Toronto shoots up Pacers' fast start

Full story: The Indianapolis Star

The start seemed so promising. The Indiana Pacers, in their longest losing streak since an 11-game skid last March, looked like the team many people envisioned early on.
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Jim

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#21
Nov 17, 2007
 
outside the box wrote:
And for a second there it looked like the Pacers were going to go undefeated. JO comes back...team looses...hmmmm...must not be getting paid enough. It's your money, waste it if you wish.
Go Butler: Real people playing real basketball.
Who still watches the NBA, much less the Pacers? Butler hoops is great as is IU and Purdue?

As for the Pacers, they always start fast> And clearly this falls on "team leader" Oneal, who is subpar at best. He has NO range, turns the ball over constantly, is slow, etc. He's not very good right now They miss Diogu. The team was 3-0 with Ike, 1-6 with JO. Terrible. And they have no hope for a win anytime soon with very tough games upcoming. I say 30 wins will be tough.
Stan

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#22
Nov 17, 2007
 
A team that loses 6 straight uncompetitive games against ordinary NBA opposition is a bad team. The first 3 games that were won, everyone was contributing. Since then, only a few people. The consistent statistics is that the Pacers are outshot from the free throw line. This happens because 1. they have few players to take the ball to the rim where NBA games are won 2. they have too many players who can't play defense and more who won't. Someone consistently lights them up for points and rebounds. In addition their good outside shooters have been bad outside shooters. O'Neal has not yet had an All Star quality game. He gets the most flack as the team's high profile player, but other needed people have been playing worse. Diogu and Daniels have key injuries, as they really make the Pacers go, but they are not the household names on this team. It was clear a lot of people needed to step up their game for the Pacers to do well. So far they haven't.
James

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#23
Nov 17, 2007
 
I predicted 4 straight losses. Last night (I did not see the game) was the 4th. And, we are going to lose a lot more (a loss to the Jazz is next). I have continued to watch the games on TV, but it is getting harder and harder. Why they can play great in spurts and then collapse down the stretch, I can't explain. A lot of the posters say to get rid of O'Neal, or Tinsley, or the "slow white guys" (a racist remark), or to get rid of Bird. None of us really know the inner workings of the Pacers or the NBA. I just want us to be competitive and win some games. Surely, the players want that, too. But, their play doesn't show it.
Mike in NC

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#24
Nov 17, 2007
 
Down 94-90 with about five minutes remaining, the Pacers went three straight possessions without scoring.
O'Neal turned the ball over twice and had his shot blocked by Chris Bosh. The Raptors, meanwhile, got an open Carlos Delfino 3-pointer when Tinsley gambled and a jumper from Anthony Parker to take a 99-90 lead with 3 minutes, 20 seconds left to play.
O'Neal, who had 14 points and seven assists, committed a team-high seven turnovers.

That's our franchise guy, and the leader of this team....another effort truly deserving of a superstar contract ....close game, 4th quarter, and JO responds with 2 turnovers and a shot that is blocked....and that stellar assist-to-turnover ration! I didn't see his rebounding stats - wonder if he pulled down more boards than he had turnovers?

dump this load, along with tinsley, and let the rebuilding start in ernest...
Glenn

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#25
Nov 17, 2007
 
I don't think people are bashing Jermaine O'Neal, facts are facts and you can't deny the Pacers have lost every game with him in the line up and won every game without him in the line up..

The problem is he thinks he is a superstar, which he is clearly not, a good player yes, but not a go to guy down the stretch, he may be a player the Pacers should call periodic plays for and not each time down the court. They want to be a run and gun team, which was working well when JO was not playing.

I strongly believe there is tension in the locker room between Jamal Tinsley and Jermaine OíNeal because of JO insistent dominance of the ball and each coach seem to give into his demands, why because he is the highest paid player on the team. I donít know if you all remember when Jon Koncak, at one time he was one of the highest paid players in the NBA, but do you think he was a go-to player. Just because a player has a great agent that is able to negotiate an outstanding contract doesnít mean that player is a great player. Jermaine OíNeal is NOT a great player. Great players are feared around the league because of exceptional talent. Who fears Jermaine OíNeal?

He should just pick one element of the game and dominate that element and that should be defense, more specifically block shots. When he focus his energy on blocking shots, he is dominate in that respect, but when he tries to be a MR. EVERYTHING kind of player, not only does that affect his play, it affects the play of players around him.

Mike Dunleavy has suffered more than other players because of JO, no one can deny that Dunleavy is a great shooter and no one can deny that Tinsley is one of the best ball handlers in the NBA. Yes he needs to grow up and stop whining when JO, dominates the bulk of the plays, but I guess he is human too and gets a little tired of the inconsistent play of the so-called superstar on the Pacers Jermaine OíNeal!
lotto fishing

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Nov 17, 2007
 
relax wrote:
guys chill for a minute....your deciding if JO fits or not based on whether we win or loose. Jo fits perfectly in the system without him we wont have all these open jump shots and three point shots. Not to mention he had 7 assists (easy buckets). Whats the problem? granger and dunleavy couldnt hit a shot. 2 of 13 from the 3 point line?!(please not one of granger's three pointers made was in garbage time.) When jamal tinsley is the only starter hitting 3 pointers you know something is wrong.
So if our shooters can consistently score from long range then we can stick to our plan. So stop bashing oneal and bash ur shooters.
The pacers were hitting a higher percentage of there shots before Jermaine came back.The team has shot a lower percentage because Jermaines been playing a mid post not a low post. Whats wrong with this? he hold the ball and defenders closer to the shooters outside, instead of being down in the low post. Were wasting time giving him the ball, and keeping defenders close to the shooters which leave us with contested and last minute shots.
jjk

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#27
Nov 17, 2007
 
I've said several times that this Pacers team is below average. The players look decent on paper, but they don't work well as a team. There is no clear leader and J. O'Neil is not what he used to be, Tinsley never lived up to his potential because of injuries and... well, there is no other notable player. The coach is below average (sorry Mr. O"Brian). The management in L. Bird and D. Welsh should be changed. Radical changes, yes, but the last three years have shown that the Pacers need such changes, because they've been going down and down.
ARS

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#28
Nov 17, 2007
 
relax wrote:
guys chill for a minute....your deciding if JO fits or not based on whether we win or loose. Jo fits perfectly in the system without him we wont have all these open jump shots and three point shots. Not to mention he had 7 assists (easy buckets). Whats the problem? granger and dunleavy couldnt hit a shot. 2 of 13 from the 3 point line?!(please not one of granger's three pointers made was in garbage time.) When jamal tinsley is the only starter hitting 3 pointers you know something is wrong.
So if our shooters can consistently score from long range then we can stick to our plan. So stop bashing oneal and bash ur shooters.
that and we need a guy that is known for driving to the paint on a nightly basis... maybe 2 guys
ARS

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#29
Nov 17, 2007
 
I will not blame management until we have a team that OBVIOUSLY will make the playoffs, then they don't. We are not on that level yet (top 20 not top16). Even with D. Wade only playing 70% the Heat should not have been swept against ANY team in the league. Pat Riley needs more scrutiny than Larry Bird. We lost and got rid of quality players due to retirement(Reggie), unhappiness with role on team (Artest/Harrington), and bad Attitude (Jackson). If you want to blame D. Wade's injury on their fall last season, we have O'Neal Foster Harrison Daniels etc. Name a player we got rid of that turned out to be a star... we made James Jones look good Fred Jones Anthony Johnson Detlef Shrempf Jalen Rose Dale Davis... where did these guys go after they left?
ARS

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#30
Nov 17, 2007
 
Larry wasnt the guy that let Steve Nash go just for him to become one of the greatest PGs ever. Cuban sure doesnt get nailed. We got Dunleavy for Jackson/ Diogu,Murphy for Harrington yes we have fallen to injuries past 3-4 seasons so blame Bird? Cmon people

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