Bulls beat Nets 113-104

Bulls beat Nets 113-104

There are 30 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Dec 13, 2008, titled Bulls beat Nets 113-104. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Ben Gordon scored 29 points and Derrick Rose had nine of his 22 in the fourth quarter to lead the Chicago Bulls to a 113-104 victory over the New Jersey Nets on Saturday night.

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michael p coy

Oswego, IL

#1 Dec 13, 2008
Lets not get overly excited about this win. Talking about a team that stays in spin cycle. You only can up grade the Nets, Wizards, Hawks, Bobcats, Bulls, etc. one way. Thats by removing 5 teams from the league for good and the talent level would be upgraded to the point where Lazy, Me First, Bonehead Players, would have less of a chance making it.........Unless your GM can't judge talent?
Sean

Wilmette, IL

#2 Dec 13, 2008
I was at the game, great game to watch. The Bulls showed us a lot of flash which we are not used to seeing outside of the prodigy Derrick Rose. Hopefully the bigs can keep it up but that is very unlikely but they are both better than big Aaron.
Hilsto

Rockford, IL

#3 Dec 13, 2008
Someone should tell Thomas and Noah that they can expect good things to happen like that when they actually run the court. The big gripe about them has been they don't do that kind of effort consistently. It isn't a matter of playing time it is a matter of getting yourself to the right spot consistently instead of flat footing it all the time. Skiles had the same complaint. They hustled tonight. They need to hustle every game. Not just sometimes. They are young guys. They should be able to do that.
Mel

United States

#4 Dec 13, 2008
Love the home game wins but the Bulls remain a .500 club unless they concentrate more on defense and stop settling for jump shots on the road. Right now the Bulls are one of those stuck-in-the-middle teams that can last quite a while. But with Derrick Rose and the rest of the Bulls who can at least hustle maybe they're headed in the right direction.
Gus

Orlando, FL

#5 Dec 14, 2008
OK, Tyrus. Now bring it every practice and gane.
Shorewood

Shorewood, IL

#6 Dec 14, 2008
The question is not "Can they play;" the question is "Will they play."

Skiles knew it. VDN knows it. Paxson knows it. Hell, even we know it.
Fire Pax

Waynesville, NC

#7 Dec 14, 2008
Did you guys see Ben Gordon give it to Derrick in the last minute of the game? Shocking!!! Good choice looks like they are finally learning that he is by far the best go to guy on the team. Gordon is a good scorer but crunch time success has alluded him ever since his rookie year.

It was good to see Tyrus finally play solid for a whole game not just in spurts. This team is not a playoff team because Paxson is an idiot and for that reason they should put more effort into developing the youngsters.

Tyrus should be getting 30+ minutes when he is playing well. If he doesn't put forth the effort then you could sit him to send a message but otherwise he should be playing.
Wisconsin Reader

Whitehall, WI

#8 Dec 14, 2008
Ok . . . The Bulls won a game and Thomas and Noah did something. Thomas did well and Noah did what Noah does - which is not all that much. . . The Bulls still have an incredibly weak front line - including their bench. . . Paxson still needs to get some physical big guys who can play - that requirement obviously excludes Noah and let's see if Thomas can become consistently decent rather than consistently mediocre. . .
Florida Jim

Altamonte Springs, FL

#9 Dec 14, 2008
Why can't we get this every night from Noah and Thomas?
When they put forth a good effort every time down court good things happen when they pout, moan over a call or a missed opportunity the Bulls suffer and they get the venom of fans. All we ask is good effort every play just like they would do in a big playoff game.
Alex

Chicago, IL

#10 Dec 14, 2008
NO-Shot Noah is a big mouth clown who is lazy, weak & out of shape.....Vinnie should be ashamed of putting this putz on the floor. NO-Shot does Not have an upside..........

KC is a Pax rear kisser..........
Rapier

Schererville, IN

#11 Dec 14, 2008
Thomas needs a pep talk by Tony Saprano and the consequences of sulking and bellyaching while being paid a lot of money and nothing to show for it.

Noah looks like Disney's Goofy. Arms and legs frailing every which way as he stumbles up and down the court. Other team owners are say great first round draft pick, Bulls.
Matt

Trumbull, CT

#12 Dec 14, 2008
Fire Pax wrote:
Did you guys see Ben Gordon give it to Derrick in the last minute of the game? Shocking!!! Good choice looks like they are finally learning that he is by far the best go to guy on the team. Gordon is a good scorer but crunch time success has alluded him ever since his rookie year.
It was good to see Tyrus finally play solid for a whole game not just in spurts. This team is not a playoff team because Paxson is an idiot and for that reason they should put more effort into developing the youngsters.
Tyrus should be getting 30+ minutes when he is playing well. If he doesn't put forth the effort then you could sit him to send a message but otherwise he should be playing.
I guess you didn't watch the game.
Gordon made the three that put the Bulls ahead, 99-96.
Based on the article, Gordon barely played in the game.
Blegf

Willowbrook, IL

#13 Dec 14, 2008
It's not just effort. Tyrus and Joakim also lack skill. Have you seen either one finish a contested shot near the basket? How about make a scoring move from 5 feet? Tyrus is especially bad in that regard as he apparently never learned to do anything other than jump over the defender - which he cannot always do in the NBA. Both also lack the strength needed to play in the post. The trouble with Tyrus, as I see it, is that he thinks he could be Rudy Gay if only given the chance. Last night for example he dribbled between his legs a few time on the perimeter for no apparent reason other than to show he could do it I guess. The difference between him and Gay (not that Gay is a star or anything as he takes way tto many bad shots) is skill. Gay can dribble and shoot. Tyrus can't. Plus, for all his physical talent, Tyrus seems somewhat uncoordinated. Terrible draft pick at 4 (or 2 really) as his upside is maybe Bo Outlaw and there were far superior players available. Joakim was picked at 9 or so, and the alternative was spencer Hawes. Not a great pick, but at least Joakim can play center.
Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#14 Dec 14, 2008
Sean wrote:
I was at the game, great game to watch. The Bulls showed us a lot of flash which we are not used to seeing outside of the prodigy Derrick Rose. Hopefully the bigs can keep it up but that is very unlikely but they are both better than big Aaron.
Why would anyone pay to see the Bulls right now?
Nada Surf

Mesa, AZ

#15 Dec 14, 2008
Thomas is going to be a dominant player.
It's been a wild ride and it's gonna be even more wild in the months to come, but he's going to be a dominant player.
Now, if the Bulls would just let go of the cloggers (Gooden, Gordon and Hughes) and play the YOUNG GUYS since they are going NOWHERE this year, this could turn out to be an exciting and worthwhile season.
Art Thomas

Bloomingdale, IL

#16 Dec 14, 2008
Blegf wrote:
It's not just effort. Tyrus and Joakim also lack skill. Have you seen either one finish a contested shot near the basket? How about make a scoring move from 5 feet? Tyrus is especially bad in that regard as he apparently never learned to do anything other than jump over the defender - which he cannot always do in the NBA. Both also lack the strength needed to play in the post. The trouble with Tyrus, as I see it, is that he thinks he could be Rudy Gay if only given the chance. Last night for example he dribbled between his legs a few time on the perimeter for no apparent reason other than to show he could do it I guess. The difference between him and Gay (not that Gay is a star or anything as he takes way tto many bad shots) is skill. Gay can dribble and shoot. Tyrus can't. Plus, for all his physical talent, Tyrus seems somewhat uncoordinated. Terrible draft pick at 4 (or 2 really) as his upside is maybe Bo Outlaw and there were far superior players available. Joakim was picked at 9 or so, and the alternative was spencer Hawes. Not a great pick, but at least Joakim can play center.
Not that what you said was untrue but there is a larger story and other dimension that your comments fail to acknowledge. Everyone can't be MJ or Kobe and bring the total package of athleticism and skill to the court. Some players like Noah and Thomas will succeed and receive their acclaim when they bring energy, combativeness, hustle, height, length, speed, hops on a regular basis, especially when it affects outcomes in games, like it did last night. As has been noted previously, what the Bulls have lacked when they look bad (and that's a lot of the time) is swagger, defiance and a take-no-prisoners attitude. The Bulls last night had that and guys like Thomas, Noah, and Rose radiated that at key times during the game. You could see it in their body language when timeouts were called or when persistence paid off or when an alley-oop dunk was made. Those kind of plays are contagious, emotionally uplifting, and confidence inspiring. They can make a tangible difference in lifting this very mediocre team into at least a competitive, spirited and battling team which they are going to have to do in order to play with the better teams in the League. So, yes, if Pax could improve his front line but acquiring someone with broader skills and more physical strength/toughness, let him go for it. But in meantime, VDN and company need to maximize the finite skills, athleticism and youthful exuberance that Thomas, Noah, Sefalosha bring to the table. It can still be the difference in games when that energy, desire, and bravado are channeled positively. Last night's game is Exhibit A.
Mike in South Loop

Chicago, IL

#17 Dec 14, 2008
If only this were the turning point. Fact is, it's probably an anomaly. We're suckered into believing this guys will make controlled, focused efforts like this and then they'll go three games without making any real effort.

http://stillbullishinchicago.blogspot.com/
slaughterhouse lives

AOL

#18 Dec 14, 2008
Noah (My Bwoyz) scores three (3) pernts and you give him applause? Are you his daddy or sumpin'?

So it goes.
Dean Hickstein

Lake Geneva, WI

#19 Dec 14, 2008
Sure they look good against Yi and Lopez but what happens when they play against real players?
Lamar

Brooklyn, NY

#20 Dec 14, 2008
Hey Art,

Another problem is, look who is the team Capt. Deng & Kurt. How can Deng justify that 71 mil. contract with is play out there on the floor. I see him trying to tell Rose, Gordon & others out there on the what they should be doing. How can they respect him ? He know's he not worth this much money and his teamates know that too. Did anyone notice how Deng was a non factor in the game. Noce, Hughes & Gordon played better D on Carter than Deng, which is sad. Why should they listen too him, he has not proven anything to me yet, I look forward when Hughes comes in the game for Deng sometimes even though I hate Larry's game, but he has some talent. Trade Deng now !!!! He is too damn weak, never goes to the basket anymore. Everyone gets on Gooden & Tyrus for taking long bad shots, how about Vinny tells that to Deng. Deng will never be a go to guy on this team when we have Rose & Gordon playing the way they are. When Deng went out the game which was for a very longtime, the Bulls went on a run & did not miss Deng at all.
We dont need Deng at all, trade him for Zach Randolph striaght up. You now have a big, who can post up & will bring toughness and swagger to your team. Once Deng is gone, you have space at SF for Noce, Larry, Thabo.

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