Will real Pacers please stand up?

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Alan

United States

#1 Nov 11, 2007
Now we're seeing the real Pacers. They played crummy teams in the first 3 games which resulted in wins. The Pacers will be another yawner this year.
East Side Advocate

West Lafayette, IN

#2 Nov 11, 2007
One of the Pacer TV commercials touts" It's a new era". Unfortunately, it's still the same old team. Inconsistency, poor shot selection, poor decisions on the floor.

Harrison would come in a you get a 3 second call to to negate a basket, a moving pick to negate a 3-pointer, foul, foul, technical foul. He's a head case.

For the most part, I can't fault their effort last night but their on floor decisons were not good.

JO was quoted as saying about 38 year old Sam Cassel - " He's Crafty".
No he just comes to play and win every night - same for Kevin Garnett even on some of those losing Minnesota teams - he was a double-double model of consistency. The Pacers need players like that and our management team once again missed the boat by not picking up KG.

Sorry, Indy but we're in for another long season.
Dungy ball

Cincinnati, OH

#3 Nov 11, 2007
These guys will be alright. They obviously have some game. But, they obviously have some things to figure out too.

I recommend making a switch at the starting point guard position. I would rather see Tinsley come off the bench with the second unit. His scoring capability is good and would complement the second unit. Or, at the very least sit him down in 4th Quarter (crunch-time) because he has repeatedly been abused on D and he continues to wilt under pressure by making horrible decisions with the ball. His inability to stop dribble penetration plus his turnovers and bad shots killed us the last few games. I don't think coaching can cure this. We've seen this for a few years out of him. I recommend giving Diener a shot at starting and playing down the stretch.

This parade to the free throw line is a direct result of not be able to stop the other teams point guard from dribble penetration. When our power forward or center have to switch off to stop their point guard then the entire sequence gets these big bodies shifting and fouls are inevitible. We need a better defender at the point.

Also, it would be nice to see Dunleavy get some shot attempts in the 4th quarter. He's been our most consistent scorer and outside threat but for some reason we don't get him the ball in the 4th. This is related to my entire rant here....meaning better point guard play down the stretch might get the ball distributed to where it needs to go.
Thugs R Us

New Palestine, IN

#4 Nov 11, 2007
They should stick to shootings, strip clubs, and fights.
TommyG

Michigan City, IN

#5 Nov 11, 2007
David Harrison needs to shut-up and play. He argues every call and I have never seen someone pick up fouls so fast. Just shut-up and play or trade him. He provides some energy but his negative attitude on the bench does not help things. Get rid of the bum.
TommyG

Michigan City, IN

#6 Nov 11, 2007
Dungy ball wrote:
These guys will be alright. They obviously have some game. But, they obviously have some things to figure out too.
I recommend making a switch at the starting point guard position. I would rather see Tinsley come off the bench with the second unit. His scoring capability is good and would complement the second unit. Or, at the very least sit him down in 4th Quarter (crunch-time) because he has repeatedly been abused on D and he continues to wilt under pressure by making horrible decisions with the ball. His inability to stop dribble penetration plus his turnovers and bad shots killed us the last few games. I don't think coaching can cure this. We've seen this for a few years out of him. I recommend giving Diener a shot at starting and playing down the stretch.
This parade to the free throw line is a direct result of not be able to stop the other teams point guard from dribble penetration. When our power forward or center have to switch off to stop their point guard then the entire sequence gets these big bodies shifting and fouls are inevitible. We need a better defender at the point.
Also, it would be nice to see Dunleavy get some shot attempts in the 4th quarter. He's been our most consistent scorer and outside threat but for some reason we don't get him the ball in the 4th. This is related to my entire rant here....meaning better point guard play down the stretch might get the ball distributed to where it needs to go.
I agree. Tinsley would be better on the second unit. I don't know if Diener is the answer. Maybe Daniels should get the ball and trying slashing and kicking more. Dunleavy needs to get more shots in the 4th, that is dead on. And dive Harrison the Gatorade tray and let him go to work. "I need another Big Bust"
Mookie

Orlando, FL

#7 Nov 11, 2007
Are we having fun yet? Oh my!!!
Roger Frowns

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Nov 11, 2007
In the last couple minutes with the lead and game in hand jamall and jermane took things in their own hands and the result jt being blocked 3 times on layups, 1 attempt missed the rim and barely caught the back board ,stupid fouls ,turnovers and no shot, what a point guard.jo was equally effective only 1 other shot was attempted"granger" another miss. 3 games they had won but lost due to incompetent play. If they had a real job they would be fired
Roger Frowns

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Nov 11, 2007
not to mention their league low free throw percentage
WANNABE PACER FAN

Nashville, TN

#10 Nov 11, 2007
0-3 with Oneil...........
Jeff From Delphi

Barnesville, OH

#11 Nov 11, 2007
I'm gonna start taking the dog out for walk during the 2nd half.
I'll give Flimsly till the end of November.... if he hasn't diplayed consistently good decision making by then, 2nd stringer and let Daniels or Diener start.
Harrison gets the same window of opportunity to show he wants to be in the NBA and quit being a baby.
Nashville TN Pacer fan

Nashville, TN

#12 Nov 11, 2007
WANNABE PACER FAN wrote:
0-3 with Oneil..........
He played Pacers @ Grizzlies.
Colt45

United States

#13 Nov 11, 2007
Pacers score 32 in the second half.
JO goes 5 for 14.
Tinsley 5 for 15, with 5 turnovers.
Tinsley is now 9 for 32 in the last three games.
Wonder if O'Brien still thinks/believes Tinsley is his man?
I know, I know, it's a long season, but these last three games were PATHETIC!
Also, I heard O'Brien say that the Pacers will not be playing any zone this year. I really don't have a problem with that, but they should still run it in practice so they know how to attack it offensivelly.
Last night, with about a minute left and Nuggets up 3, Pacers came out of a timeout and Karl surprised them with a 2-3 zone. End result?
15 seconds of standing around followed by Tinsley forcing the ball inside, getting his shot blocked by Martin and Camby, which led to fast break points for Denver.
You have to be ready for that coming out of a timeout.
oldady

United States

#14 Nov 11, 2007
Looks like it is going to be the S.O.S.

Take Jermaine out of the game, go up by 25 points, put Jermaine back in and get beat. Same thing every game.

I am going to take off my Rose Colored glasses. I thought the Pacers were really going to be good this year. What is sad they really are good until J.O. decides to slow the game down and stand around and get the other guys out of RHYTHM. Bench him or get rid of him. He is a trouble maker. He throws the ball away more than he ever gets one in the basket. Sad to let such goings on to go on.

I love the Pacers. I will continue to watch them and root for them, but I will probably still get disgusted with them as well. Jermaine needs to get rid of his movies and practice running.

I may be an old woman, but at one time I could have run circles around that young whimper snapper. Not too sure I still couldn't. I at least want to get the WHOLE team involved. Put baseball gloves on his hands, maybe he could catch the basketball and hold on to it. Of course, all he could do then would be pass the ball. What a shame.

You all think he does so much when he gets 12 to 14 points per game, well he should he shoots 40 times or more and throws them away 20 times or more. He is NOT half as good as you think he is. Get rid of him and THEN you can have a team. So far Jamaal isn't doing what he is supposed to be doing either. The others are go getters and playing their hearts out. We need more Jeff Fosters. Works hard and makes many plays. He doesn't try to be a one man show, he just does the work of many. Danny Granger, Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy and many others WANT to play together, let them. Keep out the ones who want to destroy what the others has done to get ahead. I don't blame them for slowing down and not doing anything towards the end. The only one that gets any credit is J.O. and he isn't worth a D%*^(&_&$MN.
Joe

Cincinnati, OH

#15 Nov 11, 2007
Here is how I see it:

1. Harrison is a disaster. The team really missed Diogu in so many ways. 3-0 with Ike, 0-3 without him.

2. Oneal is not a leader nor a superstar. In fact, he is short on all his shots outside 14 feet, yet still shoots. Why? Each year, his stats get worse. We should have traded him this summer.

3. Tinsley is appalling. He is a total liability. Shoot 30% from the field, 20% from 3 pt land, turns it over, forces shots, etc. Yet Greg Rakestraw on ESPN radio thinks Jamal is great. I cannot imagine JT could start on any other NBA team.

4. Granger, Dunleavy and Murphy are SO streaky. If they hit, we are tough. If they don't, we are awful.

I could go on, but I'll leave it at that. The 3-0 start could see us at 6-14 by the end of the month. And we have a TON of road games after New Years.
Crunch

Studio City, CA

#16 Nov 11, 2007
Colt45 wrote:
Pacers score 32 in the second half.
JO goes 5 for 14.
Tinsley 5 for 15, with 5 turnovers.
Tinsley is now 9 for 32 in the last three games.
Wonder if O'Brien still thinks/believes Tinsley is his man?
I know, I know, it's a long season, but these last three games were PATHETIC!
Also, I heard O'Brien say that the Pacers will not be playing any zone this year. I really don't have a problem with that, but they should still run it in practice so they know how to attack it offensivelly.
Last night, with about a minute left and Nuggets up 3, Pacers came out of a timeout and Karl surprised them with a 2-3 zone. End result?
15 seconds of standing around followed by Tinsley forcing the ball inside, getting his shot blocked by Martin and Camby, which led to fast break points for Denver.
You have to be ready for that coming out of a timeout.
All your points are good and valid except one - professionals should know how to attack a zone by now, without any handholding. It's not like they've never done it in their career before.
Brad Sparks

Barnesville, OH

#17 Nov 11, 2007
We need a coach who understands the physical capabilities of his players. It was not difficult to recognize in any of the games played so far this year when the team ran out of gas. When that happens, the inevitable choice is to dump to JO in triple coverage, or Tinsley driving into the same triple coverage due to the opposition recognizing that we have run out of gas. They pack the middle with zones or collapsing help defense just like they have been taught to do since high school.

Unfortunately, we don't have a coach who is flexible enough to understand that no NBA team (not even Dallas/Phoenix) attempts to play full throttle for all four quarters. When/if he does, it is always about 4 minutes of game time later than the opponent. By that time, we are so out of control and have lost all of our confidence/momentum that we pretty much cannot recover due to having to try to ramp up our defensive intensity without the legs to do so.

The truth of the right way to coach this team lies somewhere between the Carlisle 100% structured method and the O'Brien near 100% freestyle method. The players simply don't have the physical capability, nor the basketball IQ to recognize the time to slow down, regather themselves for the next high octane push, and keep control of the game.
special ed

Walton, KY

#18 Nov 11, 2007
Do we quote Denny Green here? "They are who we thought they were."
WHAT IS OBRIEN DOING

Warsaw, IN

#19 Nov 11, 2007
HEY O'brien! Play Shawne Williams more! He knocks down shots yet you stick with the same line ups at the end of games!
Norma

AOL

#20 Nov 11, 2007
I am not surprised the Pacers blew that game against the Nuggets. There is no heart in our team.......We do this every time. Perhaps when Conseco is empty and no one rooting anymore something will be done.

Sorry, you are paid to play, the fans love you...No other fans are as loyal as the Indiana fans and you let us down all the time. Sad but true........I say, play with heart and give the fans what they deserve.......God bless Dunleavy. I think he truly cares as does Granger and Foster..........How frustrating. Come on Larry Bird, be a man and take control before the Pacers move out of Ind.

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