Armstrong says Imus should be fired

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Add Indiana Pacers guard Darrell Armstrong to the growing number of people disturbed by radio personality Don Imus ' comments about the Rutgers women's basketball team.
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lexingtonporter

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Apr 12, 2007
 
MarkL wrote:
Here's the problem Crighton...
In rap songs and videos, WHAT artist singles out black women as HOES?
Go ahead and think about that for a second...
The answer is NOBODY. I repeat, NOBODY.
I have never heard Snoop, Nelly use the word black when discribing any HO in their songs. I have seen dozens of videos of these artists usings black, white, hispanic and asian women. When they say it, they mean ALL woman. Not to justify what they say, but understand that the reality is that no rap artist singles out a particular race when it comes to the word HO.
Back to Mr. Imus...
He pointed out a SPECIFIC group of women. He used the term "NAPPY." Nappy being a word used to denote the kink of a person's hair being of African decent.
When you again as a JOURNALIST denote a racist stereotype to castigate a group of people, you should be called on it.
Two "journalists" of African-American decent were fired within the last year. Harold Reynolds and Michael Irvin formerly of ESPN. Reynolds for sexually harrassing a assistant director on his show, Irvin for making the following comment - "Tony Romo has got to have some brother in him somewhere."
They were fired man, fired.
Wanna take bets on if they will ever have broadcast jobs again?
On the other hand, let's look at Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly. Two guys who are working right now. Rush you allready know about, from the drug scandal, to the ESPN remarks that got him fired, etc.. O'Reilly settled out of court on a suit that a FOX co-worker made against him. FOX did not fire him, did not repremand him, did not squat. He's still on the air like nothing ever happened.
Seems like white guys in journalism get the chance live again after making racist statements, and harassing the fairer sex, but blacks don't. It also seems that they get a pass when it comes to the public at-large.
Well they should not, and if Darrell Armstrong wishes to make a statement about it, he can do it without having having to pontificate on what his teammates do socially. His teammates do not call black women basketball players "HO's" in a public forum.
At least we agree about Imus.
This has to be the most ignorant rant I have ever saw. Who in the hell ever thought that Imus or Rush Limbaugh were journalist?
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Apr 12, 2007
 
lexingtonporter wrote:
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This has to be the most ignorant rant I have ever saw. Who in the hell ever thought that Imus or Rush Limbaugh were journalist?
YOU DIDN'T.

And that makes me ignorant? CNBC is an information-based journalistic formatted network. It is dedicated to news-based content. Imus, whether you wish to REALIZE it or not is a journalist/comentator, just as Limbaugh is. That is why the FCC regulates what they say.

The FCC does not regulate rap music, so when some ignorant person compares the two, they obviously do not understand which way is up.

Just like you.

Those who like in glass houses should not call others ignorant.
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Apr 12, 2007
 
Imus should have been fired but it's deeper than that. What about CBS AND MSNBC. How could they allow such filth to go on for years? Could it be because that's what they truly believe? Or is it to exploit negative, degrading, and deplorable remarks while hiding behind the shock jock? SHOCK JOCK IS AN ANOTHER TERM FOR RACISM, NEGATIVITY, and A BLIND EYE TO OTHERS. There was no cry from the others when Richardson, Tim Hardaway, and the NUT from Miami was fired over their deplorable remarks, so why all of the crying about IMUS? He was dead wrong and deserved to be fired from MSNBC AND from the radio station period. I hope CBS will not keep him, because that will reaffirm their beliefs to a certain extentů

The Rap Industry, the Heavy Metal (Devil Music) Industry, the Pop Industry, or the Music Industry and the TV industry need to be challenged to change their policies regarding deplorable and despicable language and scenes. What about the TV shows like Jerry Springer, Sex in the City, Soap Operas that show explicit sex, etc? Do we now demand TV stations to be accountable for what they show? You are right it's deeper than IMUS, but it's a product of BIG BUSINESS FROM THE TOP ($$$$). I say get rid of the junk on TV and Radio, hold the stations and BIG WIGS ACCOUNTABLE...
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Apr 12, 2007
 
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Wow. I don't even know where to begin. Your rant exhausts me. Why has this turned into a black/white issue? Because we have agendas, that is why. He should be punished because his attempt at being funny backfired. Had he characterized the Rutgers team as looking "manly" we would not be having this discussion. But the fact remains he did not, thus we are back to making this a race issue. I do not listen to Imus and could care less what happens to him. His words do not impact my job, my family, whether or not I enjoy my life, etc. Nor do they impact your life. You choose to make this an issue so you can rant and blame everything in your life on race. We are a pathetic culture. By the way, the examples that you use to support your argument make no senseand border on ignorant. Once again, they are just there to support your racism theory. On a related subject, surely you agree that Armstrong should be fired from the Pacers because of his basketball skills, don't you? Is that racist?
What does Darrell Armstrong's basketball skills have to do with this?

Nothing.

His words do not impact you because those kids don't look like you, don't have the same sensibilities as you.

Do you realize that you have some people who now believe that Imus' had every right to say what he did, and that Armstrong has no right to criticize it?

Un-be-freakin'-lieveable.

We do live in a racist society and another unbelievable thing is that white people are totally ignorant of it. "I am not a racist," Imus said. Well, just where did those words come from? This man has called blacks "gorillas" ON THE AIR! Said that "Cheap Jew" is a redundant phrase!

We are a "Pathetic culture" for defending our right to fight hate? And that is what racism is, hate. When it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, its duck huntin' season!

If you are a white guy and you think this is overblown, then that is par for the course, and really no shock to me. If you are a minority and you feel this way, you are probably sitting on a ton of money and lost touch with reality as soon as your rolodex filled up with the addresses of your rich white friends.

Racism in the US is inherant, prevelent, and systemic. Everytime progress is made in race equality, someone of your ilk says "We give them too much." You are the first ones to stand up and cry free speech, but only when it serves your point of view.

Congratulations champions of hypocracy, you certainly live in the right country for that, and you certainly have the right color to exercise that right. Black people obviously don't.
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Apr 12, 2007
 
MarkL wrote:
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YOU DIDN'T.
And that makes me ignorant? CNBC is an information-based journalistic formatted network. It is dedicated to news-based content. Imus, whether you wish to REALIZE it or not is a journalist/comentator, just as Limbaugh is. That is why the FCC regulates what they say.
The FCC does not regulate rap music, so when some ignorant person compares the two, they obviously do not understand which way is up.
Just like you.
Those who like in glass houses should not call others ignorant.
Just so you are not confused, MSNBC is also formatted in the vein of CNBC. That is why the Director of News for NBC fired IMUS.

THE DIRECTOR OF NEWS, as in News Journalism.
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Apr 12, 2007
 
Very well said MarkL. I totally agree on everything you said!!

Go Pacers!!

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Apr 12, 2007
 
wow, look at all the name calling in the forum. isnt that what started this thread?
the only people who have i right to be that upset is the Rutgers team. so a racist old man made a comment, big deal. ever heard sticks and stones, break my bones?
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Apr 12, 2007
 
Wooptie doo...easier said than done.
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MarkL wrote:
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What does Darrell Armstrong's basketball skills have to do with this?
Nothing.
His words do not impact you because those kids don't look like you, don't have the same sensibilities as you.
Do you realize that you have some people who now believe that Imus' had every right to say what he did, and that Armstrong has no right to criticize it?
Un-be-freakin'-lieveable.
We do live in a racist society and another unbelievable thing is that white people are totally ignorant of it. "I am not a racist," Imus said. Well, just where did those words come from? This man has called blacks "gorillas" ON THE AIR! Said that "Cheap Jew" is a redundant phrase!
We are a "Pathetic culture" for defending our right to fight hate? And that is what racism is, hate. When it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, its duck huntin' season!
If you are a white guy and you think this is overblown, then that is par for the course, and really no shock to me. If you are a minority and you feel this way, you are probably sitting on a ton of money and lost touch with reality as soon as your rolodex filled up with the addresses of your rich white friends.
Racism in the US is inherant, prevelent, and systemic. Everytime progress is made in race equality, someone of your ilk says "We give them too much." You are the first ones to stand up and cry free speech, but only when it serves your point of view.
Congratulations champions of hypocracy, you certainly live in the right country for that, and you certainly have the right color to exercise that right. Black people obviously don't.
Actually, I'm a native american, so please, convince me that I don't get racism. If anything, you need to get behind me in the "world is racist" line. You got what you wanted. Imus got fired. Congratulations. Let me know how your life was impacted. The fact remains that this was turned into a black vs. white issue. What did we learn from this? Did we make race relations better? Did we work on strengthening our differences? Nope. Our pathetic society instead chose to divide and tear down. Like I said before, everyone had an agenda in this matter. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had an excellent opportunity to take this negative situation and teach us something. Instead, they chose to divide and tear it apart and put the spotlight on themslves. Why, because if there is no black/white controversy, nobody cares about them. I'm sure MLK Jr. is pissed off right now knowing that these two represent the black community. Anyway, congratulations on your victory. I hope it is not a hollow one.
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Just so you are not confused, MSNBC is also formatted in the vein of CNBC. That is why the Director of News for NBC fired IMUS.
THE DIRECTOR OF NEWS, as in News Journalism.
I find it very convenient that you post your comments grouping journalist/commentator together as if they are one in the same thing. The format of CNBC MSNBC or PMSCBS has nothing to do with my original post concerning anyone who believes that this Imus guy or Rush Limbaugh are jounalist. Despite the set-up of any network which might carry their commentary they have never been considered journalist.

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Apr 12, 2007
 
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Please tell me who all are "Thugs" on this team. JO, Foster, Granger? Dunleavey? Yup, team full of thugs. Each and every one of them.
How retarted
JTT is right; the "thugs" I meant are Tinsley and Daniels (add to that former Pacers and still thugs Artest and Jackson). I think it is "rediculous" to call me "retarted" simply because I think that. The wonderful irony is that in defending the charge I made that the Pacers have "thugs" on their team, you called a guy with three mentally-handicapped family members (me) "retarted."

I think people like you are a CANCER in society. Hopefully you have a few family members with cancer so that the insult hits home properly.
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What about Jesse jackson! what about Al Sharpton! what about The Rappers!..... Shut up please! Is that all you people have to come back with DAMN!!!!!!!!!! They all are wrong There you happy now. but tell me When was the last time any of you stupied people listen to a radio station that plays rap music? When was the last time you heard on a rap song B***H or H* in a rap song played on air? The diffrence is between to is the pig (Imus) is spewed over the air waves everyday on TV and Radio and he is not bleeped when he say the raceist crap he talks on his program unlike the Rap songs that you people try to justife the PIG with. So basicly if you want to hear those words in a rap song you have to go and buy the damn CD to actually hear them. Now with that said how many of you lilly white people own a G-unit CD? Actually probly none of you do but I bet your Children does...lol but that is another subject. So if you going to come with the same mess most of you are talking it show's me one thing about you and that is your on a band wagon that is going no where for a raceist.... CBS, NBC and all the other companys that defended women and Black Americans I say to you GOOD ON YOU! and thank you very much lets weed these PIGS out and slater them something that is long over due.....
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Actually, I'm a native american, so please, convince me that I don't get racism. If anything, you need to get behind me in the "world is racist" line. You got what you wanted. Imus got fired. Congratulations. Let me know how your life was impacted. The fact remains that this was turned into a black vs. white issue. What did we learn from this? Did we make race relations better? Did we work on strengthening our differences? Nope. Our pathetic society instead chose to divide and tear down. Like I said before, everyone had an agenda in this matter. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had an excellent opportunity to take this negative situation and teach us something. Instead, they chose to divide and tear it apart and put the spotlight on themslves. Why, because if there is no black/white controversy, nobody cares about them. I'm sure MLK Jr. is pissed off right now knowing that these two represent the black community. Anyway, congratulations on your victory. I hope it is not a hollow one.
A dumb ass just becasue you white people say that these two represent us does not make it true... who are you to tell us who represent us? get a life.. Native American my a**...
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Apr 13, 2007
 
If you really feel the way you are posting then send this to everyone you know.

Here's a list of the companies that pulled their ads from IMUS.
WE NEED TO BOYCOTT ALL THESE COMPANIES! NO FREE SPEECH, NO 1st AMENDMENT RIGHTS, TOO MANY DOUBLE STANDARDS, WE NEED TO MAKE A STATEMENT TOO! BOYCOTT:
Staples
General Motors
Sprint Nextel
GlaxoSmithKline
Procter & Gamble
PetMed Express
American Express
Bigelow Tea
MSNBC
CBS
Take your children out of Rutgers

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A dumb ass just becasue you white people say that these two represent us does not make it true... who are you to tell us who represent us? get a life.. Native American my a**...
THEY say that they represent you. It is up to YOU to say that they do not.

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JTT is right; the "thugs" I meant are Tinsley and Daniels (add to that former Pacers and still thugs Artest and Jackson). I think it is "rediculous" to call me "retarted" simply because I think that. The wonderful irony is that in defending the charge I made that the Pacers have "thugs" on their team, you called a guy with three mentally-handicapped family members (me) "retarted."
I think people like you are a CANCER in society. Hopefully you have a few family members with cancer so that the insult hits home properly.
Listen bud,
My whole thing was about getting over the whole 'team full of thugs' thing. Its getting old. Secondly, yeah, I lost my father to cancer last year.(I'm 21 years old so yeah, it kind of hit home) However, that gives you no right to insult me and claim that I called you a 'Retard" knowing that you had some mentally handicapped people in your family..(supposedly)

More importantly... I said retarted over the whole *calling the pacers thugs* thing. Get over yourself. Get off of your high horse.

Oh, and truthfully, I find it really hard to be insulted when I read something somebody wrote from behind a computer screen. Another example of your immaturity. Throwing around your hollow insults while sitting safely behind your little glass house known as your computer screen.

I hope that nothing I said was insulting to you. I wouldn't want to stoop to your level.

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MILITARY MAN wrote:
What about Jesse jackson! what about Al Sharpton! what about The Rappers!..... Shut up please! Is that all you people have to come back with DAMN!!!!!!!!!! They all are wrong There you happy now. but tell me When was the last time any of you stupied people listen to a radio station that plays rap music? When was the last time you heard on a rap song B***H or H* in a rap song played on air? The diffrence is between to is the pig (Imus) is spewed over the air waves everyday on TV and Radio and he is not bleeped when he say the raceist crap he talks on his program unlike the Rap songs that you people try to justife the PIG with. So basicly if you want to hear those words in a rap song you have to go and buy the damn CD to actually hear them. Now with that said how many of you lilly white people own a G-unit CD? Actually probly none of you do but I bet your Children does...lol but that is another subject. So if you going to come with the same mess most of you are talking it show's me one thing about you and that is your on a band wagon that is going no where for a raceist.... CBS, NBC and all the other companys that defended women and Black Americans I say to you GOOD ON YOU! and thank you very much lets weed these PIGS out and slater them something that is long over due.....
I own a G-Unit Cd... but then again, I'm only 21 haha.
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I find it very convenient that you post your comments grouping journalist/commentator together as if they are one in the same thing. The format of CNBC MSNBC or PMSCBS has nothing to do with my original post concerning anyone who believes that this Imus guy or Rush Limbaugh are jounalist. Despite the set-up of any network which might carry their commentary they have never been considered journists
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"A journalist is a person who practices JOURNALISM, the gathering and dissemination of information about events, trends, issues and people."

Source - Wickipedia

Let's examine that Imus had a National audience. Let's also examine that he diseminated INFORMATION that to that audience. Case in point: A presidential candidate within the last month's time announced that he would run for the presidency on his show.
He has pontificated on a weekly basis for years, on political and social trends.

AND THE WINNING TICKET:

He talked about the NCAA National Division 1 Womens Runner up (People).

Journalists do give their personal opinion. Andy Rooney does it every week on 60 Minutes. What is the difference? You do not have to be a hard news guy to be a Journalist, you do not have to have the phrase "I AM A JOURNALIST" strapped to your butt on a daily basis to be considered one.

My statement that he is a journalist is not a statement of convienience. It is a matter of fact. Believe me, if the arguement would help him that he were a journalist, he would be shouting to the hills! Fact is, it does not help his cause that he is one, whether he wants to be labeled one or not.

If you don't wish for him to be labeled a journalist, then so be it. In your small world he can just be a lone nut, loose cannon, but a lone nut, loose cannon should not have the responsibility of having a show on MSNBC. Other NBC journalists told their bosses so, the sponsors told NBC so, and so Mr. Imus is free to ply his trade somewhere else.

And employee must serve the best intrests of his or her employer. If you had somebody that did not working for you, you would fire them. That is what CBS and NBC did, plain and simple. This is not a deal of free speech. Free speech is practiced by journalists every day in every corner of this country.

What you need to understand is that Imus WAS a journalist when he called women he did not know, "NAPPY-HEADED HOES." He was just not a ethical or responsible one.
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A dumb ass just becasue you white people say that these two represent us does not make it true... who are you to tell us who represent us? get a life.. Native American my a**...
Are you REALLY that ignorant? Maybe the military is the best place for you. You rant and rave that Imus is a racist. I am overwhelmed with sympathy for the young ladies at Rutgers. No one deserves to be referred to in such denigrating terms, and Imus is an idiot. I am equally underwhelmed by the efforts of the Revs. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and other black leaders of the black community who, so far, have been focused on one person (Imus, who is not black) while showing little effort to stem the flow of these slurs within the black community they purport to represent. Their harsh criticism for Imus ring more than a little hollow, considering their own histories-Mr. Jackson referring to New York City as "Hymietown" in 1984 (clearly Jews should have been rightly upset with that) and Mr. Sharpton's connection to the false allegations of the rape of Tawana Brawley in 1987, which he continually exploited for his own political purposes even though he knew the case was a hoax. My point, which you obviously missed or chose to ignore, is that many people, yourself included, see this incident as another black/white situation. It is not. It is a human dignity situation. Equality is more than racial equality. Equality is human dignity, which recognizes no color, ethnicity or gender. On the NBC "Today" show, Rev. Sharpton said the Imus firing was necessary because we cannot tolerate this kind of indignity on the public airways. He is right. So let him turn his energy to his own constituents and energize them to bring an end to rap, hip-hop, comedy, movies and other entertainment forms that glorify using such words and epithets with regard to anyone. If not, this man is nothing more than a fraud and a hypocrite that fans the flames of racism for his own personal gain. One more point. I am assuming that you do in fact support Jesse and Al as the voices of the black community and they do represent you. You were quick to jump on Imus, what makes Jesse and Al any different. Get some balls and criticize them if you don't agree with their tactics. Is there an unwritten rule that prevents you from criticizing another black man? Just curious.

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