Pacers start Western swing with loss

Pacers start Western swing with loss

There are 53 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jan 7, 2008, titled Pacers start Western swing with loss. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

The start seemed promising for the Indiana Pacers against the Los Angeles Lakers.

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Newport Beach, CA

#44 Jan 7, 2008
good to see some of the idiots who post here talking about actual basketball on an article about basketball.

seriously, are you going to call for bird to get fired after every loss? bird is a great gm, he brought in o'brien who could/should end up being coach of the year easily.

pacers went up against a top western team (lakers), and played them straight up until getting frozen at 85 points for 9 possessions. this is all despite friendly home calls that put our guys in unwarranted foul trouble and served up some freebies. with tinsley hopefully back soon look for the pacers to start knocking off more teams like the lakers.

looking back on last night's game, i disagree with the charge that the pacers did not play good D (even dunleavy) or play with intensity. holding the lakers to 112 isn't bad, considering the free throws and d fishers 3 spree in the last few minutes after the game was kaput. dunleavy was playing some good d on kobe in the early part of the game.

JO sadly isn't doing much, but we don't have many options to trade. occasionally he'll put in a 20 - 10 effort, but that won't win the game, especially when he's not go to, tinsley, dunleavy and granger will have to improve their clutch performance, maybe give reggie a call for some pointers.

Since: Dec 06


#45 Jan 7, 2008
The way the bench of the Lakers played us and the obvious jocular behavior by the Lakers starters as they sat on the bench wasn't cool.

I don't mind a few losses but when an opponent acts like they're doing us a favor by putting 20 points on us ...
Indy fan

Chesterfield, MO

#46 Jan 7, 2008
Pacers should not have demanded both Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum for Jermaine O'Neal. They should have just gotten Bynum when they had the chance this summer. Bynum is outplaying O'Neal! He's got more passion and most importantly, more potential!

Marysville, OH

#47 Jan 7, 2008
Pacers are a joke

Cumberland, MD

#48 Jan 7, 2008
Larry Bird has to go. He has done a horrible job of evaluating talent. It is obvious to any living person that the Pacers got bent over in the trade with Golden State. However, wer are stuck with it for years to come. Dunleavy and Murphy could not defend someone if they were in a chain gang. Since the Pacers are stuck with the two worst contracts in the history of the NBA for years to come they have to find another way to get better. The Obvious choice is to trade O'Neal or wait until the off season when he opts out of his contract. The other option is trading Tinsley. When he actually plays this season he puts up great stats for a point guard. However, he is almost as bad at defense as Dunleavy. A team can not hope to win anything when 3 of the 5 starters ranks amoung the worst defenders in NBA history. Trading starting caliber talent for guys that are bench players at best is not a way to win a champion.
whiz kid

Clearfield, PA

#49 Jan 7, 2008
gotta have tinsley back in the lineup.

Gotta go.
whiz kid

Clearfield, PA

#50 Jan 7, 2008
you holler to get rid of Jackson, he gone

you holler to get rid of artest, he gone

you holler to get rid of Bender, he gone

you holler to get rid of harrington TWICE, he gone TWICE

you holler to get rid of Carlisle, he gone

you holler too much

Thousand Oaks, CA

#51 Jan 7, 2008
The Slide Continues wrote:
The Pacers came out shooting well but then continued their usual inconsistancy. The same problems showed themselves again.
JO got out played by the opposing teams big men.
Dunleavy lit it up offensively and guarded no one.
Murphy continues to pad his stats with meaningless rebounds. He never gets one when the team needs it.
Granger followed up a brilliant 32 point game with a 13 point effort. His inconsistancy continues.
Larry needs to pull the trigger on some trades. Even though he is the worst judge of talent in the league, he can't possibly make the team any worse
you said Granger is inconsistent... he is consistently averaging around 17 pts thats all he needs to do however he does need to come up with some defensive stops that change a game and make us wanna keep him

Thousand Oaks, CA

#52 Jan 7, 2008
Still hanging in there wrote:
The Pacers are definately getting their money's worth with JO. 19 million per year and he is averaging 13 and 7. Pacers would be lucky to get anything for him, unless a team who needs cap space is hoping he will opt out of his contract at the end of the season. It doesn't matter how many points the Pacers put up when you have no perimeter defense.

Thousand Oaks, CA

#53 Jan 7, 2008
timkav69 wrote:
At this stage of the season, the Pacers are a "nice" team. They look good when the jump shots are falling. However, looking at the season stats to date, one glaring weakness is that they are being outscored at the free throw line by nearly 8 FTs per game. This is indicative of a "soft" team. The only player who attacks the basket consistently is Tinsley.
A look at last night's box score is indicative of this; in a 16 point loss, the Pacers were outshot from the line by 21, and outscored by 19!
When the jumpers are falling they're fun to watch; when they're not, they have no chance against most teams.
Fix that, and you've got a chance to be a pretty good squad.
yes they need a guy that is known for and obviously fearless at taking it to the rack. Like you said our free-throw attempts are always lower than our opponents.

Greenfield, IN

#54 Jan 8, 2008
Other players go past Tinsley like a turnstile at the subway; he only slows you down a little bit. In fact that is what his nickname should be, Jamal Turnstile, kinda has a nice ring to it. While they keep stats on lots of things, one thing they don't keep stats on is how many times the guy you were defending gets to the rim.... Maybe along with "deflections" Jim's crew will start to keep stats on how many defensive "breakdowns" a player commits, then you would have the real story. The end result of that is somebody else fouling to keep the attacker from an easy basket. That guy gets the foul and soon he is sitting on the bench. He gets PO'ed because he is losing minutes, the whole team gets into foul trouble and nobody on the team is going to play well. If you look at the stat for "charges" you see that we collect a lot of those too. Many of them are a result of a defensive breakdown on the outside, and JO saves the day by stepping in an taking the charge, while it helps reverse the outside defensive breakdown, the bottom line is that there are problems on the outside defensive end and many time Jamal is the one out there not getting it done.

Also remember that if you have an up-tempo game you are going to have more possessions and see more assists per game. Maybe the stat should be how many assists per possessions, not how many in a game. If you look at assists per possession, I am sure that Jamal will fall down to the middle of the ranking, where he belongs.
Tinsley for president

Plymouth, MN

#55 Jan 8, 2008
whiz kid wrote:
you holler to get rid of Jackson, he gone
you holler to get rid of artest, he gone
you holler to get rid of Bender, he gone
you holler to get rid of harrington TWICE, he gone TWICE
you holler to get rid of Carlisle, he gone
you holler too much
Thatis hilarious and so true, these fans are the3 worse, they will holler until the is no longer a team in indiana, Tinsley is what have been missing and why we have dipped under .500, and he is not that bad on defense, he averages about 2 steals a game and last time I checked I thought if you get beat your teammate should step up, ya know, Team Defense

Indianapolis, IN

#56 Jan 8, 2008
Face it.
Those L.A. thugs are better than those Indy thugs.

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