His best in past?

His best in past?

There are 67 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Nov 30, 2007, titled His best in past?. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

It seemed like just yesterday that Jermaine O'Neal was a perennial All-Star, appearing in national commercials and challenging for league MVP honors.

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Cletus

Eugene, OR

#42 Nov 30, 2007
You can't help but to wonder what this team would be like with a 100% JO who learns to mesh with the offense. If nothing else, he returns as a pure defender, which he can still do. I agree with Drew. Let him average a low score per game. His defensive presence will be key.
Pacer Pontiff

South Bend, IN

#43 Nov 30, 2007
Drew, I'm not so sure. Do you envision JO going along with your suggested role? Have you seen him accept this type of 'Jeff Foster' role before? There's likely someone we can trade for that fits your description, but for JO it will be a complete change from his previous style of play. Let's all cross our fingers maybe?
Drew wrote:
I think JO is such an asset on the defensive side of the ball that he can only help this team. He needs to realize that he is not going to be the go to guy on offense, but his defense is that good such that I would be happy with him averaging around 15 pts. a game.
43 million

Indianapolis, IN

#44 Nov 30, 2007
trade him - you get 3 or 4 players to match the salary.
This team is MUCH better wihtout him on both ends of the court. MUCH BETTER.
It may be run as the same offense with JO in there, but it doesn't work the same. He bogs everything down and throwing it to him is like throwing it in the ocean - it never comes back.
Paint Crew Member

West Lafayette, IN

#45 Nov 30, 2007
Pacer Pontiff wrote:
I respect your opinion, just not sure why you feel compelled to share it in this forum. And have you even paid attention to the team this year? You say "I'll be a fan again" - when? what has to happen? For most of us in this forum, we're excited about this new look team and would especially be happy if either JO is gone or if JO plays within the system when he comes back.
I enjoy watching this team again, and don't really care to see comments like yours. I just don't see the point of you making them in this forum, where people are discussing the current team, because we are paying attention.
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Yes, I've seen them play this year in hopes that O'Brien would turn them around. Maybe they just haven't figured out O'Brien's offense yet. I don't know. I've been a Pacers fan since 1968 when I sat on the floor on top of the ice at the old fairgrounds coliseum. Sorry if you think comparing them to other years is bad. I'm not sure the current team could beat the teams that played so poorly when we first joined the NBA. I hold a place for the Pacers in my heart -- but they do need to show fans some glimmer of hope. I can't just blindly route for them.
Paint Crew Member

West Lafayette, IN

#46 Nov 30, 2007
We Care wrote:
WHO CARES? MAYBE WE DO! HAVE YOU NOTICED WE'RE 8-8, THAT WE WOULD BE IN PLAYOFFS RIGHT NOW! AT WHAT POINT WILL YOU CONSIDER US TURNED AROUND? YOU COME OFF LIKE A POMPOUS JERK
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Nice talk. You kiss your mom with that mouth?
Pacer Pontiff

South Bend, IN

#47 Nov 30, 2007
They're 8-8 so far, tied for 7th in the East. Granted, we're not Boston or Orlando, but seems to me they've exceeded everyone's expectations.

Some of the comments people have posted indicate a lack of awareness, in terms of how they're playing lately. Am I reading your comments wrong?

You said rooting for them blindly - what are you waiting to see? I'm not asking in sarcasm, genuine question.
Paint Crew member wrote:
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Yes, I've seen them play this year in hopes that O'Brien would turn them around. Maybe they just haven't figured out O'Brien's offense yet. I don't know. I've been a Pacers fan since 1968 when I sat on the floor on top of the ice at the old fairgrounds coliseum. Sorry if you think comparing them to other years is bad. I'm not sure the current team could beat the teams that played so poorly when we first joined the NBA. I hold a place for the Pacers in my heart -- but they do need to show fans some glimmer of hope. I can't just blindly route for them.
a13yroldkid

Marysville, OH

#48 Nov 30, 2007
I think not only should they get rid of ONeal, but Tinsley too. Then I might watch a game.
bluegold

South Bend, IN

#49 Nov 30, 2007
Tinsley is our leader these days, have you been watching the games? We would not have won 8 games without Tinsley.
a13yroldkid wrote:
I think not only should they get rid of ONeal, but Tinsley too. Then I might watch a game.
Pacer Pontiff

South Bend, IN

#50 Nov 30, 2007
a13yroldkid wrote:
I think not only should they get rid of ONeal, but Tinsley too. Then I might watch a game.
Tinsley is flourishing in OBrien's system. It's been a joy to watch him develop into our leader on the court. Who knows, maybe he can do some magic with JO? He's also saving Harrison's career.
American

Duncan, OK

#51 Nov 30, 2007
Wow wrote:
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I agree. When JO is in the game I turn off the TV and watch paint dry.
Indeed. This is pure Indy Star propaganda. When I attend Tuesday's game, I will BOO JO if he starts--which he will. And we'll lose, as we will as soon as he returns tonight or Sunday.
oldady

United States

#52 Nov 30, 2007
What scares me is that if and when he comes back, he will be like he was before and mess up OUR team. It will be his way or no way again. His is the biggest ball hog there is in the history of the Indiana Pacers. He can't hold on to the ball, he can't pass and he can't share. What does that tell you. The team and the coach is standing up for him because they are made to. You will notice when they interview the guys they are in the time of their lives. They are winning not whinning and they can run to keep in tempo and a good shooting rhythm. When Jermaine is there, they don't even have a chance to shoot, old ball hog does the shooting. He is under the basket and can just put them in. Big deal. Jamaal, Troy, Mike and even Jeff are shooting threes and getting them to go in. They get more rebounds offensively as well as defensively now without Jermaine just standing there thinking, here ball come to me, Mr. Wonderful. It is PAST time to get rid of the JERK!!!

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#53 Nov 30, 2007
"This style will help his game," Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said. "He is a great athlete. The halfcourt style doesn't appeal to his athleticism. When his leg settles down, he can get back to playing his old way."

Alot of these posts remind me of when DD was traded to Portland for JO. Alot of people said, "How could you trade DD for a benchwarmer?" Once JO played his first full season here and supplanted DD's numbers people then realized Donnie knew what he was doing.

Name one PF from the Pacers of the 90's as good and consistent as JO has been in scoring, rebounding, and blocks? When healthy, JO can produce as much as DD and AD could together! Few were as good as JO at the 4 in the 80's. Clark Kellogg was but he too had knee problems which ended his career early :-(

He's not healthy - get well soon JO!

P.S. Atleast people are coming up with something better than "He's a thug, get rid of 'im!" lol ...
Jeff from Delphi

United States

#54 Nov 30, 2007
I expected as much when the Star ran this article. Man you people are hard on the guy.
If you remember back Tinsly was injured on/off for 2 seasons.... that's why I called him Flimsly, oops sorry Pacer Pontiff. Now he's getting praise.
29 is not over the hill, and a couple years battling injuries shouldn't be the only criteria to judge JO's ability. I'm going with the fact that he bulked up to keep from getting pushed around, because he wants to win. So I think he'll adapt to the offense, but he'll always be O'Squeal opps sorry again Pacer Pontiff, he'll never quit whinning to the refs.
Pacer Pontiff

South Bend, IN

#55 Nov 30, 2007
Jeff, what's up?

I sure hope you're right about JO. In the end, I'd prefer he fits right in and we continue our good team play. I sure like this new style, and the chemistry too.

His extended absence may be a blessing ... it's been long enough that national stories have been written about him ... "Scouts say team plays better without JO", etc ... perhaps it will sink in? Can I be optimistic and skeptical at the same time?
Pacer Pontiff

South Bend, IN

#56 Nov 30, 2007
Good points sparkplug ... however, my point about JO going somewhere else, isn't about his flat-out numbers, or his ability to contribute. It's about him fitting this new style ... what happens to our team and style of play when he's on the floor? Someone can have game, but be a better fit with another group of players, right?

Maybe O'Brien can make it all work.
sparkplug wrote:
"This style will help his game," Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said. "He is a great athlete. The halfcourt style doesn't appeal to his athleticism. When his leg settles down, he can get back to playing his old way."
Alot of these posts remind me of when DD was traded to Portland for JO. Alot of people said, "How could you trade DD for a benchwarmer?" Once JO played his first full season here and supplanted DD's numbers people then realized Donnie knew what he was doing.
Name one PF from the Pacers of the 90's as good and consistent as JO has been in scoring, rebounding, and blocks? When healthy, JO can produce as much as DD and AD could together! Few were as good as JO at the 4 in the 80's. Clark Kellogg was but he too had knee problems which ended his career early :-(
He's not healthy - get well soon JO!
P.S. Atleast people are coming up with something better than "He's a thug, get rid of 'im!" lol ...
Cletus

Cupertino, CA

#57 Nov 30, 2007
JO is second on the team in assists. He can pass quite well.
oldady wrote:
What scares me is that if and when he comes back, he will be like he was before and mess up OUR team. It will be his way or no way again. His is the biggest ball hog there is in the history of the Indiana Pacers. He can't hold on to the ball, he can't pass and he can't share. What does that tell you. The team and the coach is standing up for him because they are made to. You will notice when they interview the guys they are in the time of their lives. They are winning not whinning and they can run to keep in tempo and a good shooting rhythm. When Jermaine is there, they don't even have a chance to shoot, old ball hog does the shooting. He is under the basket and can just put them in. Big deal. Jamaal, Troy, Mike and even Jeff are shooting threes and getting them to go in. They get more rebounds offensively as well as defensively now without Jermaine just standing there thinking, here ball come to me, Mr. Wonderful. It is PAST time to get rid of the JERK!!!
Shawn Rodgers

Roanoke, IN

#58 Nov 30, 2007
I really want to believe that and I tried to before the preseason but I think it classifies more as wishful thinking.
Paint Crew member

Metcalf, IL

#59 Nov 30, 2007
Pacer Pontiff wrote:
They're 8-8 so far, tied for 7th in the East. Granted, we're not Boston or Orlando, but seems to me they've exceeded everyone's expectations.
Some of the comments people have posted indicate a lack of awareness, in terms of how they're playing lately. Am I reading your comments wrong?
You said rooting for them blindly - what are you waiting to see? I'm not asking in sarcasm, genuine question.
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You are right. I should be more forgiving. I also have not seen or heard them win. The games I've watched or listened to were loses. I like Foster, Dunleavy & Murphy & Harrison. They seem to be good for the Pacers and the community. I guess my vision is clouded by O'Neal, Tinsley & Williams. I know that professional sports have become infiltrated with bums who are talented athletes, but I don't like routing for teams where those players have a large role. Hopefully Shawn will grow up and become as good of a citizen as he is a BB player. O'Neal is constantly hurt so what good is he? Tinsley -- isn't there a better guard out there? But -- you are still correct. The Pacers are 8 & 8. I'll try to be more positive.
Paint Crew member

Metcalf, IL

#60 Nov 30, 2007
Not sure why I said Harrison -- I meant Granger
GOPACERS

Lexington, KY

#61 Nov 30, 2007
Why is it so much pessimism by the Indy (Phoenix)Star media concerning the Pacers. Jermaine O'Neal is still a fine player and is worth big money in a trade or as a contributer to this team. Boston last year lost Paul Pierce and 19 games in a row and I don't believe they lost support.

Things are currently looking to good, because if the Pacers were like Boston last year they could get the worst record in the league and top draft positions. But guess what they don't need this because they are in a much better position than most of the teams in the NBA and will most likely make the playoffs.

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