Banks used to overdose on PMA every day.
Tom

Muskego, WI

#7 Feb 10, 2009
I totally agree Ernie's record for shortstops should be restored. His was a tremendous achievement. Hey! Hey!

While we are at it the records of Hank Aaron and Roger Maris should be restored. With the disgraced Bonds and A-Roid, Aaron's 755 homers should last for a long long time.
Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#8 Feb 10, 2009
distressed wrote:
Banks' record should be restored. They should restore all records that were beat by cheating. Of course that's impossible because who knows what records fell because of cheating. This will forever be known as The Dark Ages of Baseball. Greedy, selfish and egomanic players sullied the good name of baseball. We should no longer bemoan the Black Sox or Charlie Hustle. This is far, far worse because it illegitemates baseball records forever.
Gosh...I hope you can recover.
You gonna be OK?
Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#9 Feb 10, 2009
HOLYcow wrote:
The way things are right now, the guy with the most home runs, the guy with the most hits, and arguably the best pitcher in history are not in the Hall-of-Fame.
At least the guy with the most stolen bases made it...whooppeee!!!
Or wait a second, do any of us actually know if the players of yore used anything to enhance their play?
Maybe Babe Ruth fired one up on the way to the game to take the edge off his hangovers. Hasn't it been proven that it can improve the vision of some? After all, all I hear about Ruth is that he amazed all his team mates that he could go out and drink all night and still play the next day like he had been sleeping all night. Why were they "amazed" that he could do such a thing? Were they trying to tell us something, but couldn't come out with it because of Ruth's popularity. Maybe that should be investigated through dna samples......
And if we are striking all the records of Bonds, Rose, Clemens, A-Rod, etc. and keeping guys like McQuire and Sosa from ever being mentioned again, why aren't we making teams that won with these players on their teams forfeit trophies?
The only answer to this is to just let it go, let their records stand, and challenge the players now and of the future to beat those records, which is what records are all about.....made to be broken. And when they are, they will be cherished more than ever.
After all, didn't those players play in the games under the supervision of MLB?
So Mr. Cow.
We should dig up The Babe and see if he smoked a joint once or twice?
Was this written by an actual cow?
Kevin

Bartlett, IL

#10 Feb 10, 2009
Fred, could you give us a little more than a few stats to support why you believe he deserves this record back? It's an interesting topic, but you don't even get into why you think this should be the case. There was no drug policy in place at the time. How can you take a record away if it wasn't against the rules?

www.chicagosportsslant.com
Bill

Iowa City, IA

#11 Feb 10, 2009
My spin is this: I personally maintain my own set of records...

HR's in a season - Maris 61
HR's in a career - Aaron 744
HR's by a shortstop in a season - Mr Cub!

etc. etc. etc.
Greg

Cicero, IL

#12 Feb 10, 2009
Bill wrote:
My spin is this: I personally maintain my own set of records...
HR's in a season - Maris 61
HR's in a career - Aaron 744
HR's by a shortstop in a season - Mr Cub!
etc. etc. etc.
Geez. I didn't realize Aaron Miles has hit so many home runs.
Greg

Cicero, IL

#13 Feb 10, 2009
Nada Surf wrote:
<quoted text>So Mr. Cow.
We should dig up The Babe and see if he smoked a joint once or twice?
Was this written by an actual cow?
That would be interesting. I'm sure an autopsy would reveal a lot of alcohol, hot dogs and tobacco.
jon

Englewood, CO

#14 Feb 10, 2009
Nada Surf wrote:
<quoted text>Gosh...I hope you can recover.
You gonna be OK?
now you are polluting baseball forums too? just stick to providing worthless facts about the bulls ok.
Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#15 Feb 10, 2009
jon wrote:
<quoted text>
now you are polluting baseball forums too? just stick to providing worthless facts about the bulls ok.
You're gonna hate this, but I'm more of a baseball guy.

Summer is coming!
Nada
Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#16 Feb 10, 2009
Bill wrote:
My spin is this: I personally maintain my own set of records...
HR's in a season - Maris 61
HR's in a career - Aaron 744
HR's by a shortstop in a season - Mr Cub!
etc. etc. etc.
I'm sure you grip that 1908 title firmly, too.
distressed

Chicago, IL

#17 Feb 10, 2009
Nada Surf: I'll be OK, but baseball won't.

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