Bulls' emphasis on offense a survival...

Bulls' emphasis on offense a survival tactic

There are 34 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Dec 22, 2008, titled Bulls' emphasis on offense a survival tactic. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Back in the rough-and-tumble days of the Bad Boy Pistons and the Michael Jordan -led Bulls, what Ben Gordon mentioned casually and innocently Monday would have curled Bill Laimbeer's lip and perhaps brought a ...

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RKA

United States

#21 Dec 23, 2008
I see it stated that Paxson destroyed and messed this team up? Exactly what did he destroy or mess up? Jerry Krause championship winning machines of 98-2002? The Bulls were complete garbage when he took over.

He added Scott Skiles, a no non-sense head coach that believed in D, wayyyyyyyyy better then Tim Floyd and Cartwright. He assembled a team of youngsters from winning college programs and they competed hard. Curry wouldn't take the DNA test, so he was sent packing. Chandler didn't like Skiles, So Wallace was signed and Tyson and his 60 million was traded. So Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, Andres, and Thomas remain from the 49-33 team.

Fans unfairly critize Vinny or Paxson when the team doesn't win. People fail to realize that the core players stop giving a rats rear end and stopped playing as hard.

Oh, then there is out of the blue trade ideas that people forget the other team has to agree to. This isn't NBA Live or 2K9 and just because you throw an offer out there it's going to be accepted.
1800STFU

Lincolnshire, IL

#22 Dec 23, 2008
To break up the team, you'd still have to make some trades. Unfortunatley in the NBA, contracts are guaranteed so in order to trade garbage you need to get garbage back. No thanks. I'll keep Hughes and his 12 mil exp in 2010, and I'd also try to sign Gordon and get rid of Deng. Without Gordon, they wouldn't be an offensive team at all.
Who you kidding? If Gordon and Hughes were gone right now who's gonna score? Jump shot Tyrus? Can't buy a bucket Deng? Maybe cement shoe Gray? Good luck with those lineups.
By the way, I'd rather not tank this season again, we dont need anymore draft picks and young "talent". We need veteran big guys.
Tiffany

United States

#23 Dec 23, 2008
mothers against drunk driving?????i dont get that part but,injuries can be a bad thing to a player,especially to a playoff team like the bulls.im convinced that they will make it to the playoffs,hopefully if everyone get shots to fall and sty healthy
RKA

Phoenixville, PA

#24 Dec 23, 2008
Tiffany wrote:
mothers against drunk driving?????i dont get that part but,injuries can be a bad thing to a player,especially to a playoff team like the bulls.im convinced that they will make it to the playoffs,hopefully if everyone get shots to fall and sty healthy
you spelled mad with an extra D. M.A.D.D. is an organization or mothers that's against drunk drivers. He was being sarcastic.
Vinny Scott Baio

Lincolnshire, IL

#25 Dec 23, 2008
Nada Surf wrote:
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A true Bulls fan should be pulling for them to lose NOW so that they will break up this team of selfish players and move onto a new unit. This Un-Watcha-Bull team is a pretender to make the playoffs loaded with creatures that won't be here next season. Reinsdorf is too smart to allow this to continue...
Gordon HURTS Rose by demanding the ball too often. Rose should be running this team with Sefalosha next to him.
Gooden HURTS this team by taking playing time away from Thomas.
Hughes is such a poor team player that if you put him on the Boston Celtics right now, they wouldn't make the playoffs.
Honestly one of the dumbest things I have read on here in awhile. A true Bulls fan wants the team to lose this season? Are you insane? A true fan would want his/her team to win all the time, no matter if the players are selfish or cry-babies or whatever. So we should lose so we can get even more young players on this team? We're the youngest team in the league and it shows in our lack of being able to close out games.

As for Gordon taking minutes from Sefolosha and demanding the ball all the time, puh-leez. Gordon is our leading scorer and honestly is the only player on the team that has got a good thing going with Rose, which is why he is averaging career highs right now. Sefolosha is soft, can't dribble or drive with his left, and is not a very good shooter. With defenses now collapsing and double teaming Rose, Gordon's scoring ability is absolutely essential to this team's success.

Thomas over Gooden!? What have you been smoking? Gooden is consistent, now I don't think he's our answer in the post, but until Thomas can show some ACTUAL consistency, I would be playing the guy who's contributed night in and out all season, and that's Gooden.

As for the comment about selfish players who won't be here, I can tell you that the Bulls will try and resign both Gordon and Gooden in the offseason. Hughes will more than likely be traded, which no loss there. Gordon is too essential to this team's scoring that we can't possibly let him leave.

Why don't you heap some of this criticism onto our $71mill paperweight known as Luol Deng? We should have paid Gordon and traded Deng a long time ago. He will never be a star and will never average over 20 a game.
Vinny Scott Baio

Lincolnshire, IL

#26 Dec 23, 2008
On a sidenote: I got to believe that Gordon is the only leading scorer on a team that gets no love from his home fans.

Now why is that? It can't just be his lack of defense, which really isn't that bad. Or lack of height, or suspect ball handling. Seriously, why do so many people hate him? We are talking about a guy who is the ultimate professional, never complains, comes to work early and stays late, and always gives 110%. Every season, with the exception of last year, he has significantly progressed. He has lead the team in scoring 4 of the 5 years he's been here, but he still gets no respect.

And what irks me more is that no one is talking about how selfish a player Deng is. There's your selfish player right there. He was mad when Vinny said the offense would run thru Rose, and was trying to counter act that by hogging the ball whenever he got it early in the season. Finally, he has started to see that he needs to play in this system or he will never succeed. And believe me, he was one of the players clamoring for Skiles to be fired last year, and helped divide the team. I have inside sources who can back this up. Yet since he gives alot to charity, he gets a free pass or something. It's total BS and I hope more fans start seeing how much of a mistake it was to give this injury-prone softee $71mill.
Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#27 Dec 23, 2008
RKA wrote:
I see it stated that Paxson destroyed and messed this team up? Exactly what did he destroy or mess up? Jerry Krause championship winning machines of 98-2002? The Bulls were complete garbage when he took over.
He added Scott Skiles, a no non-sense head coach that believed in D, wayyyyyyyyy better then Tim Floyd and Cartwright. He assembled a team of youngsters from winning college programs and they competed hard. Curry wouldn't take the DNA test, so he was sent packing. Chandler didn't like Skiles, So Wallace was signed and Tyson and his 60 million was traded. So Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, Andres, and Thomas remain from the 49-33 team.
Fans unfairly critize Vinny or Paxson when the team doesn't win. People fail to realize that the core players stop giving a rats rear end and stopped playing as hard.
Oh, then there is out of the blue trade ideas that people forget the other team has to agree to. This isn't NBA Live or 2K9 and just because you throw an offer out there it's going to be accepted.
Look where you are.
These people are fun to laugh at, at least.
Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#28 Dec 23, 2008
1800STFU wrote:
To break up the team, you'd still have to make some trades. Unfortunatley in the NBA, contracts are guaranteed so in order to trade garbage you need to get garbage back. No thanks. I'll keep Hughes and his 12 mil exp in 2010, and I'd also try to sign Gordon and get rid of Deng. Without Gordon, they wouldn't be an offensive team at all.
Who you kidding? If Gordon and Hughes were gone right now who's gonna score? Jump shot Tyrus? Can't buy a bucket Deng? Maybe cement shoe Gray? Good luck with those lineups.
By the way, I'd rather not tank this season again, we dont need anymore draft picks and young "talent". We need veteran big guys.
I'll try to explain this to you geniuses one more time, slowly...
Losing Gordon would mean: 1. Rose dominates. 2. Sefalosha plays along with Hinrich and Hunter. 3. The 21 points per game that Gordon allows because he's too small to play defense won't be there anymore...

Losing Hughes means the Bulls would not have the worst player in organized team sports history...
Losing Gooden would mean there would be playing time for Thomas and Deng would get more shots and can earn his salary. It would also rid the Bulls of the game's stupidest player.
Do you actually feel that the 2008-09 Un-Watcha-Bulls are going anywhere with this team now?
Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#29 Dec 23, 2008
Vinny Scott Baio wrote:
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Honestly one of the dumbest things I have read on here in awhile. A true Bulls fan wants the team to lose this season? Are you insane? A true fan would want his/her team to win all the time, no matter if the players are selfish or cry-babies or whatever. So we should lose so we can get even more young players on this team? We're the youngest team in the league and it shows in our lack of being able to close out games.
As for Gordon taking minutes from Sefolosha and demanding the ball all the time, puh-leez. Gordon is our leading scorer and honestly is the only player on the team that has got a good thing going with Rose, which is why he is averaging career highs right now. Sefolosha is soft, can't dribble or drive with his left, and is not a very good shooter. With defenses now collapsing and double teaming Rose, Gordon's scoring ability is absolutely essential to this team's success.
Thomas over Gooden!? What have you been smoking? Gooden is consistent, now I don't think he's our answer in the post, but until Thomas can show some ACTUAL consistency, I would be playing the guy who's contributed night in and out all season, and that's Gooden.
As for the comment about selfish players who won't be here, I can tell you that the Bulls will try and resign both Gordon and Gooden in the offseason. Hughes will more than likely be traded, which no loss there. Gordon is too essential to this team's scoring that we can't possibly let him leave.
Why don't you heap some of this criticism onto our $71mill paperweight known as Luol Deng? We should have paid Gordon and traded Deng a long time ago. He will never be a star and will never average over 20 a game.
You are one clueless Bulls' fan.
Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#30 Dec 23, 2008
Vinny Scott Baio wrote:
On a sidenote: I got to believe that Gordon is the only leading scorer on a team that gets no love from his home fans.
Now why is that? It can't just be his lack of defense, which really isn't that bad. Or lack of height, or suspect ball handling. Seriously, why do so many people hate him? We are talking about a guy who is the ultimate professional, never complains, comes to work early and stays late, and always gives 110%. Every season, with the exception of last year, he has significantly progressed. He has lead the team in scoring 4 of the 5 years he's been here, but he still gets no respect.
And what irks me more is that no one is talking about how selfish a player Deng is. There's your selfish player right there. He was mad when Vinny said the offense would run thru Rose, and was trying to counter act that by hogging the ball whenever he got it early in the season. Finally, he has started to see that he needs to play in this system or he will never succeed. And believe me, he was one of the players clamoring for Skiles to be fired last year, and helped divide the team. I have inside sources who can back this up. Yet since he gives alot to charity, he gets a free pass or something. It's total BS and I hope more fans start seeing how much of a mistake it was to give this injury-prone softee $71mill.
Is this your first year of watching organized basketball?
Who would name himself after that sissy Scott Baio, anyway?
MN Catalano

Schaumburg, IL

#31 Dec 24, 2008
Does anyone else sense ( anything positive ) toward this 'group' of players: BY THE LACK of comments ? I don't think so. Do Not Fault VDN. The Ultimate Responsibility, For FAILURE, should Always reside within the TOP ! And, YOU KNOW WHAT ? BIG F A T D A D D Y, Jerry R.( aka, MR Money Bags ) Does Not Care.
MN Catalano

Schaumburg, IL

#32 Dec 24, 2008
Also, I tend to AGREE with Mr V. S. Baio. This man's got 'things' in a true perspective. We've ALL got our opinions: No Matter how IGNORANT some are :))).
Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#33 Dec 24, 2008
MN Catalano wrote:
Also, I tend to AGREE with Mr V. S. Baio. This man's got 'things' in a true perspective. We've ALL got our opinions: No Matter how IGNORANT some are :))).
You are correct when you say Scott Baio is ignorant.
Peter

El Paso, TX

#34 Dec 29, 2008
Bulls almost to a man play lazy, hoist too many bad shots, play way too much one on one, stand around and almost no defense. They are not fun to watch anymore so I'll change the channel.

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