Pacers' pick, No. 11, goes to Hawks

The Indiana Pacers' first attempt to improve their roster through the draft didn't go their way Tuesday night. Full Story
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Dave in Speedway

United States

#1 May 22, 2007
MSNBC forecasts Acie Law as our pick (11th), that would be great, but they forgot about the Harrington trade hangover. They know Indy needs a point guard, but we needed one last year as well and... How will Larry Legend goof up next? All his personnel moves have been awful. Donnie Walsh needs to wake up and know he has not found a successor. Who could we trade that anyone wants? The market value of our players continues to be well below what we are paying them.
Ethan in Indy

Indianapolis, IN

#2 May 22, 2007
What a suprize! Something else didn't go the pacers way. If some quick and much needed changes don't happen to the players and coaching staff we might as well just say good bye and let them go else were like maybe las vegas were these thugs can really stay out all night and party.
Jeff in Avon

Circleville, OH

#3 May 22, 2007
No Al, no James White, no picks at all in the deepest draft in years, no real trade assets outside of high-priced JO, no direction from the front office & no coach. Real encouraging!
Bird told us last year "these guys can play...you'll see" with regard to Shawne & White. Well, White got cut & Shawne plays the same position as Granger. Brilliant!! Now we have Dun & Murph's monster contracts (as if Cro & Tinsley's weren't enough the last 4-5 years) for another 4 years AND WE HAVE NO BACKCOURT, no perimeter shooting, and no pereimeter defense!!
I'm really glad we took the high road and won some absolutely meaningless games this last season...which kept us from keeping the year's pick! Very, very noble...and really, really stupid.
Having a high 1st round pick would have made it a lot easier to make some deals...but apparently we're more concerned about looking good in the short term while internally combusting long term.
I pay darn good money to attend games, and I watch all the televised ones I can't attend. I don't think its too much to ask for the team to have an actual plan to turn this absolute mess around...a opposed to digger the proverbial hole deeper.
Donnie has recently stated Bird is a real poitive thinker, and actually believed we were going to get a top 3 pick tonight. That says a lot about Larry, unfortunately. I'm sure he still thinks Dun, Murph, Tins, and Daniels are going to bring the Pacers back into contention.
Earth to Larry...come in Larry...
Craig

United States

#4 May 22, 2007
It truly alarms me that Larry wants to acquire a pick. What or who will he trade to get it...our first rounder in the 2008 draft??!!

Larry was a great player--one of the best ever--but he needs to head back south and work on his golf game. Now He has no clue for appraising talent...or putting together a team with any sort of chemistry.

He put together an athletic team that had the potential to run, then handed them to Rick Carlisle, whose playbook looks like the Old Testament.

When Red Auerbach won all those titles, in all those years the team's playbook consisted of only six plays. He drafted players who could run and he let them play.

Nobody can make any sense out of this mess the Pacers are in. We are stuck with same players we hate and don't want to pay to see.

I've never seen anyone blow up a team accidentally, but that seems to be the case here. We are the laughing stock of the league, no doubt about it. And it can only get worse. Well, let's hope Larry doesn't trade away our 2008 pick, because we will playing for the lottery, that's obvious.
Dick Tater

AOL

#5 May 22, 2007
Trade Tinsley...and J.O...Get ODEN by all means...
Craig

United States

#6 May 22, 2007
One more thing. Optimum prognosis for 2007-2008: 22 wins; 605 losses.
What happened

Evansville, IN

#7 May 23, 2007
This franchise has been elite for the last 15 years. Now we are the Pacers of old. We are now the pre-Reggie and pre-Chuck Pacers. At the end of last season, the assemblence of players was disappointing. There is very little room and very few options to deal. And no draft picks. This all equals nothing at all to look forward to. I actually thought lady luck owed this franchise something going back to lost coin flips and the cr#* we took with the suspensions. I guess lady luck dislikes Larry Bird as much as I do.
Pat

Madrid, Spain

#8 May 23, 2007
Dick Tater wrote:
Trade Tinsley...and J.O...Get ODEN by all means...
Why in the world would Portland trade the top pick (more than likely Oden) for anything on Pacers roster. Get a clue.
Mike

United States

#9 May 23, 2007
I try to be an optimist, but I have to admit it seems like this franchise just keeps digging a deeper whole every minute. It's going to be a long road to get back to where the Pacers were 5 years ago. I love Larry and I've given him the benefit of the doubt until now, but his comments about acquiring a draft pick scare me - what part of the Pacers' future is left to be mortgaged?
Jim

Frankfort, IN

#10 May 23, 2007
We're screwed!! Anybody got a sheet we can put up? There will be a lot of empty seats in the arena next year and for years to come. JO has to stay now, if you trade him you would lose any star power you have left, nobody would come and watch! The Harrington trade as I predicted was a bust and back breaker. Al is a nice guy but NOT a difference maker. We gave way to much for him. Why did so many of you like him? He gave nothing to this team. He will die on the vine in GS just you see.
Florida fanbase

Umatilla, FL

#11 May 23, 2007
Everyone complains about the draft. The Harrington trade at the time was to get something for losing Peja.
With the Golden State trade back came Ike Diogu.
You must remember he is entering his third year. Many times draft picks just don't turn out to be impact players.
The trade was made. The pick is gone. It is time to move on and stop crying about Bird or Walsh.
This team has many, many good parts that have failed to gel as a unit.
Under the right leadership, it can.
Ike Diogu is a much better player than anyone the Pacers would have gotten at #11 in the draft. And you will recognize that even more in the days to come.
You'd be hollering even louder had the Peja deal returned nothing at all.
The Golden State trade won't play out in its complete (success or bust) for some time to come.
Steven Jackson had to go and the Pacers pulled the trigger.
Look ahead, don't lament over this and that. That's what kills a franchise.

“Mike Tyson ate my children.”

Since: Jan 07

Camby, IN

#12 May 23, 2007
SCREWED.
bob

United States

#13 May 23, 2007
The Pacers need to put a trade package of O'Neal and Tinsley together and see what is available. I know people are going to say if we trade these players we have no chance of winning. what chance do we have of winning with these players you ask? well are we winning with these 2 players that are always out of shape and hanging around night clubs until 3 o'clock in the morning on game days. Reggie i bet did not retire because of his age or tired of playing, he got tired of the bull with some of his team mates
Lets go Hoosiers

United States

#14 May 23, 2007
Jeff in Avon wrote:
No Al, no James White, no picks at all in the deepest draft in years, no real trade assets outside of high-priced JO, no direction from the front office & no coach. Real encouraging!
Bird told us last year "these guys can play...you'll see" with regard to Shawne & White. Well, White got cut & Shawne plays the same position as Granger. Brilliant!! Now we have Dun & Murph's monster contracts (as if Cro & Tinsley's weren't enough the last 4-5 years) for another 4 years AND WE HAVE NO BACKCOURT, no perimeter shooting, and no pereimeter defense!!
I'm really glad we took the high road and won some absolutely meaningless games this last season...which kept us from keeping the year's pick! Very, very noble...and really, really stupid.
Having a high 1st round pick would have made it a lot easier to make some deals...but apparently we're more concerned about looking good in the short term while internally combusting long term.
I pay darn good money to attend games, and I watch all the televised ones I can't attend. I don't think its too much to ask for the team to have an actual plan to turn this absolute mess around...a opposed to digger the proverbial hole deeper.
Donnie has recently stated Bird is a real poitive thinker, and actually believed we were going to get a top 3 pick tonight. That says a lot about Larry, unfortunately. I'm sure he still thinks Dun, Murph, Tins, and Daniels are going to bring the Pacers back into contention.
Earth to Larry...come in Larry...
I think its funny that everyone wanted the Pacers to pull the trigger on the Harrington deal no matter what just to get big Al back in a Pacers uniform. Everyone wanted Jackson gone as soon as possible. Then the team wasnt winning and everyone wanted the Pacers to make a move that would shake things up. All three of those things happened and now everyone wants to question the moves because it didnt breed winning on the court. That is hypocritical to the core if you ask me.

The players arent the problem on this team. We have a legitimate post player superstar, a good up and coming post player in Diogu and talent in the backcourt. We have a deep bench as well. What is missing is a coach who will hold players accountable on the court. Chemistry is missing. Look at Detroit. They dont have one guy better than JO, but they play well as a team. The Pacers could be the same way if they could just get some chemistry. The Pacers were well above .500 last year until they lost Daniels for the season. I think we will make a move or two in the offseason and hopefully unload some of these big contracts, but the core of players is there to win now. Hopefully Van Gundy can restore some chemistry in the locker room and the Pacers can have a nice season next year.
Birdbrain

Orestes, IN

#15 May 23, 2007
No 1st or 2nd round draft pick, way to go bird you have done a great job. You should go down as one of the worst GMs ever. Looks like we will be drafting Eric Gordon in the top 5 next year. Next year is doomed.
injury

San Francisco, CA

#16 May 23, 2007
this is a ? on the pacers web site
Which Change Takes Priority, Coach Or Roster?
Ask the Pacers: Would Larry Bird rather hire a head coach first, then shape the roster to his style, or would he prefer to adjust the roster before hiring a coach that best suits the talent on hand?
what talent are they talking about?
what coach would come here ?
and whos larry bird?
Mike

Indianapolis, IN

#17 May 23, 2007
We should have never traded Jack and Artest. Yeah they got problems, but THEY PLAY. You dont see them hurt on the bench the whole time. Who cares what they do off the court. They bring the tough guy attitude on the court, now we got a bunch of nice guy b*****s. I know everybody will jump on me for saying this but it's just my comment. Hey maybe we can trade JO for Luke Walton, he looks like a nice guy.
Hoosier Sammy

Evansville, IN

#18 May 23, 2007
At least we avoid the embarrassment that would be laid on us by the looser front office picking some no name wanna be over Oden or Durant as this years number 1.

At least Adam in Bloomington is happy the Pacers will be also rans for another several years to come and his hero Walsh will have year 19 and more with no ring.
Lost in Space

Circleville, OH

#19 May 23, 2007
Here's the real problem...not that they traded Al Harrington, not that they tradeded away Stephen Jackson but...

Hey, let's look at who we get in the second round...Oh wait, we don't have a second round pick. That's right we traded it away to move up and take James White they so coveted, they cut him before the season ever started!!!

To obtain White, the Pacers traded their No. 45 pick, Florida State power forward Alexander Johnson, and two future second-round picks to Portland. The Blazers will receive Indiana's second-round pick in 2007 and the worst of two second-round picks in 2008; the Pacers own Phoenix's second-rounder that year from the James Jones trade.

I guess they didn't see the potential in James White after moving up to get him. But wait there's more...

As for James White, he's on the roster for the San Antonio Spurs...you know the team still in the playoffs making a run at the NBA title. Seems they thought James White was worth developing.

Way to go Pacers, way to go!!!!
Lost in Space

Circleville, OH

#20 May 23, 2007
Mike wrote:
We should have never traded Jack and Artest. Yeah they got problems, but THEY PLAY. You dont see them hurt on the bench the whole time. Who cares what they do off the court. They bring the tough guy attitude on the court, now we got a bunch of nice guy b*****s. I know everybody will jump on me for saying this but it's just my comment. Hey maybe we can trade JO for Luke Walton, he looks like a nice guy.
You're right, I am going to rip you for wanting Stephen Jackson and Artest. Did you watch the Golden State playoffs? Jackson's blowups helped Utah win. He's a disaster ON and off the court. Good riddance to that thug!

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