O'Neal needs help from mates

O'Neal needs help from mates

There are 45 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 26, 2007, titled O'Neal needs help from mates. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Indiana Pacers forward Jermaine O'Neal was a missed jump shot at the buzzer from his first 40-point game of the season against the Chicago Bulls on Sunday afternoon.

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Jac Me hoff

Franklin, IN

#1 Mar 27, 2007
O'Neal is not a team mate, and surely not a team leader. A leader can win, You can't O'Neal
Rick in Madison

Yonkers, NY

#2 Mar 27, 2007
It would help to get a new point guard who doesn't squander opportunities at the end of the game by rushing and shooting a stupid runner up the lane at the end of the game giving the Bulls the opportunity to give Ben Gordon the last and winning shot. JO and Dunleavy were hot so who does Tinsley give the last shot ... himself, the selfish one!
Needshelp

Indianapolis, IN

#3 Mar 27, 2007
Jermaine has a good game and he has no help? What about all the games when he forces shots and won't give up the ball? Every once in a while he is "on" and this only keeps him hogging the ball every other game. He is not the solution, he is part of the problem. Jermaine could be a good player on an improved team but he would rather be an 'ALL-Star" on a bad one. Until the Pacers change the offense from -Dump it down to Jermaine and everyone else get back on defense, they will not be any good. On the rare occasions when Jermaine passes back out, they are able to reverse the ball and get a good shot. JO just won't give it up. Saying JO needs more help is stupid unless JO looks for help.
AstroTuff

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Mar 27, 2007
Interesting trade rumor in the Chicago paper -(they always have great suggestions for improving other teams)

O'Neal & Tinsley to NY in exchange for Starbury, Jeffries, Frye & their 1st round pick (which actually will be the Bulls 1st round pick because Chicago will undoubtedly force the pick swap). Starbury can opt out after next season - so even if you can't unload him, he probably won't stay more than 1 year (and how much worse than Tinsley could he be). Frye has promise, Jeffreis needs out of NY and if nothing else would be happier here.

Major benefits - frees up lots of long term cash, rids you of Tinsley. Since it looks like the Pacers may be keeping their pick (protected thru top 10- biggest exciotement the rest of the way - are we 10, 11 or 12?) this potentially gives you 2 first round picks.

Major downside - Starbury (even for one year)- just not the guy I want on my team. O'Neal - for all his limitations is a major talent - those guys don't just drop from the sky.

Question - would you do this trade?

Knicks - absolutely - the potential of combining ONeal & Curry makes sense. So what if they're payroll is out of control or Tinsley becomes more of a distraction since he doesn't start and is back in the Hood.(they still won't win - but it will take them 3 years to realize their mistake)

Pacers - my thought is yes - especially if you can find a 3rd team to take Starbury (may have to throw in Harrison) in exchange for more picks or younger players. You need to get rid of Tinsley. ONeal is overpaid. This finishes the job of blowing up the team and starts the rebuilding with a nice young player (Frye) and unexpected access to picks & cash.
Chris-Carmel

Indianapolis, IN

#5 Mar 27, 2007
O'Neal is supposed to be our superstar. Superstars carry the burden....do you ever recall hearing someone say it was a burden for MJ, Reggie, etc??

They are just making excuses. Do you think they were saying this about Shaq when he was in Orlando before he had a supporting cast??

Yes, they need a PG that is a pure point who can set up shot for others (aka nash, derron williams)but can also score on a regular basis.
Steve

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Mar 27, 2007
Needshelp wrote:
Jermaine has a good game and he has no help? What about all the games when he forces shots and won't give up the ball? Every once in a while he is "on" and this only keeps him hogging the ball every other game. He is not the solution, he is part of the problem. Jermaine could be a good player on an improved team but he would rather be an 'ALL-Star" on a bad one. Until the Pacers change the offense from -Dump it down to Jermaine and everyone else get back on defense, they will not be any good. On the rare occasions when Jermaine passes back out, they are able to reverse the ball and get a good shot. JO just won't give it up. Saying JO needs more help is stupid unless JO looks for help.
You don't know basketball. There aren't five low-post players in the league with the skills J.O. has. What's needed is a coach who can actually coach. Carlisle had one good year in Detroit in now alot of folks want to put him in the hall of fame. It's the players fault, come on! Tinsley's fault all the time? A coach's job is to manage the team, if Tinsley is constantly being a detriment then Carlisle needs to manage the situation, thats' what he gets paid to do.
Mr Verity

Danville, IN

#8 Mar 27, 2007
I agree with Steve, though I wish he would express himself more courteously. Here's what I don't like:
[quote]"Our best chance to strike a balance is where we get four or five guys in double figures," coach Rick Carlisle said. "We got in a situation (Sunday) where (O'Neal) was the hot guy and we had to ride him, and it's tough for him because it's a huge burden. The other team knows that and they're draped all over him.[/quote]
Carlisle contradicts himself in two sentences. He says, "We had to ride him." Then he acknowledges that it doesn't work to give the ball to Jermaine every time because the other team's defense can collapse on him.
Most of what people say about the weaknesses of the players is right. The Pacers do not have a strong roster. But I am convinced that every player, from O'Neal to Greene, would be better if they were playing under a better coaching system.
Blame the players? Sure!
Blame the coach? Heck yeah!
Blame TPTB? No doubt!
There is plenty of fault to share.
Rock bottom

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Mar 27, 2007
Hey Walsh and Bird, it's time to wheeling and dealing. This season is over. Bandaid time is over. Time to write these clowns off and start over while we can get something for our trouble. O'Neal would be are good start. He is like a black hole. Everything goes in and nothing comes out. If the are going to suck let's suck through a rebuilting process. At least then we would have an excuse.
CAROLYN

United States

#10 Mar 27, 2007
We are all aware of the problem's

I really believe,this has been a real serious since the 3 good shooters that helped, was traded...Why are u trying to realie on Granger?? He is not and never will be.But why try? Will only be traded..He can play once he gets in the mood. that goes for all of the Pacers,except D.Armstrone.Anyway we still need a coach. Good Luck Pacers
CAROLYN

United States

#12 Mar 27, 2007
Sorry>>> D.Armstron
Gary

Bloomington, IN

#13 Mar 27, 2007
I am sorry I have to totally disagree with this articles title. O'neal doesn't need more help. He needs to get his act together and play in the paint more, his 15 foot jumper might look good. But it does clear space for the perimeter shooters, and is alot less reliable than a layup or dunk. Which might be why JO's FG% is well horrible.
Brandon

Anderson, IN

#14 Mar 27, 2007
31 and only wrote:
O'neal's career averages are 14 ppg. 7 rpg and 1 apg. he is not a leader
That's ridiculous to use that stat in general and as justification of a leader. Leaders don't necessarily score the most points or aren't the best player. Besides, you're taking into account his stats from Portland where he entered the league out of high school and cut his teeth for a few years.
In a Pacers uniform he averages 19.5 pts, 9.78 rbds and 2.38 blocks. Pretty nice stats.
Rock bottom

Indianapolis, IN

#15 Mar 27, 2007
naptown drew wrote:
I think it would be nice to see an all-white team here in town.
I do hope you are kidding with that comment. If you aren't do us all a favor and don't reproduce!

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#16 Mar 27, 2007
A system where everyone buys into it is what will help the Pacers! JO does amazing stuff out there, but he's right when he talks about other guys getting it going, the problem is is that CRC's historically bad about drawing up a system the players will enjoy playing in. They need to understand their roles and right now they aren't doing well because they don't understand CRC's system - or they aren't buying into it.
Gary

Bloomington, IN

#17 Mar 27, 2007
I meant does not clear space above BTW
woody hughes

United States

#18 Mar 27, 2007
are the pacers going to make playoffs

Since: Jan 07

Washington, IN

#19 Mar 27, 2007
woody hughes wrote:
are the pacers going to make playoffs
Unless they get their sh!t together then no way. They have dropped 14 of 16 to some pretty average teams and to be honest, with the way everyone but JO is playing, I think that the team has given up on this season.
NEEDSHELP

Indianapolis, IN

#20 Mar 27, 2007
Steve wrote:
<quoted text>You don't know basketball. There aren't five low-post players in the league with the skills J.O. has. What's needed is a coach who can actually coach. Carlisle had one good year in Detroit in now alot of folks want to put him in the hall of fame. It's the players fault, come on! Tinsley's fault all the time? A coach's job is to manage the team, if Tinsley is constantly being a detriment then Carlisle needs to manage the situation, thats' what he gets paid to do.
I don't know basketball ?? Let me tell you something moron, I've been around it for over 45 years and counting. You'll never get me to defend Carlisle, this slow down style cannot work with these players. When they tried to go up-tempo, Jermaine threw a hissy fit because he wasn't getting his touches in the post. What was the answer? trade everyone that you just signed and revert back to the Jermaine post-up team. Brilliant. The days of "WINNING" NBA basketball using low-post play are OVER ! Name me 1 team that runs everything thru the post and wins. And don't say San Antonio because Duncan actually looks to pass first (unlike JO). Go whatch some games and maybe pick-up a book then get back to me. Until then, you got nothin
Derrick

Indianapolis, IN

#21 Mar 27, 2007
come on people J.O is alright just put a better point and a better coaching system in there . when all you have is o neal. what do you expect the pacers didnt help themself in the draft or in free agent market.i know we as HOOISER know that the players that we got from Golden State was going to be the answer that was going to put us over and make the pacers the favorite to win it all . we need to keep oneal,foster ,granger and start from there and see what we get point guard first. cause we know jamaal is killing us. if he is our second option we are in BIGG trouble already.larry and donnie better do something quick cause people are losing faith quickly. STILL A PACERS FAN . JUST CANT SEE MY TEAM DOING THIS BAD REALLY HURT. do you think the pacers read any thing we as fans write...........
quit making excuses

AOL

#22 Mar 27, 2007
Oh come on people - the one thing this "team" needs is to stay out of the bars and strip clubs, not have half of the team playing with a hangover from partying, Larry B. publicly grab this team by the throat and let it be known that there are a thousand college kids waiting to take the place of anyone that won't act like a professional. Maybe then we'll start to see something that looks like a basketball team. Until that happens we'll see the downward slide forever

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